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Rename proposal Chink Heileman --> John Heileman (baseball)

Consistent with recent discussion at WT:BASEBALL, this is a proposal to rename biographical article Chink Heileman to John Heileman (baseball). Searching on newspapers.com finds no contemporary references to Heileman being known by the nickname "Chink". In his very brief major league career (5 games in 1901) he only appeared in newspaper articles under his surname (example here). While listed as later playing in Texas in the minor leagues in 1903, searches do not find him for that year. In July 1940, his obituary referred to him as John Heileman (here). Interestingly, his son George, who also played baseball professionally (although not in the major leagues), was known as "Chink" Heileman (his obituary here). It is possible that both Heilemans were known by that nickname, but lacking any evidence for the father, this proposal is to use John Heileman's given name as the title for his article. Note that John Heileman currently serves as a redirect to John Heilemann, hence the dab in the proposed new name. Comments welcome—please reply in the below section. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 9 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to John Heileman (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 13:14, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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Chink Heileman → John Heileman (baseball) – John George Heileman had a very brief major league baseball career (5 games in 1901) for which there is a lack of evidence (via searching through newspapers.com) that he was known by the nickname "Chink". His obituary in 1940 used his given name. While baseball reference sites such as Baseball-Reference.com and Retrosheet use (or previously used) his nickname, this proposal is to rename his Wikipedia article to his given name, as the nickname is not corroborated. Additional detail is provided on the Talk page. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:38, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Support - per nom. The burden for a slur to be in the title of an article as common name must be on reliable sources that affirmatively support it under WP:COMMONNAME. That is not the case here. Go Phightins! 01:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy to support moving over the redirect as well. Go Phightins! 20:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Support - per nom. If this figure were less obscure, then the base title could be claimed by this article, but the (baseball) disambiguation is probably needed, given the obscurity of the subject and the closeness of the redirect John Heileman to the spelling of its current target. Hog Farm _Talk 02:16, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support. I would be fine with moving this page to John Heileman, since he's the only one with this name, but I'm fine with the proposal also (the confusion is understandable). Nohomersryan (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support move to John Heileman.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:38, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support John Heileman. A "not to be confused with" hatnote should suffice for the other issue. Egsan Bacon (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Chink Heileman → John Heileman (baseball), but would support Chink Heileman → John Heileman, per Nohomersryan, Ortizesp and Egsan Bacon. Hatnotes should be, of course, appended atop both John Heileman and John Heilemann, each pointing to the other. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support move to John Heileman over the redirect, with a hat note pointing to the pundit. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
• Comment (by original requestor) I am certainly amenable to Chink Heileman → John Heileman with applicable hatnotes as suggested. Dmoore5556 (talk) 23:08, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.