Talk:Jacob Sartorius

Sources

Here are more sources not used in the article that can be used to show notability. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] I LOVE YOU JACOB SARTORIUS XOXO (talk) 02:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Number 1 fails WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Most if not all of these sources are not specifically about the subject, but rather just a passing mention, and therefore do not establish notability. Note that charting on the Billboard Hot 100 alone does not mean the subject is definitely notable. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Number 2 is specifically about Jacob, in 7 and 8 Jacob is mentioned in more than one sentence. "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." I LOVE YOU JACOB SARTORIUS XOXOXO (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:MUSIC, charting on a national chart, such as the Billboard Hot 100, is sufficient to establish an artists's notability. Not only has this artist charted in the US, he has also charted internationally, in Canada; See [11] (#81 Canada, #90 US). That's plenty enough to make the guy notable in and of itself, though of course more thorough background from good sources is always desirable (and AMG has a biography which is serviceable as well). Based on this addition, the article should be accepted for mainspace. Chubbles (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

articles for deletion

I cant vote at the articles for deletion page because when I do it activates the filter and locks me out. see [12] I tried changing my comment and it still wont work. But a stupid editing test works! see [13] I made this page WTF! I LOVE YOU JACOB SARTORIUS XOXOXO (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

No, I made this page. There are many different pages being created about the same topic but a lot of them do not meet the criteria or are not as noticed as others. I created this this page a few weeks ago.

Rose Sartorius (talk) 05:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

And I checked out some things. Repeated attempts to vandalize? Really? Wow. Rose Sartorius (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, the reason it hasnt been working for you is because THIS IS NOT YOUR PAGE. I CREATED THIS. If you did create one, this one is not it. Rose Sartorius (talk) 05:33, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Rose Sartorius stop claiming false WP:OWNERSHIP of Jacob Sartorius. I added a majority of the (sourced) information and citations [14] [15] and submitted the article for review [16]. Here are some of your edits, not a single citation used. [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25](Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material? Really? Wow.) And the first edit was actually by "Ivyarrow"[26], so neither of us actually "created" or started the page, but one did make much more significant contributions. I can't edit the page because the page is locked and my account isn't old enough. I LOVE YOU JACOB SARTORIUS XOXOXO (talk) 03:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I need to edit this and I'm not able to because it says "page is protected to Prevent vandalism" Rosee Sartorius (talk) 09:56, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

request

add Template:Db-g7 I LOVE YOU JACOB SARTORIUS XOXOXO (talk) 05:29, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: As with the article Sweatshirt (song), there is already a discussion at AfD. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 06:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Jacob lives in Reston not Herndon Grxgh22va (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 19:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Aaron Williams 22:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruhitzwilliams (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2016

I would like to edit this to fix a typo that means a lot to me because I am a professional editor for authors including Mike Lupica, Jeff Kinney, and J.K. Rowling. 24.34.101.182 (talk) 17:46, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2016

Please change "is an American singer and internet personality and singer" to "is an American singer and internet personality" because it states singer twice and if it were correct, then there would need to be a comma between singer and internet but it is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivyarrow (talk • contribs) 10:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Done nyuszika7h (talk) 10:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2016

I went to his school, he attended Langston Hughes Middle School.

Quinncubus (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

You want proof? Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLBTVNVWLmc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.56.140.238 (talk) 21:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

@108.56.140.238: YouTube is not a reliable source. -- Dane2007 ^talk 04:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, whatever you say, Wikipedia dictators. He did go to my school, and it was Langston Hughes Middle School — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.56.140.238 (talk) 18:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2016

Please change "Sartorius is from Virginia and his social media is managed by his mother." to "Sartorius was born in Oklahoma. Shortly after his birth, he was adopted and moved to Virginia."

Does anyone know if his mother still manages his Social Media? I don't think she does anymore but I have no references. Ssegasture (talk) 00:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane2007 ^talk 04:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Videos_as_references. The video link posted is to Jacob Sartorius' Verified (by YouTube) channel. This is the first place, and only official place, that he has release this information. Explain to me how YouTube is not a reliable source for an 'internet personality'? Ssegasture (talk) 04:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done Done — AffeL (talk) 09:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2016

Born to Angela and Cody Keeling in Tulsa. 75.175.30.141 (talk) 21:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 22:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2016

caroline is adopted as well. if that applies to anything. 75.175.30.141 (talk) 00:08, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Height and Weight

Height- 5 ft 6.25 in Weight- 111 lbs

References

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2016

girlfriend: Catarina Crista — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.60.179.95 (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 21:04, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2016

