Talk:Brass knuckles

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Might be a good idea to collect the mentioning in literature. Terry Pratchett is referring to them a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.233.92.234 (talk) 23:32, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Removed cleanup tag Storm63640 17:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be useful here to have a list of countries where they are legal/illegal. --User:Jorvis 03:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah if anyone knows, that would be helpful. User:Fre_k

Brass knuckles can be legally purchased by 16+ youths with an authorisation from their parents in France, and without authorisation for 18+ individuals. Apparently they are sold as self-defense weapons.--91.177.229.99 (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

--Someone replaced every instance of the word Knuckles with the word "kock". I don't know if that's some kind of slang or someone who can't spell but it broke the images. Changed it back. 216.176.105.92 20:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Innacuracy

The desription of the Bagh nakh is innacurate. While it is popularly portrayed as being used outside the fist, it is actually used in an open-handed slapping motion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 01:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

BEYOND COMMON KNOWLEDGE..THE SO CALLED DUSTERS OR BRASS KNUCKLES ARE ONE OF THE OLDEST WEAPONS IN HUMAN HISTORY..IT CAN BE BASICALLY FOUND IN ITS COUNTRY OF ORIGIN INDIA,BUT IT CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN EGYPT,PERSIA,AFRICA (KAO PEOPLE) AND SOME INCA-MAYAN ORIGIN COUNTRIES ETC IT CAN BE MADE OF METAL OR BONE,WOOD,ROPE,EVEN WITH A CLOTH THAT HAS BEEN IMMERSED IN EGG WHITE WITH POWDERED GLASS..ETC IT IS A TYPICAL WEAPON USED IN ANCIENT WRESTLING MATCHES (VAJRAMUSHTI,LOH MUSHTI,BAGHNAKA KA MUSHTI ETC) THE MATCHES WERE BASICALLY ORGANISED TO SEE WHO WERE THE BRAVEST AND MOST AGILE WRESTLERS THAT COULD BE CHOSEN TO BECOME PERSONAL GUARDIANS OF THE LOCAL RULERS BUT IN ITS ORIGINAL BACK ROUND AS A FIGHTING INSTRUMENT,WAS ACTUALLY A RITUALISTIC WEAPON THAT REPRESENTED THE THUNDERBOLT (INDRA'S WEAPON) IT HAD MANY SHAPES,FROM TWO POINTED EDGE TO A CIRCLE OR A MULTIPLE EDGE EVEN WITH A SERPENT STYLE BLADE AS A TAIL..BUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF ITS USE WAS ALL RELATED TO A SPIRITUAL EVOLUTIONARY DISCIPLINE THAT HAD THE PURPOSE OF USING 'VIOLENCE' AS A FORM OF ENERGY THAT HAD TO BE TAMED AND TRANSFORMED IN TO MEDICINE..AS OLD AS THE RIG-VEDA IN WHICH MENTIONS OF THE ART ARE PRESENT.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JO AZER (talk • contribs) 21:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Size & Legality

"In most countries, the possession, let alone use, of brass knuckles is illegal. Recently, brass knuckles have been sold on the Internet and in regular shops as novelties, although whether or not they are used as novelties is open to debate." Possession is a hard law once enacted in regards to enforcement. Actually I am looking for help in regards to this. have heard old stories when younger (today the term might be urban legend), that the laws consider something above a certain weight in hand/ on fingers if involved in a fight would result in a legal carge regarding illegal weapon. The statement stated wieght limit was 100 grams, and some university class rights are only slightly smaller than this limit. Also as a American, such a law if it exist would be more a local law, only a state or local/(county or city) law These would be a long list from above. Wfoj2 (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The section really needs some work. The switchblade article has a very well done section in that regard. We could pattern this articles section accordingly. Surv1v4l1st ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I also took issue with the legality section, particularly the "In the USA all arms are constitutionally legal in all states" segment, being that it is at least misleading and at worst completely inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.101.128 (talk) 04:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

AS FOR LEGAL OR ILLEGAL USE,,IT IS THE HUMAN MIND THAT IS DANGEROUS WHEN NOT PROPERLY TAMED..IF ON HAS ILL INTENTIONS HE CAN MAKE WEAPONS OUT OF ALMOST ANYTHING EVEN A PIECE OF PAPER OR A NEW BANK NOTE,A PENCIL OR SOME COINS ETC ETC THE FEAR OF AUTHORITIES IS OF NOT HAVING PROPER KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ILL INTENTION MINDS BECAUSE HUMAN SOCIETIES HAVE BECOME A GHETTO OF I WANT THIS OR THAT TO HAVE BRASS KNUCKLES OR A KNIFE DOES NOT MAKE A MAN MORE DANGEROUS THAN A LAWYER WITH A PEN..IT ALSO MUST BE SAID THAT HAVING DOES NOT MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE IT..FOR MOST WEAPONS THE NEED OF HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE IN USING AND SCRUPLES WILL ALWAYS BE PRESENT ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JO AZER (talk • contribs) 21:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

their danger is exaggerated

168.103.91.113 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Knucks...?

