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Removing link(s) to "User:Koavf": I am Justin Anthony Knapp (koavf), a Wikipedian from Indianapolis, Indiana, USA. I'm a life-long Hoosier, and attended Covenant Christian High School; upon graduating, I worked there as a tutor and teachers' assistant...
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::::::: This article and the "free zone" one go hand in hand. No problem with me to remove both and integrate the text to Western Sahara article.--[[User:A Jalil|A Jalil]] 13:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::'''Fine by me''' But I'm afraid it might bloat the Western Sahara article. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 15:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 
== Edit Warring Again ==
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: There are thousands of references on the web for the "Algeria-backed" Polisario front. He does not want it mentionned. Why? Nobody knows.--[[User:A Jalil|A Jalil]] 20:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Okay, what I would like is a proper convo. Eh? Now and again he has a point, and if he'd learn to be less partisan (but then wikima could learn to be so as well, although he's rather better), whatever the ridiculous over-exposure of W. Sahara, at least the arties would be quality. [[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] 20:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC).
:::'''Fire away''' I'd be happy to talk; I post on talk far more often than does Jalil in our little disputes. Jalil, saying that "X is mentioned everywhere thousands of times" and "no one knows about X" certainly seem contradictory. I would be opposed to you constantly mentioning that Polisario is "Algeria-backed" just like you would be opposed to me constantly mentioning how the Sahara is occupied; it's a [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=pleonasm pleonasm] that is often irrelevant to the substance of the article in order to push a POV. It is not necessary to mention in every instance that Polisario are "Algeria-backed" (whatever that means), nor is it necessary in every instance to mention that the Sahara is occupied. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 15:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Well, the issue of constant insertion is a very fair point and I think Jalil should have to grant it - Algeria backed however is clear, Polisario is clearly a creature of Algeria in most respects. That's what happens when you're stuck on another nation's soil and it's a dictatorship. The volte-face on Baker II amply illustrates. Nevertheless, I agree, inserting the reference everywhere is abusive. [[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] 12:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC).
::::: Lehbib Ayoub, the hero of the war during 17 years, when he heard that Abdelaziz Bouteflika has proposed a divisuion of the territory in response to the Baker II plan, he (Ayoub) went to Mohammed Abdelaziz and asked explanations of what he heard. He expected anger and refusal from Abdelaziz to Algeria's proposal, but to his surprise, Mohammed Abdelaziz replied that he can't protest anything Algeria does or says. That was enough for the hero to go back to Morocco. By the way, "The Algeria-backed" is not inserted everytime the Polisario is mentioned.--[[User:A Jalil|A Jalil]] 13:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Leaving aside the Algeria issue, I edited the arty, and frankly in this instance mention of Algeria makes much sense, as objectively Polisario needed Algerian backing to maintain itself. I rephrased however to work towards more editorially neutral lang. [[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] 13:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC).
:::::::'''Great''' Your edits here and at the SADR article make a lot of sense and are a good middle-of-the-road effort. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 
::::::::: Presuming you're not being facetious, I merely note that having a fairly deep familiarity with the area due to business, my greatest concern is to have balanced and rational articles. Party political partisan rubbish isn't useful to me. [[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] 18:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::'''Not at all''' No, I was being completely sincere; I have no reason to think that you have a particular agenda, and I generally trust the claims you make about your business background and familiarity with the region. I was stating an honest opinion about the quality of the edit and I don't see any need for edit-warring on this page. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 18:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Fair enough mate, and very sporting as well. [[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] 19:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)