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On 12 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from C. J. Cochran to CJ Cochran. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 12 May 2021 edit

Latest comment: 2 years ago12 comments9 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 08:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

C. J. Cochran → CJ Cochran – "CJ" is the spelling preferred by the man himself (based on his Twitter and Instagram accounts) and used in an overwhelming majority of reliable sources (just google him; USLC, Fresno Bee, MLS, etc). Based on MOS:INITIALS, this means "CJ" is the spelling we should use. Our current spelling, "C. J.", is not used by any other sources that I've seen, though "C.J." does get some use (The Oklahoman, Nashville Post, etc). IagoQnsi (talk) 17:38, 12 May 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 13:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Weak oppose: The fact that he doesn't use dots on his social media accounts doesn't mean he has expressed a strong preference or gets offended if people use dots. As far as I know, we don't have any sources that report that he really cares about the question. Moreover, "C. J." and "CJ" are not different "spelling" – they are merely different punctuation. ESPN and the Silverbacks use "C.J." They probably just use the same style for everyone based on their own internal style guide, like Wikipedia does (with a slightly different style guide). Soccerway just uses "C." This is not a situation where "an overwhelming majority of reliable sources use" the "CJ" form, so MOS:INITIALS advises to use "C. J." In fact I haven't found any sources that are cited in the article that use "CJ" consistently. (I think there's one that has it in its headline but uses "C.J." below in the same article. — BarrelProof (talk) 01:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 21:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Support per nom, more sources seem to use 'CJ' and that is also reflected in his social media presence. Giant Snowman 21:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oppose. Purely a stylistic issue. Our house style is to use the spaces and full stops. Consistency is always best. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Support. Our "house style" should be to follow usage in reliable sources. If it's "to use the space and full stops" independent of usage in sources, then I call WP:IAR. We should not be giving our readers the wrong impression about anything, including style most commonly used in sources for a given name. --В²C ☎ 23:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Did you see the comment above that says that I didn't find any sources cited in the article that use the proposed styling? It seems like you may not have noticed that. After a more thorough review, I found two, but it's definitely a minority, not consistent usage (and I suspect an even lower percentage for independent reliable sources). If you believe in following reliable sources, I think you should not like this proposed move. — BarrelProof (talk) 01:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes I missed that. Went by nom claim. However, majority of sources I find via Google news search use CJ. [1] [2] [3] [4]. —В²C ☎ 19:47, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Support Our style guide directs us to defer to usage in the overwhelming majority of reliable sources, particularly when it is consistent with as used by the subject.--Yaksar (let's chat) 13:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Support. Noting his full name from the lead sentence is Carl Howard "C. J." Cochran, Jr. it's not clear what the J. is an abbreviation for. Perhaps "CJ" stands for "Cochran Junior" in which case I think omitting the dots is helpful for not implying his middle name begins with a "J". "Cochran Junior Cochran" is kind of redundant, and conventionally Junior is abbreviated as Jr. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

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