Are they really referred to as such? It just sounds so...stupid, I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.95.247.110 (talk) 01:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, do you really need to mark everything as original research? I somehow doubt we need references to prove that brass knuckles with spikes or blades on them will cut people.

ADD, I just wanted to say I don't know how to create a new page for my own comment so I am editing this page to add a coment. I recently found out these are not legal in oregon however are ok to have one in your home as a paper weight. Otherwise they are not legal. Sorry for editing your page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.92.3 (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

What, so if the police search your home in Oregon and find knuckle-dusters which are not being used to weigh down paper, then you are guilty of a crime? What if they are being used to weigh down card? Does the judge have to decide what counts as 'paper', or is there an accepted legal definition? Nicander (talk) 10:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

"Citation needed"

All of the "citation needed" and "original research?" tags make the article WORSE, not better. Yeah, some of that stuff should be cited; but if you're tagging it just because you can, even though it doesn't help the article, then you're going against the spirit of the law. It's called Wiki-lawyering. WP:WL (example #2). Tragic romance (talk) 11:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, they do need to be cited, I wasn't tagging them because I "could." If people think they make the article worse, the correct response is to find something to support those statements, not to complain about it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

As for "making the article worse".... what makes an article bad is people writing a bunch of junk without citing any sources. Don't shoot the messenger here; I'm not the one who wrote a bad article to begin with. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Do we *really* need a "researched source" to tell us that spikes can tear skin and shred tissue? Are you freakin' serious? Maybe we should cite for "original research" to determine if cats actually tear up curtains, if dogs actually bark, if rain will get you wet... You see where I'm going with this? It's common knowledge that a sharp spike punched or sliced into you will tear your skin, you don't need to cite very sentence just because you can. Good grief. Also, if you need "to find something to support these statements", get me some spiked knuckles and I'll show you how they work, sound good? Seriously, do you really need "original research" for that? It's common knowledge and sense, don't be a tool about it. Again, do you also need to cite a page and have them present a scientific study showing that dogs bark before they're allowed to present that information on Wikipedia? Give me a break. 72.161.72.92 (talk) 07:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, your use of the knuckle-duster on someone's face would be regarded as 'original research' and therefore inadmissible. Nicander (talk) 09:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Brass Knuckles in Fashion

I left a reference here to brass knuckle sightings on designers from Chanel to Forever 21 and Wikipedia removed the link as spam and asked me to make a case for the reference here on the talk forums.

I think it's a pretty clear fit so I don't have a lot to say.

Wikipedia regularly references where entries fit in pop culture. I see no reason not to mention this interesting tie. Brass knuckles as a fashion statement, lame or cool, is relevant and was a massive trend in jewelry when I posted the link and reference.

I recommend they add back what I originally did myself:

Brass knuckles have been used in fashion, influencing designers such as Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel and Forever 21.

Brass knuckle rings for spring 2010 http://www.thedailytruffle.com/2010/06/brass-knuckle-rings-for-spring-2010/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.144.98.89 (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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Legality in the UK

The article states that knuckle dusters are 'illegal' in the UK. I'm not a legal expert, but I'm pretty sure that they fall under the various (very sweeping) Offensive Weapons acts, which make it an offence to possess practically anything which can be used as an offensive weapon in a public place. I'm sure I've seen them on sale in specialist shops. People have been successfully prosecuted for carrying things like screwdrivers under this legislation, and screwdrivers certainly aren't 'illegal'. Can an expert editor clarify this? --Ef80 (talk) 11:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I am not a lawyer, but two factors that enter into it are: circumstances, and intent. If you are a chef heading to your first day of work, and police stop you with a securely tied up roll of 10 kitchen knives in your bag, then you have a reasonable and lawful purpose to be carrying knives. If however, you are heading out to the pub at 10pm on a friday, and you have a knife in your coat pocket, then that is an entirely different story. Same thing with screwdrivers and other potentially offensive weapons. Carrying a stick of wood home from the garden centre is different to taking a baseball bat to a nightclub, or being arrested with one in your hand after a fight, and the law recognises that. 188.220.45.209 (talk) 09:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Clarification

