AmandaNP
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JayCubby blocked as sockpuppet
2 days ago, you globally locked BMX is on wikibreak right now! as an LTA. Yesterday, JayCubby, the creator of that account, was blocked for sockpuppetry by Primefac. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 19:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is a very puzzling situation cause I feel like I want to AGF, but there is too much here to use AGF, so I've processed a lock in the meantime. -- Amanda (she/her) 02:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Deprotect the redirect page for 9/11
I know WP:WHATABOUT exists (it’s mainly for page deletion but still) but when it comes to page protection and if you’re not trying to compare how “controversial” the things are it’s fine. The page for the actual September 11th attacks that it redirects to are semi protected, so a redirect page that goes to that shouldn’t have extended confirmed protection, especially since it has only been edited a few times since the protection went on (which is a reasonable amount for a redirect page). I propose a trial deprotection of the 9/11 redirect page and, if vandalism returns, raise the level to what you see fit. CharlieEdited (talk) 21:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have several concerns about this. 9/11 has been subject to alternate theories in the past and currently falls under AMPOL CT. Given this is also the year of an election, and disinformation campaigns that have occurred more and more as of recent, I don't think this is good timing either. And beyond that, the talkpage gives a good indication of how unprotection could go wrong, even if it's not related to a page move. I don't see a balanced argument to deprotect it until at least after the election without a more valid reasoning. If you are wishing to edit the redirect, forming consensus and/or using the edit request would be a good idea. -- Amanda (she/her) 02:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not talking about the page for the actual attacks. I am talking about the redirect page. Redirect pages almost never get more vandalism than the page they redirect to, so it makes no sense for the redirect page that is named 9/11 (which is the one I am referring to) to have a higher level of protection than the page it goes to. CharlieEdited (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- (Amanda, you are welcome to leave your own reply but I am also giving my own as I am a (talk page stalker)). I think the reason why redirect pages may have a higher protection than its target is because the target pages needs to be edited every now and then, but for redirect pages, there is usually no good reason to. You could either wait until you reach 500 edits, or better yet, do an edit request. Plus, people may do a cut and past move so I see why the redirect needs to be protected.
- See the redirect page for kiev as an example. The redirect page is fully protected but the target page kyiv is ECP protected. I am almost ECP myself (480 edits). See Wikipedia:Redirect#protection:
Sometimes, a redirect to an article pertaining to a very controversial topic will be fully or, more rarely, semi-protected indefinitely. This is done when any of the following criteria are met:
*There is no reason for it to be edited
- It is frequently expanded into whole articles
- It is an obvious vandalism target
- It redirects and/or refers to a very controversial topic
- IMO, it meets criteria 1, 3 and 4, so its clear why it is protected. Also, 9/11 is actually included in that section so that page will need to change should it be unprotected. JuniperChill (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair. I wasn’t even interested in editing it anyway but I just got caught up in the fact that I keep trying to lower protection on certain pages, (namely Roblox which I still think should go back to semi but Ferret said no and the only real argument against it was “JuSt WaIt To EdIt It”), because for many articles their protection stays way after it’s necessary from admins forgetting about it. CharlieEdited (talk) 17:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not talking about the page for the actual attacks. I am talking about the redirect page. Redirect pages almost never get more vandalism than the page they redirect to, so it makes no sense for the redirect page that is named 9/11 (which is the one I am referring to) to have a higher level of protection than the page it goes to. CharlieEdited (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
For your information
I just saw some vandalism on my watchlist mentioning "Project Ban AmandaNP". Perhaps this is a sockpuppet of someone you encountered before? - ZLEA T\C 04:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Another satisfied customer of some sort...no clue who this could be. -- Amanda (she/her) 08:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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