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Requested move 28 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. Just want to add that WP:RUS has no bearing in the RM as it is neither policy or guideline. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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Evgeniya Kanayeva → Evgeniya Kanaeva – correct last name Wanwan0402 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Wanwan0402: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• @Wanwan0402: It appears that the current title is an accepted romanization per WP:RUS. This should probably be discussed. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• @Anthony Appleyard: The gymnast Evgeniya Kanaeva herself sent me a message yesterday asked me to change her last name of her page. She says Kanaeva is the only correct spelling of her surname. I sometimes would contact with her. And one of my very good friends edited her page long time ago. mostly content of Kanaeva's page were written by my friend. That's why Evgeniya Kanaeva asked me to help her. We keep in touch but she doesn't know my friend. Anyway, hopefully you can sovle it. I think she cares about this thing very much otherwise she would not wrote direct message to me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanwan0402 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nomination and per form of transliteration apparently used by subject herself. A tangentially-related transliteration nomination {Fyodor Dostoyevsky → Fyodor Dostoevsky} achieved consensus at Talk:Fyodor Dostoevsky#Requested move 1 March 2018. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:27, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
• @Lord Bolingbroke: "Kanaeva" is the spelling of this gymnast's surname in her passport. She asks me to change her title of wiki is because she has an instagram account, she wants to get the certification for official account from instagram, she sent her passport copy to instagram, but she can't get the certification because there is a difference between the name in her passport and in wiki.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanwan0402 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
• Neutral There are moves that matter and moves that do not. Unless anyone can demonstrate that such a move seeks to usurp another person's identity this is a straightforward matter, unlike the endless and needless discussions when a US soldier changed sexual identity and name some years ago and folk seemed to wish to make sexual identity points about it. When we move articles to new names redirects are created. "Old" names are not lost, but are simply tracked as alternatives. So the question, surely the only question, to be asked is "Are these the nmes of the same person?" Once that is satisfied, assuming them to be the names of the same person, we follow up with "Are the names borne out in references used in the article?" Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 07:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Her name in the profile of federation international gymnastics is also Evgeniya “Kanaeva” not Kanayeva. https://www.gymnastics.sport/site/athletes/bio_detail.php?id=65799 She competed in Olympics twice, her name is also Evgeniya “Kanaeva”. Wanwan0402 (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support As far as I can tell, every English-language reference in the article uses this spelling. No one is presenting broader searches of reliable sources to challenge it as WP:COMMONNAME, so WP:RUS doesn’t even count. —Michael Z. 21:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

  I also see this was moved without discussion because “WP:RUS” in 2008. WP:RUS is wiki WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH that corresponds to no standard method of romanization. It is literally designed to violate WP:COMMONNAME. We should smash it with the stone tablets of WP:CRITERIA, burn it with fire, and scatter it upon the waters. Maybe the challenger(s) of the speedy rename can retract their objections and let this proceed? —Michael Z. 21:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support. There seems no question raised above that the proposed name is the common one in reliable secondary English sources. In view of this, the move has only been delayed IMO because some of the arguments advanced in favour of the move are irrelevant... the bland assertion that it would be correct for example. But there are valid ones too, and no valid ones that I can see opposing it (but that's for the closer to determine of course). Andrewa (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

Wanwan0402, I'm assuming that by IG you mean the International Gymnastics Federation, is that correct? Andrewa (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Andrewa, IG means instagram. Wanwan0402

Thank you! I doubt I was the only one wondering. Not everyone uses Instagram or is fluent in its jargon and l33t, and the Federation had also been mentioned in discussion. Andrewa (talk) 03:17, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Mzajac, you raise interesting concerns regarding WP:RUS. We should perhaps take this further. Andrewa (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Andrewa, thank you. One of these days. It is a big question facing inertia and strong opinions, and IMO we need to discuss the use of romanization in contexts beyond just naming conventions, and harmonizing methods used for different languages. Not sure how to begin without writing a huge essay that no one will read. —Michael Z. 01:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I raised it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia essays#Some problematic essays, I have no great hope there but it seemed a good place to start. Andrewa (talk) 01:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.