144.134.169.230 (talk) 06:17, 25 October 2016 (UTC) Jacob sartorius 1st girlfriend was name Brianna

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2017

Hello, I am writing this to ask of you if I could edit Jacob's page, I see a few blips and would like to add a some information on his early life and the new songs he just released. Thank you for taking your time to read this. -Fiona M. Fiona M. (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Note: below's subjected answer. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 01:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2017

Please let me edit Jacob's page so I can add new information. Fiona M. (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Stickee (talk) 01:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2017

Create pages for songs that have been released but do not have pages. Only 2 songs have pages. Sanctus909 (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Protected

Please make this unprotected Jojosiwalover (talk) 20:03, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Given the level of vandalism and WP:POV warring that has taken place on this page, why is that a good idea? 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 03:42, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Updates need to be made JacobSartorius0 (talk) 22:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2017

Mckenna.1017 (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

You have not specified what change you would like to be made. Therefore the request can not be acted upon. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

"Vocals" section

In the "vocals" sections, only the voice is stated. He genuinely uses auto-tune therefore "auto-tune" must be stated there as well. Thanks Corrector977092 (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2017

they got info WRONG

}} 51.37.66.202 (talk) 14:59, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

You have not specified what change you would like to be made. Therefore the request can not be acted upon. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:32, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The Vamps

please change ((The Vamps)) to ((The Vamps (British band)|The Vamps))

 Done 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

BLP etc

please hide/revisiondelete the phone number added by User:Emmaimhoff and block this user. This may be a massive BLP violation if the number is true, at least it's very unconfortable for the ownwer if the number is correct. --Denniss (talk) 10:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Denniss. Asking here on this talk page may well not work. You need to have a look at WP:REVDEL please - it tells you what to do if you have this concern. As a courtesy I'm dealing with it for you now. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Dating Millie Bobbie Brown

Jacob is now dating Millie Bobbie Brown, the little girl who plays Jane "Eleven" on Stranger Things. Just so you're all aware, that is, Article worthy or not. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 02:02, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Millie Bobby Brown*. Miaow 02:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Not too sure how encyclopaedia-worthy a teen relationship is. Also, we need a source that isn't social media (I know they've confirmed it on social media, but such sources will not be suitable). Patient Zero^talk 09:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I've just checked out Millie Bobby Brown's article and seen that someone removed a mention of Sartorius' relationship with her, per WP:NOTADIARY. I had a feeling there was policy against writing that sort of thing - there it is. Patient Zero^talk 09:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2018

Can yyou allow me to edit? Semi Divine (talk) 02:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2018

Please change the numbers of followers in each social media, some personal infos, relationship status & career (i mean music and stuff like that) 

Thanks, Tia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiasdemons (talk • contribs) 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:15, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Lead image

Would you prefer a cropped version of File:Jacob Sartorius (2), 2017.jpg to the current lead image? In my opinion, the cropped version is better (despite its seemingly lower resolution) due to the fact that it's a medium close-up. The cropped version covers the subject's head and shoulders, and doesn't focus on Sartorius' legs. Hurrygane (talk) 08:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to agree Hurrygane - we don't need a full-scale image of him on the article, his face will suffice in the infobox. Patient Zero^talk 09:11, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

According to this edit, SecretName101 agrees with us as well. Hurrygane (talk) 17:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2018

Breia.Love (talk) 02:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Rolf Jacob Sartouis is an American Singer and Internet personality who Rose to fame via social Media From posting Lip Sync Videos on Music.ly.Jacob was born October 2, 2002, and Now he's 15 years old He was also Born in Oklahoma.He only has 1 sister and her name is Caroline Sartorius.Caroline was Born may 28 1997 and she'now 20 years old and going to turn 21 in less than 29 days

 Not done: The ages are automatically handled by templates, and siblings are rarely mentioned unless they're specifically notable on their own terms. — IVORK _Discuss 02:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

age

he is not 15 anymore because it is his birthday today so he is 16 now, but it is locked so i can't edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.122 (talk) 18:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Discography: Better With You (EP)

Better With You should be added to his discography :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toxicwolf107 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

singles

the singles up with it and better with you were both released in 2018 and yet the year is divided into 2 2018 with a line separating them from each other. so we should get rid of the line and only have one 2018 in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.122 (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020

Remove the word comedic because he is not funny 2604:CA00:149:5AA5:0:0:46A:54E5 (talk) 07:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: No. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Add in controversy?

Shouldn’t we add in the controversy surrounding this artist like his recent relationships and him smoking weed? We could also mention his change from making teen music to now making explicit music. Vincent.Lupo (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

How does one "force" another to send messages, other than literally scams like those indian call scams, but then you aren't forced, just scared into thinking you have to give them some access. idk the word forced seems misused and seems like yet another gynocentric opinion and interpretation.Gendalv (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Credible sources

Would this information and these sources help the article? Can someone please make the following changes?

