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Dear Polyamorph, Because this seems to be the only way to send you a message, please excuse this path if it is a misuse. While you provided suggested readings for this 82-year-old on editing, I fear I may not live that long. Would you be kind enough to provide instructions on editing the "Physical Properties" section of the cobalt article where I want to make corrections with this Edit Summary: Replace the nearly identical solid and liquid densities (g/cm3) for cobalt at 8.90 and 8.86 with 8.836 and 7.75 from the 2016 edition of the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, page 12-40 and 4-124, respectively, where the liquid density is 88% of the solid density, which is similar for the adjacent elements (iron and nickel) at 89% and 87%. VatievonHans (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi VatievonHans, I removed the barnstar template but kept your message. To send me a message, just click the blue "New section" at the top of this page, or alternatively click the blue text that says "Click here to start a new topic." in the orange welcome to my talk page message. To reply in an existing section, click on the [edit] text on the top right of the section you want to edit.

Regarding your requested edit, the template which contains the data table is protected, so only experienced users can edit it. This is to prevent users changing to false information, which happens a lot. It is a shame it is necessary because otherwise you would be able to make the edit yourself. I will have a look to see if I can make your requested change on your behalf and get back to you. Polyamorph (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done I only changed the liquid value because the Densities_of_the_elements_(data_page), which contains the recommended value to use for the solid as 8.90 gcm^-3, for consistency across Wikipedia. This value is less than 1% from your requested value, so I hope that is OK. The liquid value should now be 7.75 gcm^-3 as you requested.Polyamorph (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Polyamorph,

Thanks for the help editing the cobalt data where I suspected that the 8.90 value was possibly from rounding 8.86 to 1 decimal place. Even the CRC shows 8.9 for sp. gr. (20 °C) for cobalt in "The Elements" section (p. 4-10). The CRC data does support the exception (from solid density > liquid density) for Bi, Ga, and Ge where liquid density is 103%, 103%, and 105% of the solid density, respectively. Do you think that would be worth adding to those sites? VatievonHans (talk) 20:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @VatievonHans: I just checked our internal reference table for liquids, here: Densities_of_the_elements_(data_page)#Density,_liquid_phase, and the recommended value to use for Co is 7.75 gcm^-3. So I am not sure why this wasn't used in the infobox. Anyway, that's fixed. Si also experiences contraction on melting, and the expansion on melting for Sb is exceptionally low (< 1 %). It is definitely worth making sure our data tables reflect this consistently across wikipedia. Polyamorph (talk) 05:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia B. P. values

Dear Polyamorph,

This is VatievonHans who is unable to login on my new Pavilion PC or to reset my password. I have graduated from densities & m. p. to b. p. Below are issues for your consideration because I am not qualified to change b. p. values on Wikipedia. Because Wikipedia accepts the b. p. temp from Zhang et al. (J. Chem. Eng. Data 2011, 56, 328-337) for Tb at 3396 K rather than the CRC value at 3503 K (or 103% of Zhang) and for Ir at 4403 K rather than the CRC value at 4701 K (or 107% of Zhang), should the current b. p. temp at 1802 K for Eu on Wikipedia be replaced with the 1713 K value from Zhang et al. (where 1802 K is 105% of Zhang)?

For Gd, Wikipedia & Zhang claim b. p. at 3273 K, but the 2016 CRC shows (p. 4-14) 3273 °C (not K) and adding 273 = 3546 K (which is 108.34% of 3273). Zhang et al. do show (in Table 1) a CRC value of 3546 K as well as values of 3533 K and 3539 K from two other handbooks along with 3273 K (°C?) from two different handbooks.

Below is my 9/13/23 email to the corresponding author for Zhang et al. (before I noticed the Gd issue).

Dear Professor Shoufeng Yang:

Concerning J. Chem. Eng. Data 2011, 56, 328-337, the "corrected" B. P. values are the same in Tables 11 & 13 for Ba, Be, C, Pd, Pr, Rh, Sn, and Y, but the Yb value in Table 11 is 116% of the value in Table 13 (1703 vs 1466 K), the Tm value in Table 11 is 110% of that in Table 13 (2203 vs 2003 K), and the Nb values differ slightly at 100.9% (5017 vs 4973 K). Perhaps errata could be submitted to the journal to avoid confusion for other readers. Sincerely, Thomas A. Hinners a recovering chemist 68.108.51.9 (talk) 23:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph,

FYI

Dear Complex/Rational,

Thanks for the help (requiring an editor) in correcting the Wikipedia b. p. for Gd to Kelvin from mislabeled centigrade. I could look at the Gd version history to find how long the error has been there. From my argument above, do you believe the b. p. for Eu should be changed by 5%?

