I say it's spinach
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I say it's spinach (sometimes given in full as I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it or further abbreviated to just spinach) is a twentieth-century American idiom[1] with the approximate meaning of "nonsense" or "rubbish".[2] It is usually spoken or written as an anapodoton, thus only first part of the complete phrase ("I say it's spinach") is given to imply the second part, which is what is actually meant: "I say the hell with it."
Rose and White's cartoon
Original cartoon from The New Yorker
The phrase originated as the caption of a gag cartoon published in The New Yorker on December 8, 1928. Drawn by Carl Rose and captioned by E. B. White,[3] the cartoon shows a mother at table trying to convince her young daughter to eat her vegetable, the dialogue being
Mother: "It's broccoli, dear."
Daughter: "I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it."
(Broccoli was a relative novelty at that time, just then being widely introduced by Italian immigrant growers to the tables of East Coast cities.[4])
Catching on in the 1930s
The line was reused (with slight alteration) by writer David Plotkin and artist Otto Soglow in this cartoon for the 1934 book Wasn't the Depression Terrible?
What White called "the spinach joke"[5] quickly became one of the New Yorker cartoon captions to enter the vernacular (later examples include Peter Arno's "Back to the drawing board!" and Peter Steiner's "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"), becoming a bon mot of the 1930s, with continued, though diminishing, use into the early 21st century.[6] For instance, Alexander Woolcott in his 1934 collection While Rome Burns: "This eruption of reticence... will, I am sure, be described by certain temperaments as an exercise in good taste. I do not myself so regard it. I say it's spinach.")[7] At the first awards ceremony of the New York Drama Critics' Circle in 1936, Percy Hammond of the New York Herald Tribune gave a speech dissenting from the choice of Maxwell Anderson's Winterset as the Best Play winner, calling it "spinach, and I say to hell with it." [8] Elizabeth Hawles titled her 1938 autobiographical critique and exposé of the fashion industry Fashion is Spinach and made her meaning clear by reproducing Rose and White's cartoon following the title page.[9] S. J. Perelman titled a 1944 story for the Saturday Evening Post "Dental or Mental, I Say It’s Spinach".[10]
Berlin's song
Irving Berlin's song "I Say It's Spinach (And the Hell with It)", which appeared in the 1932 musical Face the Music, used the full phrase: "Long as I'm yours, long as you're mine/Long as there's love and a moon to shine/I say it's spinach and the hell with it/The hell with it, that's all!".[11]
Gammon and spinach
In Britain in the 19th century, "spinach" also meant "nonsense". This is presumably coincidence, with an entirely different origin for the 19th century meaning. Dickens uses the phrase "gammon and spinach" in this sense with Miss Mowcher in David Copperfield (published in 1849) saying "What a world of gammon and spinnage it is though, ain't it!"[12] ("spinnage" being a now-obsolete variant of "spinach").[13] The same phrase, although with unclear meaning, is also seen in the nursery rhyme "A Frog He Would A-Wooing Go" ("With a rowley, powley, gammon and spinach/heigh ho! says Anthony Rowley").[14] The 1989 second edition of the Oxford English Dictionary lists these two close senses as letters below the same number in the entry for "spinach".[15][better source needed]Cassell's Dictionary of Slang gives just the American sense (but listed as extant 1900–1950)[16] while conversely Partridge gives only the British, perhaps echoing the first edition of the Oxford English Dictionary which also does so.[15][better source needed]
  1. ^ "The Press: I Say It's Spinach". Time. October 22, 1951. Retrieved February 1, 2014. Many a New Yorkerism (e.g., Cartoonist Carl Rose's 'I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it') has become a part of the language.
  2. ^ Douglas Harper. "spinach (n.)". Online Etymology Dictionary. Retrieved February 2, 2014.
  3. ^ Kimble Mead (February 22, 1981). "Haigravations". On Language column New York Times Magazine. Retrieved February 1, 2014.
  4. ^ Denker, Joel (2003). The World on a Plate. University of Nebraska Press. pp. 8–10. ISBN 978-0-8032-6014-6. Retrieved 24 April 2012.
  5. ^ White, E. B. (1978). Letters of E. B. White. Harpercollins. p. 149. ISBN 978-0060906061. Retrieved February 1, 2014.
  6. ^ "Ngram Viewer". Google Books. Retrieved February 1, 2014.
  7. ^ Woollcott, Alexander (1934). While Rome Burns. Grosset and Dunlap. ASIN B000E9J0K8.
  8. ^ Atkinson, Brooks (1974). Broadway. Macmillan. ISBN 0-87910-047-8.
  9. ^ Hawes, Elizabeth (1938). Fashion is Spinach. Random House. ISBN 9781171855460. Retrieved February 2, 2014.
  10. ^ Phil Stephensen-Payne. "The Saturday Evening Post [May 27, 1944]". The FictionMags Index. Retrieved February 4, 2014.
  11. ^ "Berlin Irving - I Say It's Spinach (And The Hell With It) Lyrics". SongLyrics. Retrieved February 2, 2014.
  12. ^ Dickens, Charles (1849). The Personal History, Adventures, Experience, and Observation of David Copperfield the Younger. B. Tauchnitz. p. 107. Retrieved February 1, 2014.
  13. ^ cf. Tryon, Thomas (1691). Wisdom's Dictates. p. 144. Spinnage boiled, or stewed, and buttered and eaten with Bread, makes a brave cleansing Food... (p. 134 in the 1696 edition)
  14. ^ Opie, Iona; Opie, Peter, eds. (1998). The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes (Revised 2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 208. ISBN 978-0198600886.
  15. ^ a b MMcM (September 23, 2007). "Kookoo". Polyglot Vegetarian. Retrieved February 2, 2014.
  16. ^ Green, Jonathon (1998). Cassell's Dictionary of Slang. Sterling Publishing Company. p. 1342. ISBN 978-0304351671. Retrieved February 2, 2014.
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