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2009-Aug-31 4:26 pm
Won't raise your rates because they took away newsgroup svcI like this part of their Q&A on announcing the end of Newsgroup service. 4. Will this change to the newsgroup service affect my Verizon Internet service?
This change will not affect your ability to use your Verizon Internet service or other commercial newsgroup services, and there will not be any change to the price you pay for your Verizon High Speed Internet or Verizon FiOS Internet service.
The way they worded that makes it seem like they did you a favor by leaving the price for internet service alone. Though it is telling you the price won't come down. | |
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2009-Sep-1 1:44 am
Re: Won't raise your rates because they took away newsgroup svcGood. | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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2009-Sep-1 2:46 am
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Yeah, that's a laugh. It's like when a food place "doesn't charge you extra" for removing the cheese, condiments, other items they already built into the price... but they will graciously not give them to you if you ask... for no extra charge!
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2009-Aug-31 4:35 pm
It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. | |
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Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... | |
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2009-Aug-31 5:14 pm
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.There is plenty of good on usenet. It all becomes a question of costs/benefits, since probably only 2% of internet users actually know what usenet is..... and probably only half of them actually using it, it's just a money pit for most ISP's.
No one is leaving ISP's (anymore) due to the lack of usenet, because most of them have actually already cut it.
All the TEXT groups you can get through a variety of free usenet servers and Google groups.... and for BINARIES you can get a 3d party subscription, which can cost you as little as $3 for a pre-paid block of data if all you want is a few non-warez binaries now and then. | |
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Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.I disagree. I love my Thundernews usenet subscription. And at about $20 a month, you can't go wrong. | |
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said by jaminus:Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... I agree, there's nothing to see on usenet, everyone ignore and pretend its not there  | |
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2009-Sep-1 1:03 am
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.Newsgroups does suck . Let just it ignore it maybe it will go away. The weather was beautiful today, how about those bears. | |
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2009-Sep-1 7:26 am
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.Yea, nothing on those Usenet inter-tubes at all. Hey, was that a balloon I just saw go by... It looked JUST like Elvis. | |
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I'll go you one better. It doesn't even exist!
Move along noobs, nothing to see there. | |
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said by jaminus:Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... Mad Men S03E03 an hour after it airs at 30Mb/s. Totally useless. | |
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2009-Sep-1 12:53 pm
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.said by sporkme:said by jaminus:Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... Mad Men S03E03 an hour after it airs at 30Mb/s. Totally useless. sshhhhh. there's nothing to see on usenet. | |
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said by ajc18:Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. the way the system works, it can't be "shut down globally". It's actually quite efficient in that respect. Moreover, unlike SQL database forum software, social networking, etc... Usenet offers freedom from censorship thanks to the way it works. Anyone concerned with censorship should see the benefits of that. | |
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Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it?
Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! | |
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2009-Aug-31 4:52 pm
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.said by joebarnhart:Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it? Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! He would be against censorship if he advertises an uncensored bbs. What's confusing about that? | |
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said by joebarnhart:Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it? Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! "FIOS boys" can still READ all the usenet they want through a large variety of free usenet servers, and some of the free ones also allow posting. Then there is Google groups, which allows you to search through all the TEXT usenet groups available. Last but not least, one can purchase a paid account. Poor people just wanting to read usenet and post messages... really aren't getting hurt by this. Those who want to download lots of binaries though... might. | |
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2009-Aug-31 5:46 pm
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.OH NOOOOEZZZ, NOT THE PR0N AND WAREZ!!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
/sarcasm
Good riddance to bad rubbish, IMO. | |
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said by maartena:Those who want to download lots of binaries though... might. Vz along with most other major ISPs stopped providing those groups a year ago... | |
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Google doesn't carry alt.google-sucks, 0.verizon.flame and the greatest group free.boobs. | |
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said by joebarnhart:Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it? It's only censorship if someone's otherwise free speech is removed against their will. I am only asserting that the cost and effort of maintaining UseNet far exceeds any benefits it still delivers. As long as there are people out there who are willing to sift through petabytes of spam in order to get to what little actual content remains, there will be niche providers out there willing to provide the service. said by joebarnhart:Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! Really? One would think that a 25 Mbps Internet connection would be enough to visit NNTP servers all over the world all day long. | |
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Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.said by ajc18:It's only censorship if someone's otherwise free speech is removed against their will. I am only asserting that the cost and effort of maintaining UseNet far exceeds any benefits it still delivers. In all seriousness, Usenet is important precisely because it is one of the few ways to get information out in a widespread manner while maintaining anonymity. Whistleblowers, political dissidents, and conservatives (just kidding) don't have many ways to protect their identity while exposing injustice and corruption. So, yes, even though the channel is filled with a lot of chaff, it is worth protecting. It is quintessential "free speech" where anyone can say anything they want without fear of reprisal from governments. (Yes, sad to say, even ours.) | |
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2009-Sep-2 9:20 am
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.There's very little doubt that the socialist regime currently in power in the US should not be trusted. They are one scary bunch of extremists.
