Talk:Forced confession

Merger proposal

I propose that this article be merged into False confession#Coerced false confessions --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• Merge - This article is small enough to fit in a section of it's own, all we need is a couple of citations and we could possibly do this. OMGWEEGEE2 (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
• Do Not Merge - While a forced cofession has a high likelihood of being false, it is not necessarily false. Most forced confessions will be forced false confessions, but the use of force does not in theory make all confessions explicitely untrue. Some in the US government have claimed to have received good intel from enhanced interrigations. Our biggest concern should be that material here in unsourced, not article merging. Kjphill1977 (talk) 00:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Removed the merge template, given that the last argument hasn't been refuted in almost 3 years. Klbrain (talk) 15:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Moscow Trails

Pierre Broué went through Trotsky’s private papers in the Harvard Trotsky Archive and found Trotsky writing about conspiring with various oppositionists the USSR, including Bukharin and Sokolnikov. J. Arch Getty concluded either Trotsky’s wife or Trotskyite historians had censored the archive. Cohen concluded in his biography of Bukharin that he wasn’t tortured and eye including MacLean (who wrote in his “Eastern Approaches” that the accused confessed to protect the legitimacy of communism rather than because if torture) and foreign diplomats allowed to witness the trial all concluded the suspects weren’t tortured, as did post-Soviet Russian historians who studied the minutes. Grigori Tokaev and Alexander Zinoviev, both from the safety of the west and after Stalin died, claimed they were involved in this anti-soviet conspiracy. Stalin, Kaganovich and Dmitrov all genuinely believed the accused of being guilty, as indicated by unpublished private works and Stalin also accused people who were not persecuted. Or in other words, those accused were actually guilty and admitted this without being tortured. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

User:NatriumGedrogt: Can you provide sources for this? Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 08:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Origins of the Great Purges by J Arch Getty, a professor of russian history at UCLA NatriumGedrogt (talk) 12:59, 19 April 2021 (UTC)