Talk:Friedrich Nietzsche

Can it be rephrased?

As someone who isn't an English native speaker, I find it hard to understand the following sentence and even translate it

"It does so by making out slave weakness, for example, to be a matter of choice, by relabeling it as "meekness".

For example the phrase "making out" has a lot of different meanings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.22.160.62 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Why are we prioritizing interpretations over original source

Why are we prioritizing interpretations over original source?

There is overwhelming German propaganda on this article with centuries old anti-Slavic, anti-Polish, antisemitic "interpretations" vs original source reporting of history.

The language on this article in English is grossly biased and the German article even more so. 2A00:F41:48B4:2642:3D97:825E:2564:EFA1 (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Elisabeth in the lead

A paragraph in the lead is dedicated to blaming Elisabeth Forster-Nietzsche for the twisting of Nietzsche's words to suit the Nazi POV. Her article, however, presents an alternative theory that it was the wider Party rather than her specifically that undertook the mistranslation.

I'm hardly a philosophy expert, but I feel like this should be rectified - I couldn't find sources that suggests her role is under debate, other than the source in her article that I'm not 100% sure on reliability. Could a smarter person than I explain the differences? Couruu (talk) 16:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Nietzsche's "aristocratic radicalism" and "paganism"

As far as I know, Nietzsche had approved of Georg Brandes' categorization of his thought as "aristocratic radicalism" (Letter to Georg Brandes – December 2nd 1887, see below), and hasn't contested polytheism and paganism - or even on the reverse called himself a pagan - or at least claimed it - (The Will to Power - 1034) and praised polytheism - or at least what he saw it to be (The Gay Science - 143).

- "Of Brandes' description of his philosophy, Nietzsche himself remarked: "The expression 'aristocratic radicalism', which you employ, is very good. It is, permit me to say, the cleverest thing that I have yet read about myself"."

- "We, many or few, who once more dare to live in a world purged of morality, we pagans in faith, we are probably also the first who understand what a pagan faith is: to be obliged to imagine higher creatures than man, but to imagine them beyond good and evil; to be compelled to value all higher existence as immoral existence. We believe in Olympus, and not in the "man on the cross.""

- "The Greatest Utility of Polytheism... In polytheism man’s free-thinking and many-sided thinking had a prototype set up: the power to create for himself new and individual eyes, always newer and more individualised: so that it is for man alone, of all the animals, that there are no eternal horizons and perspectives."

My edits having been reversed twice - how should we proceed on these two points? YitzhakEybeschutz (talk) 15:29, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello. To clarify, I'm not disputing whether he labelled himself as such. The first sentence is for what the subject is notable for (per MOS:FIRSTBIO). Notability is determined through secondary sources. If you have reliable secondary sources about the categorization of his philosophy, you can add content about it in the philosophy section. Alternatively you can add content to Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche as well. Keep in mind that we cannot analyze primary sources ourselves per WP:PST and that there are different opinions in secondary sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I now understand and have acted accordingly. YitzhakEybeschutz (talk) 07:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)