Talk:List of bicycle-sharing systems

Hong Kong

I can understand if you still cannot consider Taiwan as PRC's territory. However, Hong Kong has been given back to PRC government and Chinese people for more than two decades, I do not think it appropriate to list element "Hong Kong" out of "China" in contents and I wish it can be corrected immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.226.103.6 (talk) 07:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thats bullshit. Despite the fact that Hongkong was officially given back 2 decades ago, it can not be seen as part of China in any way. There are more things that would describe Hongkong as an independent state as there are things that describe it as part of China (for example border control, customs, visa regulation, telephone numbers, tax laws, state system, media censorship etc.). 58.213.31.106 (talk) 11:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Beijing

What's the current status in Beijing? This professor[1] said in Nov 2010 that the Beijing scheme never got off the ground. Are we referring to this private scheme[2][3][4] and how is that going now? Earthlyreason (talk) 04:59, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

There's a new scheme being introduced in 2011 - see reference on the main page.

Lots of information

This resource has a much longer list of schemes, and other useful info. Check it out: http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/bike-share.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.118.172.82 (talk) 06:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

And there are lots more schemes in China, and elsewhere, with details here:

http://www.publicbike.net/defaulten.aspx

eg. http://www.publicbike.net/en/c/city.aspx?c=Zhongshan

http://bikes.oobrien.com/zhongshan/timeline/

http://www.eenews.net/public/climatewire/2011/11/02/1

http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/general/bikes-and-riding/42382/ (See 'China U-turn on bikes')

http://oliverobrien.co.uk/category/bike-share/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.217.48 (talk) 13:39, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Latvia

Just added BalticBike in Rigan (Latvia). I used it with pleasure when I was there recently (as a tourist). I had to re-add it. Was it removed? I can see not reason not to mention BalticBike on this list as well. Rbakels (talk) 10:15, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

If the main goal or bikeshare "is to provide free or affordable access to bicycles for short-distance trips" than BalticBike is no way a BSS. Technically it is, but the 2$ for an hour is more expensive than public transit (1$, 0,50$ if you're a student) and is just a project to slow down the bankruptcy or AirBaltic :) And it is made to serve only recreational purposes.--149.156.131.49 (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Netherlands

Just updated the entries on The Netherlands. By far the most widely known system is "OV-fiets". Living in The Netherlands, I was not even aware of "springtime". Is it perhaps a commercial "plug"? Is it a separate service or just a supplier to "OV-fiets"? I put them in a different row. Rbakels (talk) 10:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Active + announced + planned + considered programmes?

Should we include not only current schemes but also those that are committed to, and possibly at lesser stages of planning? Of course, we need to avoid falling foul of WP:CRYSTAL, but that certainly allows mention of firmly planned schemes. The mention of Beijing's major scheme, upcoming very soon, and the aborted scheme there in 2005, were removed by an editor keen on WP:CRYSTAL, on the basis that it wasn't already in place, as the originator of this table suggested. It may be time to broaden the scope to reflect actual development of schemes around the world. Also, here are 30 US cities that (at late 2010) were planning or preparing bike share schemes, sourced from cityryde. Pedalissimo (talk) 11:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I think a separate section for "Bicycle sharing systems in development" would be useful, especially if the bicycle sharing systems had their own pages already (for Beijing, we could link to Beijing on the bicycle sharing page). WP:CRYSTAL should not be an issue if all the programs have citations that they are actually being developed, and not just a rumor or prediction. Stephen (talk) 17:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree there is a problem in that defunct/closed/terminated/indefinitely suspended systems are mixed with exiting ones and planned ones. There are two ways to solve this: either create two separate sections "Defunct/Suspended" and "Planned" or add another column called "Status" to the table. I suggest the later is better, and would fit if concomitantly narrowing down the website column, by hiding the full www address. --ELEKHH^T 07:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I support ELEKHH in both adding a column for 'status' and burying the URL as a link, perhaps as a first entry 'web' in the 'References' column. Pedalissimo (talk) 13:26, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Number of bicycle sharing schemes

The reference to number of bikesharing schemes provided doesn't seem trustworthy. Not saying there is not that many (300+), just the article from which that number is taken has gotten that from another source: http://zagster.com/ And I can't find no numbers there :) --Mindawgz (talk) 11:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Now updated with an original source. Pedalissimo (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Integration in one list?

