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Talk:Interface: A Journal for and about Social Movements
Notability
A claim has been made that this journal does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals). I think that's incorrect. The journal meets criteria 1, 2 and perhaps 3; as there are plenty of sources that mention it: Google search for "Interface: a journal for and about social movements" yields about 50,000 hits, including places like the International Sociological Association ([1]) and P2P Foundation ([2]). It has been mentioned by other publications (here is a mention in the Journal of the Association for History and Computing. Papers published in this journal are cited, and there are many hits on Google Scholar for it: [3]. Lastly, the journal comes up high (second for me) in a Google searchfor "social movement journal", making it certainly notable and important (if a newcomer) to the field of social movement studies. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me
16:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The external links that you added are two blog posts (one of them by someone from the journal's editorial board). Yes, one of the blogs is the newsletter of the International Sociological Association, that still does not make this anything special. The mention in the Journal of the Association for History and Computing (itself at the lower end of the notability scale, I'd say) is just an in-passing mention in a newsletter-like section of that journal. Of course Interface has been mentioned by other publications. But Google actually only gives 281 results (just scroll down) and even if all those Ghits were citations to the journal from other journals, that is completely insufficient. Compare this to WP:PROF. An academic with 281 citations will never make WP:PROF (but may make WP:GNG if there are other sources). I see none of that here. This absolutely misses WP:NJournals on all three counts (and I don't see how any 3-year-old journal could ever meet #3). --Crusio (talk) 22:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Because it is one of the very few journals in the social movements field. In certain small fields, there may be only few publications, but this very fewness makes them notable. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me
23:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I find that the strangest definition of notable I have seen in a long time. Fields can always be subdivided in ever smaller ones. I'm going to take this to AfD, I think. --Crusio (talk) 08:08, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me
01:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
WP:NOTINHERITED. I will take this to AfD as soon as I have time. --Crusio (talk) 09:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Laurence Cox appears to have failed to disclose that he is in fact the editor of said journal. IRWolfie- (talk) 12:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
He has a COI, yes. But acknowledging that, I think his arguments about the journal being encyclopedic still stand. If you disagree, AFD is that a'way. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here
15:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
His arguments are besides the point: being "worthy" or "unique" has nothing to do with notability. The fact that notable people have published in the journal is irrelevant, too (​WP:NOTINHERITED​), unless somebody has noticed those writing and written about them and the fact that they appeared in this journal. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I think we are coming back to the wider question of what makes an academic journal notable. And seeing as the academia itself is in the middle of a major shift, it's a very hard question to answer, particularly when it comes to open content journals who care less about things like big name publishers and such. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here
16:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
No the question is answered fairly easy, in the absence of dedicated guidelines, the article must meet WP:GNG. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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