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* NFCC#8 is a two-pronged test. One part is to show that the reader's understanding is improved with the presence of the image - this test nearly always is easy to demonstrate. The test that is harder to show is the second part : that the reader's understanding would be harmed with the absence of the image. In the past, the average use of a random screenshot frm a TV episode in the infobox just to serve to identify the episode has been rejected because this fails the second test; most episodes can be understood without the use of such a screenshot. However, in cases where there ''are'' specific scenes that have been critically discussed ''and'' where the visuals would be helpful, then we would allow those screenshots. For example as a positive example, the screenshot used in [[Worlds Apart (Fringe)]] is of such a case. Now while I can't speak that well to the Wire as to specific scenes, I can speak to Better Call Saul and question the choices there. Eg to pick one, [[Bad Choice Road]] is not a scene discussed in depth in comparison to the confrontation later in Kim's apartment, and while as a editor looking for a visually stimulating image, that image you uploaded is more interesting than three people standing in an apartment, it fails NFCC#8 because that scene is not a subject of discussion and fails the second test of NFCC#8. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
:* {{re|LJF2019}} The images in each article NEED to pass NFCC#8 – if the image was removed and it wouldn't affect a reader, it shouldn't be added. Describing it here won't do, and should be explained in the article in length. Take the image for "[[Full Measure (Breaking Bad)|Full Measure]]", where the scene was analyzed by critics for its significance on the character development of [[Jesse Pinkman]]. Or the one for "[[Face Off (Breaking Bad)|Face Off]]", where the visual effects on the death of [[Gus Fring]] earned the episode an Emmy. For "[[Chicanery (Better Call Saul)|Chicanery]]", an image is not necessary. For #1, an image of [[Michael McKean]] is already provided and can be used to state that his performance was praised. The excuse that it helps readers know what episode they're reading about is not a reason to include it. Articles with unnecessary images include "[[Gray Matter (Breaking Bad)|Gray Matter]]", "[[Seven Thirty-Seven]]", "[[Down (Breaking Bad)|Down]]", "[[Over (Breaking Bad)|Over]]", "[[I.F.T. (Breaking Bad)|I.F.T.]]", "[[Más (Breaking Bad)|Más]]", "[[Sunset (Breaking Bad)|Sunset]]", "[[Kafkaesque (Breaking Bad)|Kafkaesque]]", "[[Fly (Breaking Bad)|Fly]]", "[[Abiquiu (Breaking Bad)|Abiquiu]]", "[[Open House (Breaking Bad)|Open House]]", "[[Shotgun (Breaking Bad)|Shotgun]]", and "[[End Times (Breaking Bad)|End Times]]". The plot section can explain in detail a pivotal scene and if an actor's performance was praised, a free image of them can be provided instead. [[User:Some Dude From North Carolina|Some Dude From North Carolina]] ([[User talk:Some Dude From North Carolina|talk]]) 01:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Some Dude From North Carolina}} Describing it here won’t do? I’m quite literally copying and pasting content FROM THE ARTICLE into this discussion. Most of the images I’ve provided are from those scenes, and you conveniently chose the Chicanery picture as a perfect example. The picture is from the courtroom hearing and I copied and pasted content from the article describing that scene.
Yes, of course they NEED to pass NFCC#8. My argument is that they DO, even if it’s at the very minimum. I can make an argument that your removal of the image from the Smoke episode of Better Call Saul greatly detracted from my understanding of the episode. Having that image there allows me to easily identify which episode that was. “Ah yes, that’s the one where Jimmy’s at the church after Chuck dies”. Instead, after you removed it, I have to read the plot to figure out which one that is. I’m the only person speaking up about this, but like I said, the other 99% of people are lurkers/readers who are following the list of episodes as they watch the series. There is more than enough rationale for these images to stay. [[User:LJF2019|<b><i><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px darkgray;"><span style="color:#0000A0">LJF2019</span></span></i></b>]] [[User talk:LJF2019|<sup><i><span style="color:#2C3539">talk</span></i></sup>]] 01:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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