Talk:Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad

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Why is this page marked for speedy deletions, if needed I can fax a signed letter from the office of HRH giving permission for all the content on this page, and confirming that everything is correct. 84.18.34.6 (talk) talk 15:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

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HRH Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad personally sent me his CV to replace the content on this page. A PDF version of his CV can be downloaded here: http://www.acommonword.com/PrinceGhaziCV.pdf

 (talk) 15:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the edit. Please don't replace the content already here. You are welcome to incorporate any information that is encyclopedic. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 15:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

May I edit the page and remove the incorrect information and replace it with the content he sent in his CV, keeping the same format as the current article? His Royal Highness is concerned that some of the information on this page is incorrect. Shart000 (talk) 15:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome of Pope Benedict XVI in Amman, Jordan

Prince Ghazi gave the welcoming address on the occasion of the pilgrimage of Pope Benedict XVI in Jordan, May 9, 2009. His wide-ranging speech, during Benedict's visit to the new King Hussein Mosque in Amman, shone with erudition and humanity, besides being beautifully structured and composed (observed live on EWTN TV). A valuable account of Muslim-Christian relationships, one hopes that it would become more widely known, and that the Prince's influence would grow, and continue to help with his interfaith initiative. Notable were his references to the pope's kindness to Muslims but also an appeal for Muslim minorities (as on Mindanao). He did not omit mention of historical cruelty of crusader's who "decimated" Christian tribes in Jordan that had "preceded Islam by 600 years." Copied edited version to the article proper, perhaps Wikipedia contributors can edit. 74.195.239.136 (talk) 04:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Done Thelongview (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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partiality

Change the following sentence:

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad of Jordan ... is a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad.

to: according to (source), he is the direct...

Perhaps to some Muslims this is fact, but on wikipedia we treat these as claims — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Newspaper Clippings as Reference

I am adding references to most of the items on this page, there are a few that are only available as newspaper clippings. How do I add a reference to them? Could I upload them somewhere and then use the image as a reference. As they are newspaper clippings, I did not feel it appropriate to upload them to wikimedia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.150.190.6 (talk) 21:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad!!!

The source is the promoting website of the rulers of kingdom? of course they will say so.. A lot are claiming this all over the arab world rulers.. to justify their life longed ruling regime! I am deleting this sentence. Please do not add it back without a real non pov source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmiegestestor (talk • contribs) 14:35, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

• I agree with the fact that this should be deleted, for reasons stated above, but also because Muhammad lived so long ago that almost every Arab and European can trace a line of direct descent back to him. Whoever wrote this sentence obviously has an agenda to promote this individual and his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suhd (talk • contribs) 22:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Changes January 2014‎

Some changes from 27 January 2014‎ by 213.186.180.203 damaged the objectivity and neutrality of the article even more than they had been before. I reverted or edited them to a more appropriate shape. If there is something wrong with these changes, please discuss first. I went through many sources used as refernces /not only in the sections I edited) and it seems to me that the majority of them are not independent - broadly speaking they are promoting the royal family. Please compare what type of sources is used in the German version of the article. That's why I add NPOV and because of this and the usage of external links in the body of the article, also Peacock. Note that this is aimed only against this type of presenting a topic in a wikipedia article, and not against this truly remarkable fugure. --WikiHannibal (talk) 19:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Lineage: As the Hashemite Family ruled the hijaz for almost 1000 years, their lineage is well known. I know of at least one scholar of Arab genealogy who has independently verified (and corrected) the family tree. His sources are mostly from old sources. Wikipedia has a fairly detailed article on the Hashemite family tree here: Hashemite. The point being that it is a rigorously authenticated fact, not a mere claim. What kinds sources would I need to provide? Sulayman Hart 11:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: Sources: I have many binders of news clipping related to Prince Ghazi and the royal family. Could I use these as valid sources? Sulayman Hart 11:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: I will follow up with other points later. Sulayman Hart 11:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

1) Lineage = Even though this may be an important fact for many readers/editors (from "both parties"), from the point of view of the article there are more pressing issues. I would suggest not to write about Muhammad in the lead of the article at all, perhaps just link it to the "House of Hashim". Anyone who is interested in Prince Ghazi genealogy may follow the link (which is now also in the infotable on the right).

Anyway, independent sources should be present in Hashemite, and then there is no need to include (repeat) them in every article about the family. However, the sources in that article are not enough - the tree at the bottom uses 5 sources: the first one is not independetn and the last one is apaprently about 1827+. What's left are three books without page references. Whatever the authors write about the lineage should include the page reference and perhaps full quotation(s). I doubt, for example, that they state that the lineage start with/before Prophet Mohammed. I imagine that hard data about these beginnings are softened by something like "the Hashemites traditionally trace their lineage".. So, page references and context/quotations. And even though for example The New Islamic Dynasties and the previous handbook by Bosworth are valuable, specialists challenge some of the info there about their fields of study. So, more sources, and perhaps more specialised (JSTOR articles, monographies rather than encyclopedias). Please also note that other language versions of Hashemite that speak about the lineage do not claim that it is estabilished (French - Originaires de la péninsule arabique, les Hachémites sont, selon la tradition, les descendants en droite ligne de l'arrière-grand-père de Mahomet; Spanish - "Tras la sustitución de los omeyas por los abbasíes, éstos intentaron presentarse como representantes de los hachemíes, pues hacían remontar su linaje a un hachemí, Abbas ibn Abd al-Muttalib, tío de Mahoma.") Hope this helps --WikiHannibal (talk) 18:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

2) Sources = I cannot answer your question because it is too broad; news clipping can be used but on-line versions of news articles are preferred because information can be verified by anyone by following the link; that also helps the article, for such information can hardly be challenged and removed. You may want to follow the links in the templates I added to the article, especially Wikipedia:Citing sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. BTW when I went through the article again, it is structured like a CV / resume (=>> Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) in an unencyclopedic manner so that might be also considered and changed. --WikiHannibal (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)