For the publishing of dissident speech, though, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on a Usenet server operated by The Phone Company. | |
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Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.said by ajc18:For the publishing of dissident speech, though, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on a Usenet server operated by The Phone Company. That vast majority of "Usenet servers" aren't operated by any phone company... | |
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said by ajc18:Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. No it's not. The spam portion relatively is minimal when you look at all traffic. Including binary groups, it's a multi- terabyte porn and warez/movie/music feed. | |
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Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.said by cdru:said by ajc18:Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. No it's not. The spam portion relatively is minimal when you look at all traffic. Including binary groups, it's a multi- terabyte porn and warez/movie/music feed. My NZB reader seems to insulate me from spam too... Amazing stuff. | |
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|  Z801 point 77
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2009-Aug-31 7:14 pm
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Tell that to all the people kicking down $25/mo to Giganews. | |
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said by ajc18:Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. Agreed, There are plenty of forums around to post on here on the net, I don't even use Newsgroups anymore, So I won't miss them, Will they charge Me less for DSL? I doubt It.  | |
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2009-Sep-1 7:08 am
Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway.said by zoom314:Will they charge Me less for DSL? I doubt It. Did they really charge you extra for it? Doubt it. Usenet access has almost always been a value-added service when at the ISP level. Yes there was a significant cost for the ISP to maintain the usenet server(s), but on a per subscriber basis the charge was insignifant enough that it's cost was just part of doing business. It's not all that different from personal web space, you get some but you aren't really paying extra for it. | |
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2009-Sep-1 2:48 am
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I always love it when people who don't use something decide it's useless and "don't care" if it is taken out.
That would be like me deciding that Fox News should be taken off the air simply because I "Don't care" about that network.
For many hobbyists newsgroups are still very, very useful, especially if they are archived. | |
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2009-Sep-3 10:15 am
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said by ajc18:I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. sure, like everyone in the entire world has high speed, and only surfs the web  so many people, thinking only about themselves  | |
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2009-Aug-31 4:49 pm
Third Party Newsproviders to continue...thankfully. And more often than not, third-party news providers are much, much better than what is provided by your ISP. Take your pick: Usenetserver Giganews Newshosting ...and more » Usenet FAQ | |
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Never used itI've been on the intenet for 10 years now and have never used a newsgroup. Not really sure what the purpose is for one now anyways. | |
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It's the American way!!Charge more and give less!
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Re: It's the American way!!said by qworster:Charge more and give less! It's the American way! just like walmart.  | |
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2009-Aug-31 7:13 pm
Usenet not exciting?!?Obviously they haven't seen sci.math | |
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Re: Usenet not exciting?!?You'd think they'd keep alt.cellular.verizon. Better support than their own web site. | |
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I'd sure hate to see Usenet go......even though I don't "surf" the newsgroups anymore these days unless it's a Google Groups search. I haven't posted to a Usenet group in ages. I hang out in website forums instead these days. I'd have to say that BBR has sort of replaced Usenet as far as my usage goes . Most of my usage nowadays is searches on Google Groups for help with stuff I'm working on at work (Powerbuilder, Sybase, Java, etc.) | |
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Re: I'd sure hate to see Usenet go...I use Usenet all of the time. I know there is a lot of warez and porn, but don't forget there are also 3000 plus Microsoft groups where a lot of techies help each other. Adobe also has 46 active groups and Linux has 425.
I like it because good Usenet software has a search capability so finding help about something like Excel compound interest for example is a breeze. | |
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The Web killed UsenetWhat killed Usenet is the narcissistic Internet culture. The internet culture is not about sharing information in a communal setting, , but about being seen and self. It started with the personal web page advanced to the blogs and evolved into social media like twitter and Facebook.
To create a Usenet group one had to go though a laborious process of proposal, charter, and finally a vote. Why bother with Usenet guidelines when one could have gone to Tripod or Geocities and have their own webpage. Once people realize one can get on the net on their own, the number Usenet users decreased. | |
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2009-Sep-1 5:14 am
No great lossNo great loss as far as I'm concerned. What is there on there, you can't find any where else?
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2009-Sep-1 4:13 pm
Verizon to Discontinue NewsgroupsI personally keep a Giganews 10 gig $7.99 monthly account around on the rare occasion that I use usenet, but most people will not even miss it. My 61 year old father who has a 1Mbps entry level DSL account with Verizon did not even know what usenet was, much less that it was available to him at one time. | |
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2009-Sep-1 5:29 pm
Freedoooom!!!I used to be hopelessly addicted to verizons free usenet before they took away my precious binaries. Downloading all day, every day. Spending a small fortune on blank disks so nothing went to waste. Then one day they took it all away. Look at me now, I'm free. FREE!!1111ohgodimissit | |
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2009-Sep-1 5:42 pm
its a trap!wait, I see what they are doing. You can get free tech support on usenet. Get rid of that and more people will sign up for their PREMUIM TECH SUPPORT CONVIENTLY BILLED TO Your credit card for the low low price of 14.99 us dollars a month. Who would want free when they could simply go deeper into debt! hooray! | |
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2009-Sep-3 11:13 pm
SPINcorrection, A notice to customers by Verizon informs them that the telco will be discontinuing newsgroup service as of September 30. "Newsgroups were initially developed as a text-based way to share information on the Internet," Verizon informs customers in the alert. (then it evolved into what people wanted, just like everything else)
"Today, demand for newsgroups is much lower, since most users have switched to more exciting ways of getting and sharing information via the Web, such as social networks, email and sites such as our Verizon Central Newsroom." (say WHAT? take away most of the groups, and people WILL switch to a pay newsserver, WHICH, by the way, are VERY much in demand, and have MANY thousands of users, and are doing quite well). it seems VERIZON is trying to put a spin on the situation, like people don't want to use newsgropus anymore!. | |
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