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:::What's the date when this was considered to have been "lawfully made available to the public"?
::::Dear Nikkimaria you talk far over my head. You said "needs a US tag". I was wildly trying to guess what that implies and did not and still do not understand. I thought I must throw in a tag starting with PD-US and did not understand that {{tl|PD-US-expired}} is not the right one for the case because it requires a pre-1927 publication date and that is why you ask me for a publication date which confused me even further. The painting is poor quality and was probably first published with the opening of the Hunt Museum in Limerick, Ireland in 1997. I took this image from the museum's website and uploaded it using the upload wizard provided in Wikimedia Commons, choosing the option "Faithful reproduction of a painting in the public domain because the author died more than 70 years ago". This option seems to be have resulted in the copyright tag {{tl|PD-Art|PD-old-70}}. How can this be wrong or insufficient? I still do not understand why a "US tag" is needed and what that could be. With apologies and thanks, best regards, [[User:Johannes Schade|Johannes Schade]] ([[User talk:Johannes Schade|talk]]) 21:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::Okay, here's a brief explanation and if anything's unclear please ask. Under US law copying a two-dimensional image - for example, taking a photograph of a painting - does not result in a new copyright. This is what PD-Art means - as long as the original painting is in the public domain in the US, then the photograph is also in the public domain in the US. ''However'', we still need to have a tag reflecting why the original painting is in the public domain in the US. The PD-old-70 tag covers countries where works enter the public domain 70 years after the death of the author, but the US is not one of those countries, so this tag doesn't cover US status of the painting either. PD-US-expired is a US tag, but we need to determine whether that tag applies to this particular image by determining when this was published - that term has [https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq-definitions.html a technical meaning in US law] that might not be what you expect with regards to paintings. If we can confirm that it was published by that definition before 1927 then this tag is fine. The same for below - if for example Ormond's portrait was not published until 1983, then PD-US-expired would not be a correct tag for that image. There is a list of US tag [[:commons:Commons:Copyright_tags/Country-specific_tags#United_States_of_America|here]] that might help. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 03:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
::File (2) ''Van_dyck_thomas_wentworth_earl_of_strafford_with_sir_philip_mainwaring_1639-40.jpg'' – I added the tags {{tl|PD-US-expired}} and {{tl|PD-UK-unknown}}. The painting was uploaded by [[user:Daverdis]] and is in private collection, I suppose in the UK.
:::Er, there is an artist named in the description, why would this be considered UK-unknown? If this is in a private collection, when was it made available to the public? [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 03:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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