Talk:macOS

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2023

Hey, I am an older apple fan (i'm 15) and have been a big fan of aple overall. I'm not here to share my life story or anything, but pplease give me permission to add macOS 14 (Sonoma) that has been recently released to this page! It will be greatly appreciated..! Cosmozinity (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

oh and btw, i'm traveling soon so don't be suprised if I don't reply quick! Cosmozinity (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Tollens (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2023: change information about UNIX 03 certification for macOS 14 Sonoma

macOS 14 Sonoma also seems NOT to be UNIX 03 certified by the Open Group – macOS 13 Ventura seems to be the latest one – according to:

https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xy.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm

So, the sentence

"The first desktop version, Mac OS X 10.0, was released on March 24, 2001. All releases from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard[8] and after are UNIX 03 certified,[9] with an exception for Mac OS X 10.7 Lion.[10]"

should be changed accordingly to:

"The first desktop version, Mac OS X 10.0, was released on March 24, 2001. All releases from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard[8] and after are UNIX 03 certified,[9] with an exception for Mac OS X 10.7 Lion[10] and macOS 14 Sonoma."

Please check/verify. Maybe someone additionally officially ask the Open Group for confirmation and reference that answer too, like in the case of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion? 95.116.186.67 (talk) 17:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xy.htm is weird, as it lists Monterey, not Ventura. The other pages currently doesn't list Sonoma, but I don't know 1) whether the first official release build has to be the one submitted, in which case that build may not have been available until 2023-09-21 and not known to be the official release build, rather than a release candidate, until 2023-09-26, and 2) how long the process takes until you end up with something on the Open Group web site (2022 Wayback Machine archives of the Apple page don't show Ventura until December, but they don't show any archives at all from 2022-08-13 to 2023-11-30, which may indicate no changes in that time frame or may just mean the changes weren't seen by the Wayback Machine because it didn't bother to look for some reason), so, at this point, without further information from the Open Group, we can't conclude anything about the certification status of Sonoma.

So I changed that part to say that everything from Leopard to Ventura has been certified, except for Lion. That needs no updating if Sonoma never gets certified, unless and until 2024's macOS Oxnard gets certified (in which case we add Sonoma to the list of exceptions), and can be updated to Sonoma (with a reference) if it does get certified. That part is now in a form that more clearly indicates that it needs to be updated for every release (which has always been true, given that a reference is needed for each release).

I'll see whether the Open Group suggests a way to contact them about this and, if so, will ask them (and tell them that the xy page needs an update). Guy Harris (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

"https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xy.htm is weird, as it lists Monterey, not Ventura."

Yes. This inconsistense is very strange, and I've never seen it before.

"The other pages currently doesn't list Sonoma, but I don't know 1) whether the first official release build has to be the one submitted, in which case that build may not have been available until 2023-09-21 and not known to be the official release build, rather than a release candidate, until 2023-09-26, and 2) how long the process takes until you end up with something on the Open Group web site".

As I remember correctly: the mention of the latest certified macOS on the Open Group's website in the last years, always correlated with the release date, usually on the very same day of the official release date or at the latest in the next few days after the official release date. Let's wait for the next few days to see whether there will be a change relating Sonoma or not.

"so, at this point, without further information from the Open Group, we can't conclude anything about the certification status of Sonoma"

Yes. But it's somewhat strange.

"So I changed that part to say that everything from Leopard to Ventura has been certified, except for Lion. That needs no updating if Sonoma never gets certified, unless and until 2024's macOS Oxnard gets certified (in which case we add Sonoma to the list of exceptions), and can be updated to Sonoma (with a reference) if it does get certified."

OK. That's a good idea. Thanks.

"That part is now in a form that more clearly indicates that it needs to be updated for every release (which has always been true, given that a reference is needed for each release)."

Yes. Since the certification process of the product by the Open Group has to be taken and the conformance (or non-conformance) be proven and certified every year to be further certified.

"I'll see whether the Open Group suggests a way to contact them about this and, if so, will ask them (and tell them that the xy page needs an update)."