I think it should be more useful to have a single sortable table aggregating information about systems from all continents, instead of the current separated tables. --Ita140188 (talk) 06:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Since nobody seems to care, I tried to do it. I wait for opinions. --Ita140188 (talk) 05:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Thanks for implementing it. To keep most elements as a single line, I've shortened 'United Kingdom' et al. Also broke up the 'Asia and Middle East' category, a long name that didn't help, merging Oceania into 'Asia Pacific', and assigned Israel to 'Middle East'; and de-linked repeated continent names. Pedalissimo (talk) 16:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the structure by continents wasn't the best, but now we have a very long unstructured list. I would suggest a good structuring order would be either by city population (with the thresholds of 100K and 1 million) or by the extent of the network (threshold 100 stations). In terms of due weight, since the whole section is about cities, I suggest to change the order of columns and place city names first, while the continent column could be removed. Following the same principle, I removed the recently added flagicons, per MOS:FLAG, as I think were very distracting, unhelpful, in placed undue weigh on countries, when the subjects are city-wide systems. --ELEKHH^T 22:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree that there should be a new ordering (by city name), the problem is that there's no easy way to do it. The list should be transfered to an external spreadsheet and reordered, but wikilinks would be lost (I don't think doing it manually is a practical solution at this point). That's why I left the previous order. If anybody knows a better way to implement the change, please let me know! --Ita140188 (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I found a way myself :) Help:Sorting#Maintaining_tables_sorted_by_rank --Ita140188 (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Figures update

Hi,

I updated some figures about stations and bikes using this website. It aggregates figures from open data provided by the bike-share operators, it is therefore more realistic than "official" figures, either because the system expanded since, or because the official figures are exagerated. Slasher-fun (talk) 20:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Prove that official websites linked by users give unreliable data before editing. --151.66.141.13 (talk) 19:09, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Citibike # Bikes data updated per official website 1 Aug, 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.155.132 (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Liverpool Cycle Hire now Active

Just noticed the Liverpool cycle hire is still listed as planned, I'm not very good at editing these pages so just thought I would highlight it for another user to fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.135.204 (talk) 09:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Cities

The table in this section is far too large, not necessarily in length but in width. Though I do agree we should remove the cities that "plan" to incorporate bicycle sharing systems, which I will take on here shortly, readers have to scroll all the way to the right of the screen to view the entire table. I wanted to get other users' input on what columns we should remove to shrink the table and avoid the difficult navigation. It is not easy to read, especially for readers who have a small screen on their lap top and such. Look forward to collaborating on this. I'm by no means experienced in editing tables so all help is welcomed. Meatsgains (talk) 03:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed bicycle sharing systems that were noted as either "closed" or "planned". I don't have a problem restoring the planned systems back to the table if they are now in operation. Meatsgains (talk) 03:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Possible split

This list is a bit too long and also repeats information between the sections and the large table. I suggest the following:

• The table remains in this article, but is split between continents/countries subheaders (that still allow for sorting overall)
• The descriptions of systems be moved to continental (or even country-level) articles, e.g. Bicycle-sharing in North America.

SounderBruce 02:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

If we are to split the page, I'd suggest splitting it by continent. I've made several edits to this page recently to condense it and remove unsourced content however, it still needs a lot of work. There is, as you noted, quite a bit of overlap too. Meatsgains (talk) 02:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

FYI - I moved substantial sections from Bicycle-sharing system into this page back in August 2014. Meatsgains (talk) 02:44, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I strongly oppose the split of the list by continent. I think it is essential to keep the list intact. I think it is important to have all the information in one place to be able to make comparisons between systems. In my opinion it is better to move the prose descriptions elsewhere and keep only the list in this article. Moreover, if the list is still too long, there could be a minimum limit for the systems to be included in the list, like at least 50 bikes or so. This would lower the number of systems listed here, making the list more manageable. --Ita140188 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, to make the article less heavy, we could remove the country flags from the list and put the websites in the footnotes. I know the links were added in the list so it could be printed, but they really make the list much more clumsy. --Ita140188 (talk) 11:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The table is too wide. Readers have to scroll far to the right in order to read the table in its entirety. I suggest removing the website name and include the footnotes in the City column. I'm with you on removing the flags to make the table thinner. Let's try and condense the page before moving forward with any kind of split. Meatsgains (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Ita140188: The removal of the flags and adding links to the websites improved the table significantly! What do you think about removing the reference column and including the references into say the City or Country columns? Meatsgains (talk) 18:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Agree with moving the references, will try to move them all soon. --Ita140188 (talk) 20:09, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

We're almost there! What do you think about removing the Status column in the table? I recently removed all the systems that were inactive and all that remain are ones that are active so there really is no reason to note that they are active. Meatsgains (talk) 04:05, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the status column. Table looks much better now. Let me know what you think. Meatsgains (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

After mine and Ita140188's recent contributions to the page, I removed the split tag. The page isn't in great condition but I will continue working on it to bring it up to par. Meatsgains (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Missing Places (that should be added)

Jersey City, NJ, USA - NYC's CitiBike expansion into another state, 2015.

Hoboken, NJ, USA - Bike-share opened recently (2015?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.109.31 (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Page needs more references

I periodically come to this page and add references but am requesting the help of others to add reliable sources to improve the page's verifiability - it is quite time consuming. The page has a lot of unsourced material. Thanks in advance! Meatsgains (talk) 04:02, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Reorganize prose section?