Brass knuckles or at least a early concept of it have been used in India long before the 19th century.

http://www.grapplearts.com/Ancient-Vale-Tudo.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.207.31 (talk) 01:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

fist of dimes/hand weights

wondering if its worth adding a paragraph or two about a simular and equally as ancient weapon. i do not know its offical name if it has one bust essentially its principal was a small metal bar or simular that the fist wraps around, usually hiding, which increase the kinetic force of a punch. this is commonly replicated in street fights with rolls of pennies or other coin based currency. it has even become so well known that major league boxers will check a boxers gloves before and immediatly after a fight to make sure somehting simular was not snuck into the glove. this last exampelw as even replicated ina CSI episode where a fightr used an ice fist weight.

if anyone knows item i am referring to pelase let me know so we can add a line or if it exists in wiki already can we please add a see also link?152.91.9.153 (talk) 05:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

With a source connecting the two, it might merit a very brief mention. Why only a brief mention? Brass knuckles work by concentrating the force of the punch onto a smaller, less-flexible surface (similar to a hammer and nail focusing the force from your hand onto the smaller, less-flexible point of the nail). A roll of coins in your fist, OTOH, does not focus the force (it's still your relatively squishy fingers hitting the target). The two additions to fists are related only in the sense that they are additions to fists in fights.

(Off-topic aside: The bit about "increas(ing) the kinetic force" is absurd. Force = mass x acceleration. Adding weight to your hand will result in a slower -- but equally forceful -- punch, unless you somehow add additional energy to the equation. As your muscles are the only source of energy -- with or without the coins -- the force remains the same.) - SummerPhD (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I suspect User:152.91.9.153 is talking about the same thing as Straight Dope: "Is it true that a roll of dimes or nickles can protect your hand in a fight?". The Millwall brick article has a reference to coins that is too vague for me to tell if it's the same thing, or something else entirely.

I agree that the name of the "roll of coins" thing should be mentioned in this article. What name are they called? What other Wikipedia article talks about them?

(Off-topic: SummerPhD, it's not as absurd as you might think. People do, in fact, use heavy lump hammers and sledgehammers for various tasks, powered solely by the energy of their muscles. Why don't they use much smaller, more convenient hammers to apply the same amount of muscle energy into whatever it is they hit with those hammers?) :--70.177.113.174 (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

A sledge hammer is on the order of ten times as massive as a standard claw hammer. Recoil is a significant factor: a small hammer bouncing off a surface will impart significantly less energy on the target than a more massive one. (That the stroke is generally downward certainly helps, as acceleration due to gravity adds to the force.)

Would you rather crash headlong into a large truck or a small car going the same speed? The car, obviously. How did the truck end up with more energy? By accelerating a larger mass, which took more energy (thus the lower gas mileage with a larger engine). Adding coins to your hand changes the mass of your hand, but does not increase your ability to accelerate it. It's like loading down a car with bricks: it will reduce acceleration.

The roll of coins does not add energy to the situation, it just makes the collision less elastic.

We're still waaaaaaay off topic. We can only say in this article what reliable sources have to say about brass knuckles, the topic of this article. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, you've never been in a fight.

"The roll of coins does not add energy to the situation, it just makes the collision less elastic."

That's what happens. It imparts more of the energy from the blow into the target rather than wasting it on the rebound. 2601:40D:4300:6F60:F4CE:7745:254C:F1F8 (talk) 16:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Imagery

If someone could provide imagery of the "knuckle knives" or the "death's head" brass knuckles described, it would be appreciated. I'd conduct a search myself, except that the computers I'm limited to using have restrictions that prevent me from doing so. Appreciate the assist. JRodriguez1974 (talk) 12:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Claimed illegality in France for over 20 years

That is plain wrong. Read the French translated version of this page. They have always been legal, and now wholly unrestricted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.134.220.119 (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Alias

Could we add "United Airlines amenity" as an alias? It seems appropriate. :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.135.145 (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

List of States approved in USA

Hello, how would one go about adding a list format to show the states that brass knuckles are legal or legal with permit? PaducahKing (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

“Punch” Inaccuracy

“…preserve and concentrate a punch's force…” “Punch’s” cannot be used here as a punch is a striking blow with the fist, and when using brass knuckles you do not strike with the fist, you strike with the brass knuckles. 2600:8805:704:8900:A4C7:5680:5748:F056 (talk) 08:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)