Talk:Candle

Picture

There are no pictures of standard tall thin tapers. This should be fixed. —Ben FrantzDale (talk) 16:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Image has been added. --SpiritedMichelle (talk) 03:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Heat Characteristics Inconsistency

Under the characteristics section, one portion mentions that a candle emits 80 watts of heat typically while later on, the article mentions 50 BTU which translates roughly to 14.7 watts. This should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamthemik3 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Torbanite

A type of oil shale i.e. torbanite has been heard of as being used as a taper/candle light source directly. They said it was used to light an inn at Hartley Vale, NSW. Was there a special holder and how does it compare for light output? The book 'The Burning Mists of Time' written about mining at Katoomba, NSW may have more on this. SignedJohnsonL623 (talk) 05:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Candle clock in coal mines

This has had a {{cn}} flag since December 2011. With the history of coal mine explosions caused by naked flames, and the drive throughout the 19thC to eradicate flames, it is highly unlikely that candle clocks were used in collieries in the 20thC. I cannot believe that the legislative or regulatory framework would permit such a thing in the developed world. The main page Candle clock makes no reference to this practice. If anyone can come up with a reliable citation I would be very interested to see it, and the statement could (only then) be re-instated. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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A candle is still a candle even if the wick is not ignited

Recently we have had editors saying "a candle must contain a wick that is ignited" I can't find a source anywhere defining a candle that way. whether the wick is ignited or not doesn't determine if something is or isn't a candle. Bryce Carmony (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

The problem here is purely your own incorrect interpretation of what is quite clear phrasing in the article lede. There is not or has there been any mention of a candle not being a candle if it is not lit. Common-sense should tell you that if a block of wax contains a wick then it is most likely to be a candle of some description. However your persistence in changing the wording ' is ignited ' to ' ignites ' is a problem. That wording gives the impression it self ignites, whereas it requires the action of a person, mechanical or electrical device to light one. Note that more than one editor has reverted your usage of that phrasing. Richard Harvey (talk) 06:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

You claim that it is "common sense" that people know it's a candle even when unlit ( despite wikipedia saying that being lit is a criteria) but you're telling me that people are too dumb to know that something that ignites may or may not be self igniting? if someone dies do you think "oh it must have died itself" Find a source or stop your vandalism.Bryce Carmony (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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First contribution, reverted as soon as i could turn around - Reason - "really not necessary". Who decides necessary information or not? , i get it if its half a page of bad content, but a table 5 x 7, explaining the process of the fire of a candle (might be interested to people who actually want to know, including myself)

There should really be a confirmed/approved information button after by "beta" displaying information for 1000 user veiws, or so. "With question did you find it useful". Everything that was not under "abstract" category.

My contribution, starts and ends at the first post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagert3 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2021

Symbolism

"A candle symbolizes light in the darkness. A candle represents the element of fire as a benevolent force, made even more powerful if the candle is made of wax" because wax is made by bees who represent teamwork, hard work, and sacrifice.

"'Lamp' is derived from the Greek root meaning to give light, shine, beam, be bright, brilliant, radiant. Circumscribing its illumination of darkness, lamp has been associated with consciousness, life, hope, freedom, creativity, the sacred and divine, death and rebirth." Cmsmith93 (talk) 01:34, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

References

I'm assuming the edit request consists of adding the above as a new section (or subsection) to the article.

This proposed addition is based on what amount to WP:Primary sources. For a section on "Symbolism" to be a good addition to the article, it would be best to have a general summary of how candles are symbolic, citing a source that covers this in such a general subject. Is there something like that we can use? --A D Monroe III^(talk) 02:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I love the symbolism of a candle so I wish I could give a general summary, but I'm no symbolism expert so I didn't want to try and pretend as if I really understood what I was talking about. Should I still just go for it or should I try to find an expert, like some professor? Cmsmith93 (talk)

Wikipedia relies on authoritative sources that can be cited, not talks with experts. If there's some books, articles, or other media that covers the subject of the symbolism of candles well, we can summarize what they say to add to the article. Without that, we can't add it to the article. See WP:V. --A D Monroe III^(talk) 23:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I understand what you're looking for. You want me to summarize/paraphrase those sections from those sources and then cite those books? Cmsmith93 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Mostly, yes. But, as stated, the sources presented so far aren't really suitable, per WP:PRIMARY. WP is built mainly from authoritative secondary sources that interpret the primary sources for us, thus avoiding editors creating content via their own WP:Synthesis and WP:Original Research, which cannot be verified by our readers, so does not belong in WP.

Although I agree there is such a thing as the symbolism of candles, I don't know if suitable secondary sources exist for it to make it work in WP; it sounds largely subjective, so may not be a coherent field of study. As a similar example, the symbolism of light bulbs is likely a thing, but AFAIK not a field of study that authorities write about.

You can indeed just "go for it", as supported by WP:BOLD, but with some questions already raised here, I think it will save time and effort if you first find some sources that might work better, then present them here so we can discuss before going further. --A D Monroe III^(talk) 02:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Damn. I'm honestly not sure what kind of source you're looking for. These aren't good enough... Hmm should I ask a symbolism professor what they would use for a textbook and then cite from that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsmith93 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

That could work. --A D Monroe III^(talk) 20:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2021

2601:58D:200:1700:B579:B7F3:D6B9:9E00 (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

a candle is a wick

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Origin of Wax Candles

The article gives only the following as the origin of candles:

    Romans began making true dipped candles from tallow, beginning around 500 BC.[5] 

The seems to ignore the much earlier candles described in other sources. For example:

    
    Candles have been used as a source of light and to illuminate celebrations for more than 5,000 years, yet little is known about their origin.
    While the Egyptians were using wicked candles in 3,000 B.C., the ancient Romans are generally credited with developing the wicked candle before that time by dipping rolled papyrus repeatedly in melted tallow or beeswax. 

I request that someone will add the additional early origin information to the article. BHBloom (talk) 20:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

BHBloom, that statement cannot possibly be accurate since Ancient Rome only goes back 2800 years whereas Ancient Egypt goes back 5000 years. Cullen328 (talk) 20:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Candle wax

Observations during heating 41.113.195.31 (talk) 16:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Oldest surviving candle?

The article states: The earliest surviving candles originated in Han China around 200 BC. These early Chinese candles were made from whale fat.

But when you look up the linked source, then actually that's not what is claimed there. Also they provide no evidence themselves.--213.142.96.51 (talk) 08:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2024

Where the content says:

Candles can also be made from microcrystalline wax, beeswax (a byproduct of honey collection), gel (a mixture of polymer and mineral oil),[26] or some plant waxes (generally palm, carnauba, bayberry, or soybean wax).

The change Iam requesting is:

Candles can also be made from microcrystalline wax, beeswax (a byproduct of honey collection), gel (a mixture of polymer and mineral oil),[26] or some plant waxes (generally palm, carnauba, bayberry,Rapeseed Waxhttps://auracyprus.com/blogs/news/auras-candles-rapeseed-wax-vs-beeswax-embracing-eco-friendly-illumination or soybean wax).

Also talking about purity: https://auracyprus.com/blogs/news/understanding-the-purity-of-rapeseed-wax-candles-a-guide-to-safe-and-eco-friendly-burning Aurasworkshop (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Personal blogs are not reliable per WP:SELFPUBLISH. Shadow311 (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Butts

Butts are big 68.2.234.36 (talk) 23:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Roboticks

My group name is candle 2600:100C:B28E:6941:9D2F:3BE:AC0E:F9F5 (talk) 05:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)