Most of the first part of the article, before the main list, is essentially a repetition of information found on the list. I think it should rather be a summary of the general situation in the country, with results, policies etc. --Ita140188 (talk) 05:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

St Petersburg - Russia: changed name to Velogorod

Hello The bicylce sharing system in St Petersburg, Russia, is Velogorod, and not Velobike, which is the sharing system for Moscow only. Link to Velogorod: spb.velogorod.org

Reference: an article with pictures: http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/05/05/056/

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.66.141.179 (talk) 07:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

This source, which is already included on the page, notes that the system is called Velobike. Meatsgains (talk) 18:48, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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Dallas

Dallas contains a bunch of bike sharing companies, and it is missing on this list Bugg Bulborb (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Rework of the main table

The Main table has a Country column. The country names are inconsistent, sometimes USA is used sometimes United States, sometimes UK, other times United Kingdom, and other times Wales. I am going to change the country names so they are consistent.--Alternative Transport (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

The Continent column is also inconstant. Americas vs North America, or Asia vs Middle East vs Asia Pacific. I am going to delete the column. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alternative Transport (talk • contribs) 14:53, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

since many of the systems have been discontinued since their inauguration I am adding Discontinued and changing Year Inauguration to Launched.--Alternative Transport (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I also split operator and system. And I would like to cut Daily ridership. Those numbers can mean anything, they can be the average over 365 days, they can be the average for the summer months, they can be top number in a particular year. There are not that many and they are not being updated.--Alternative Transport (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

As already discussed in 2016, Reorganize prose section? above. The written segment should be cut and information that is included in the table should be cut from there.--Alternative Transport (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I feel that the main table is the main focus of the list. Thus it should be at the top of the article. I would like to keep the prose section if it explains the development of bicycle sharing systems in that country at greater lengths. United Kingdom, China, France, Netherlands, Denmark, United States, all include interesting developments. But maybe those section should be moved to new articles respectively, Bicycle Sharing in United Kingdom? or back to Bicycle-sharing system--Alternative Transport (talk) 12:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

So, I have imported the list of different sharing systems per country from Bicycle-sharing system, and sorted it into List of bicycle-sharing systems. I am going to rewrite Bicycle-sharing system because that article is a mess/out-of-date as well.--Alternative Transport (talk) 13:30, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Zagster shuts down many operations, quite a few USA sections are now out of date

I came upon this Wikipedia page because I was trying to figure out why some bikeshares have disappeared. For quite a few of these, while they are gone, there is no news coverage of the fact that the city no longer has a bikeshare.

I plan to update a few for which I can find reliable sources. However, I think that

a) it is too much for me to do alone to check/update all of the Zagster locations b) I think there are some Zagster bikeshares which have closed down but for which there would be no reliable secondary source. So now they will be inaccurate/out of date. What to do about them?

Thanks

IllQuill (talk) 04:09, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Wales

There is a Wales heading with no information. Perhaps the header should be removed. User1042 (talk) 11:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Within the Wales section you can find Cardiff and Swansea, cities in Wales, so it seems valid to have a 'Wales' heading. Yadsalohcin (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Article needs a large revamp

Most list pages on the Wiki don't have a table, and then go into paragraphs of prose below the list. A list page is a list first and foremost. They will have prose before a list to explain in detail what's included and why, perhaps an overview of the subject.

But this article page is extremely odd. I'm also not sure all of the cities mentioned in the prose sections are in the actual table, which is the whole point of the page. 71.11.5.2 (talk) 14:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

where estonia

where is it Ytxct (talk) 14:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Please provide references regarding any bicycle-sharing systems there, then we can add something about Estonia. Yadsalohcin (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin oh bikes well we olny have bolt in estonia Ytxct (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

ijustwanttoeditwiki's work correlates here ypu may also have to add bolt to every city that has bolt bikes i do not know what ones they are but probably bolt bikes are there in the countries Ytxct (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin just look at the map above when you search bikes in the article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_%28company%29?wprov=sfla1 ) Ytxct (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this- at the Wiki article on Bolt I see cars, taxis, and a picture of a scooter, but nothing about bicycle-sharing systems in Estonia. Yadsalohcin (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin this paragraph thing: In September 2018, the company announced it was expanding into micromobility services (scooter and e-bike rental). After launching scooters in Paris, Bolt expanded its micromobility operations across Europe.

and the images above it Ytxct (talk) 18:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The ref starts: "Bolt’s scooter ridership..." and it mentions "scooter and e-bike rental" but nothing about "bicycles" nor any mention of Estonia. A (separate or combined?) list of shared scooter systems would be good... . Yadsalohcin (talk) 23:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP Ytxct (talk) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ycxt That doesn't work as a reference- there's nothing to indicate what the map by 'Ijustwanttoeditwiki - Own work' was based on. Please supply a reference. I haven't time to go further with this. Yadsalohcin (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin i took things into my own hands, : (https://)youtu(dot)be/UEwNVWySp2o Ytxct (talk) 19:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

WHERE ESTONIA V2 since everyone is incomptent

ESTONIA HAS BOLT (and mabye bikeep) IN TALLINN AND TARTU SMART BIKE SHARE IN TARTU, I EVEN HAVE A LINK TO PROVE IN V1 THAT BOLT IS IN TALLINN Ytxct (talk) 11:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)