Thanks. Maybe the open group mailing list or email address (Andrew Josey) linked as source for Lion in [10]: https://www.mail-archive.com/austin-group-l[at]opengroup.org/msg02006.html? 95.116.186.67 (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. This inconsistense is very strange, and I've never seen it before. The issue on the xy.htm page could just just be a failure on the part of the web site maintainers. Apple, on several occasions, has botched one or more of the individual release pages under https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/, e.g. omitting one of the OSes, so it may not signify anything at all other than somebody at The Open Group forgetting to update it. I commented on that via TOG's comment submission form, and also separately asked about Sonoma on the same form. Guy Harris (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

"https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xy.htm is weird, as it lists Monterey, not Ventura."

"The issue on the xy.htm page could just just be a failure on the part of the web site maintainers. […] so it may not signify anything at all other than somebody at The Open Group forgetting to update it."

Seems to be corrected meanwhile, now it also lists Ventura, like the other pages in question. But still no certification listing for its successor, Sonoma. 77.6.128.207 (talk) 17:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, they replied to my comment on the xy.htm page, and another comment I made that https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xv7.htm didn't have a "Filter by Standard" button, indicating that both had been "fixed", which they now are, so those presumably were just unintentional errors.

As for the product register, they say an update has been scheduled for tomorrow, so we'll see what's in that update. Guy Harris (talk) 18:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

What's in that update is "Sonoma is now registered". Guy Harris (talk) 18:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for updating the entry.

Additional: what do you think of the idea, also to link under [8] or [9]

this confirmation on Quora, published a year ago from Terry Lambert, by the time Apple Core OS Kernel Team and technical lead on several projects over 8 years at Apple, https://www.quora.com/What-goes-into-making-an-OS-to-be-Unix-compliant-certified – especially in view of the 1st URL in [8] regarding Lions alleged and advertised UNIX certification vs. what is said in [9]) that Apple had to be carried out hunting, was forced to certify, because they were sued by the Open Group for false statements and misleading advertising regarding UNIX certification? 77.3.48.205 (talk) 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Correction: "because they were sued by the Open Group for false statements and misleading advertising and unjustified use the UNIX® trademark for a product without being certified accordingly at that time." 77.3.48.205 (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2023

In the macOS information card on the right, latest release of macOS appears to be 14.1 (23B74) (October 25, 2023; 19 days ago), however, the actual latest version of macOS is 14.1.1, released on Nov. 7, 2023. Powersagitar (talk) 19:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing this out. DFlhb (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Technical details, if you're interested:

That infobox field is kept in a separate template, Template:Latest stable software release/macOS, and transcluded into this page, that way it can be updated in multiple places at once. But we have separate templates for the latest macOS version, and the latest macOS Sonoma version, and only the latter was kept up to date. What I've done is change the macOS template to transclude the Template:Latest stable software release/macOS Sonoma template; that way they'll always be in sync. Next year when a new release comes out, we can just switch the transclusion again to the new release. DFlhb (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2023

macOS (/ˌmækoʊˈɛs/;[6] previously OS X and originally Mac OS X) is an operating system developed and marketed by Apple Inc. since 2001. It is the primary operating system for Apple's Mac computers. Within the market of desktop and laptop computers, it is the second most widely used desktop OS, after Microsoft Windows and ahead of Linux (including ChromeOS).

the last part where gnu/linux is refered as just linux is wrong and should be changes so it is more true and correct 81.234.150.230 (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The name of the family of operating systems in reliable sources is simply "Linux", so that's what we use here. Tollens (talk) 01:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Need a new redirect tag for macOS

The software, macOS, is now onto version 11. So it shouldn't be called OSX anymore, X letter meaning the older version 10. So there should be a new redirect tag leading to this macOS page. Is the word "macOS" okay, or is it 1-2 digits too long? ObiKKa (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by a "redirect tag"? Mac OS X, OS X, and OSX all redirect to macOS, and have done so for quite a while, given that the OS has been called "macOS" ever since macOS 10.12 Sierra, several years before macOS 11 Big Sur. Guy Harris (talk) 06:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)