• In 2015, he performed at London’s o2 Arena. - https://www.theo2.co.uk/events/detail/jacob-sartorius
• He discussed his experience of posting his first Vine and bullying. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiBu1RY01W0
• In 2018, he partnered with Be Strong, an organization working towards bully prevention. - https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8455616/jacob-sartorius-up-with-it-video
• “Hit Me Back” was on the New York Times 54 Songs of 2017 list. - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/arts/music/best-songs.html
• In 2018, he joined Amy Schumer, Olivia Wilde, Yara Shahidi, Connie Britton, Skai Jackson, Meg Donnelly, Ta’Rhonda Jones, Cappie Pondexter, Trevor Hall, Mason Cook, and Bret Lockett to protest gun violence for the March for Our Lives - https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/march-for-our-lives-celebrities-performers-speakers.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/march-our-lives-2018-taylor-swift-donation-march-24-gun-control-dc-ny-a8271841.html https://deadline.com/2018/03/march-for-our-lives-anti-gun-rallies-take-over-international-stage-and-media-1202352618/

• Business Insider named him one of the 32 biggest stars on TikTok in 2019. - https://www.businessinsider.de/international/tiktok-most-popular-stars-gen-z-influencers-social-media-app-2019-6/
• Screenrant listed him in their top 10 richest TikTokers in 2021. - https://screenrant.com/top-richest-tiktokers-ranked-net-worth/
• In 2020, he attended the Dolce and Gabbana Fall/Winter 2020/2021 show in Milan, Italy. - https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/jacob-sartorius-arrivals-at-dolce-e-gabbana-fashion-show-news-photo/1193282504

This is how it could read with the new proposed sources (new additions in bold):

Rolf Jacob Sartorius (/sɑːrˈtɔːriəs/; born October 2, 2002), commonly known as Jacob Sartorius is an American child singer and internet personality, who rose to fame via social media from posting comedic videos on Vine and lip-syncing videos on musical.ly and TikTok. In 2015, he performed at London’s o2 Arena. In 2016, he released his debut single "Sweatshirt", which reached a peak of 90 on the Hot 100chart in the United States. Jacob Sartorius was the 9th most searched musical artist of 2016. On January 20, 2017, Sartorius released his debut extended play The Last Text which consisted of eight songs. The EP charted in the album charts in the United States, Canada, Scotland, New Zealand, Ireland and Australia. His debut concert tour The Last Text World Tour, took place the same year. He then released his second EP, Left Me Hangin'. In November 2018, Sartorius released his third EP, Better With You. Then on May 31, 2019, he released his fourth EP, Where Have You Been?

Early Life

Sartorius was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Shortly after his birth, he was adopted and moved to Virginiabecause his birth parents were unable to take care of him. He was raised in Reston, Virginia by his adoptive parents. At age 7, Sartorius began acting in musicals, where he discovered his love for performing.

In 2014, Sartorius uploaded his first online video to Vine at 11 years old. The video, which was a message about anti-bullying, went viral and began his fame on social media. After regularly posting videos to Vine, Sartorius became mildly popular on the app. Later that year, Sartorius joined Musical.ly where his online fame took off. His lip-syncing videos on the app became very popular and led him to become one of the app's top stars with more than 8 million followers as of August 2016.

Sartorius believed social media offered him an escape from bullying, stating, "Before Musical.ly, I wasn't the most outgoing. The app helped me goof off. It's like no one is watching besides the camera." (2017) He discussed his experience of posting his first Vine and bullying.

In 2018, he partnered with Be Strong, an organization working towards bully prevention.

Career

Career beginnings, T3MG, and AMF Tour (2016)

After rising to fame via social media, Sartorius signed with T3 Music Group and released his debut single "Sweatshirt" on May 3, 2016. The song peaked at No. 90 on the US Billboard Hot 100, No. 81 on the Canadian Hot 100. Around that time, Business Insider predicted Sartorius "could be the next Justin Bieber".

After the tour, Sartorius released two more singles, "Hit or Miss" and "All My Friends". With "Hit or Miss" debuting at No. 72 in the United States, it is his highest charting single to date. In 2016, Sartorius undertook the All My Friends Tour, a solo mini-tour where he performed in six cities.

The Last Text, RCA, and Left Me Hangin' (2017–2020)

Three months later, Sartorius announced The Last Text World Tour where he would perform in seven countries in 2017 in support of his debut extended play The Last Text. Sartorius' E.P. was released on January 20, 2017.

(June 2017). “Hit Me Back” was on the New York Times 54 Songs of 2017 list.

(October 2017) Mid-2017, Sartorius signed with RCA Records and on October 6, released his major label debut, Left Me Hangin'. Sartorius released his first Christmas song, "Cozy" on December 1, 2017.[citation needed]

In March 2018, Sartorius attended the Los Angeles March for Our Lives protest and spoke at the event. In 2018, he joined Amy Schumer, Olivia Wilde, Yara Shahidi, Connie Britton, Skai Jackson, Meg Donnelly, Ta’Rhonda Jones, Cappie Pondexter, Trevor Hall, Mason Cook, and Bret Lockett to protest gun violence for the March for Our Lives [1] [2] [3]

On November 1, 2018, Sartorius released his EP Better With You. On May 31, 2019, he released his third EP, "Where Have You Been?[citation needed]

Business Insider named him one of the 32 biggest stars on TikTok in 2019.

Screenrant listed him in their top 10 richest TikTokers in 2021.

In 2020, he attended the Dolce and Gabbana Fall/Winter 2020/2021 show in Milan, Italy. Jacobmcpherson (talk) 11:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I also removed the edit request template here. It seems you have a COI. There is a different template for that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

The COI template was added Jacobmcpherson (talk) 22:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done:

• O2 concert is not significant enough to be mentioned in the lead.
• Significance of the Youtube interview has not been established through a secondary source.
• Be Strong partnership is only mentioned in passing in the article, and Be Strong is not a notable organization.
• The NYT list is not mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia, so I'm not inclined to add it to this article.
• It is not mentioned in the other celebrities' articles that they participated in the March for Our Lives protests, so I'm not inclined to add it to this article.
• Business insider and Screenrant lists are of no particular notability. See WP:RSP.
• Attendance of fashion event is not notable. JBchrch talk 10:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Switch image in infobox

I tried swapping out the image, but it seems the person who took it wants theirs to be featured, despite it not being current or how the subject of the article would like to be represented. Please see the proposed image here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jacob_Sartorius.jpg. Also note, the photographer has provided the Wikimedia release form via the OTRS release generator. Jacobmcpherson (talk) 19:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm removing the edit request templates because you can already edit the article. The templates are to request edits if you're unable to edit the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

This isn't true: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Unblock request by Wikipedia Paid Editor Jacobmcpherson Jacobmcpherson (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Please reinstate the edit requests, Jacobmcpherson is blocked from editing article space but is not prevented from making edit requests via talk pages. Nthep (talk) 14:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nthep, I saw that after, and advised them on their talk page to use the correct edit request template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

This has noting to do with the fact that any user wants their photograph to be included in the infobox, but rather due to the fact that the image you are trying to use has previously been deleted from Commons due to copyright violations are multiple hits on search engines. I am in no doubt that this will be the case again, as it looks to have been taken by a professional photographer, perhaps for a magazine or online article. Goodreg3 (talk) 23:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

 Already done The image was added to the article on the April 1. Image licence confirmed by OTRS. Terasail^[✉] 16:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Intro

The intro doesn't mention his singing career whatsoever and almost definitely falls under WP:UNDUE and violates NPOV. @Goodreg3: I'm not sure how you can look at that lead you wrote and claim it's unbiased. Kingofthedead (talk) 05:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Not to mention the statements added by user:Goodreg3 lack proper sourcing per WP:RELIABLE. Also, the Teen Vogue article seems to contradict information which appeared in the "Controversies" section. The information added to the introduction and "Controversies" section by user:Goodreg3 may be viewed as WP:LIBEL Jacobmcpherson (talk) 17:34, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Just happened to see this page and fixed it. Shameful that it stayed up for so long. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 05:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request (Disagreement on Reliable Sources; Disagreement on Intro):

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Jacob Sartorius and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

Please see the guidance of WP:BIO WP:RELIABLE, WP:TONE, WP:WEASEL, WP:BIAS and WP:CRYSTAL BALL which covers this issue. The new sources covering musical successes are better and if some of the WP:OPINION (adjectives) about how big/great/phenomenal they were is toned down they are also incontestable meeting verifiable (WP:V). They are more reputable than the weasel-worded sources regarding the various allegations which need to be toned down to a hearsay level (i.e. highly controversial, unproven level) and put in a bland, vanilla way, avoiding anything that is alleged criminality as the subject of them is very much alive. One can legally write "he has attracted some controversy, particularly as to certain alleged interactions with some fans" - Adam37 Talk 14:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Sources

The 15th source from Billboard seems to be an error page. Batmilk (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)