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph,

The Template: Infobox gadolinium version history shows that the b. p. was changed from 3546 K to 3273 K on 21 Feb 2014 by Materialscientist with the summary "consistently updating BP and heat of vaporization per doi:10.1021/je1011086" which is citing the Zhang et al 2011 publication where 3273 °C is shown as Kelvin. The error was only there for 9 years and 8 months.

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 14:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello VatievonHans, apologies for the late reply, is there anything that still needs attention? Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 16:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph,

Whether Eu b. p. should stay at 1802 K (an old CRC value) or be replaced with the Zhang et al 1713 K or the 2016 CRC 1868 K is still open. Per Complex/Rational, "Regarding europium, I'll have to examine the sources more closely. It doesn't look like a simple case of mislabeled units. Complex/Rational 21:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)".

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 01:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph,

Correction to my msg above (for Eu b.p.): That should be 1869 K not 1868 K (via 2016 CRC 1596 °C + 273 = 1869 K). It seems that editor Materialscientist entered the Zhang et al "corrected" b.p. values in 2014 for only some of the lanthanides, such as Pr, Sm, Tb, Gd (erroneous), & Ho.

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Materialscientist: might be best looking at it, since they made the previous changes. Polyamorph (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Just FYI. Materialscientist keeps his notifications turned off, so if you want him to look you'll have to ask him directly. Zaereth (talk) 20:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Zaereth, I'll ask on his talk page. Polyamorph (talk) 20:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't recall why I have updated boiling points only for some elements. My guess is that I selected only those where the correction was large and/or obvious, and skipped those like Eu - Zhang et al. admit that 5% is a minor change, perhaps within the accuracy of their methodology. In other words, I am neutral on this matter, but won't mint changing 1802 to 1713. Materialscientist (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks Materialscientist for your quick response. VatievonHans: Let me know if all is now satisfactory. Best wishes Polyamorph (talk) 06:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph & Materialscientist,

Perhaps then b.p. for Eu should stay at 1802 K which is 105% of the Zhang et al. recommendation of 1713 K and 96% of the 2016 CRC value at 1869 K. Differences of 89 K and 67 K from 1802 K seem surprising to me unless impurity is involved.

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 22:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I see your point, 1802 K roughly sits at the average of the two. I'll move back to 1802 K? Polyamorph (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph,

Thanks for the agreement on 1802 K for Eu b.p. A 1999 version of Lange's Handbook has centigrade that equates to 1800 K.

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Polyamorph (talk) 06:32, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

RM of Koryo-saram

Hi. You closed the discussion at talk:Koryo-saram#Requested move 10 October 2023 with the comment “with no clear MOS rationale one way or the other.” But as I noted, MOS:PEOPLANG gives an unambiguous rationale: “Names for peoples and cultures, languages and dialects, nationalities, ethnic and religious groups, demonyms, and the like are capitalized.” And the normal rules of capitalization only point to the proposed title. Counter arguments were spurious.

If you’re insisting this isn’t so, then the decision needs a more detailed rationale, as it sets a precedent that could affect dozens of article titles.

Thanks.  —Michael Z. 14:13, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

There was no clear consensus from the discussion. MOS based arguments were provided by both sides of the discussion and there was no clear consensus either way, as reflected in my closing statement. Polyamorph (talk) 14:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

In my view opposing arguments cited guidelines but incorrectly interpreted them or made unreasonable leaps. I expected more interpretation of the arguments vis-a-vis the guidelines, rather than just a result based on the WP:VOTE. But I guess no consensus leaves it open to try again with a clearer or more detailed argument. Thank you for closing.  —Michael Z. 14:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

If I'd considered it a vote, I'd have closed as not moved. As you say, it is open to try again. Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 15:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Opening RMs at WP:RM/TR

Hi Polyamporph

Just wondering why you opened the RM at Talk:Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina when the originating requestor had not done so? Generally, in recent times, we don't open discussions on people's behalf - if they want to open a full discussion they should do it themselves and sometimes they just drift away when the request is contested and there's nothing further to be done.

Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru: we used to do so, I have noticed more the nominator is being asked to open the discussion themselves, and I have suggested to users to do this at times but have also opened a few discussions on requesters behalf. I can stop doing this but I think we need a more detailed discussion on how to deal with stale requests. Perhaps the "move" and "discuss" options in the template can be modified so that it is clearer the discuss link is for the requester only (perhaps also a change in the "This is a contested technical request" text), and maybe have a "decline" link if we deem it unsuitable for discussion? Polyamorph (talk) 11:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. Maybe a discussion is needed, not sure. UtherSRG may have some thoughts on this too, as I know they have been working the RM/TR space for a while. Personally when it's stale I just remove it from the page with a final ping to the nominator in the edit summary so they're definitely aware that the nom is not going anywhere without their intervention. I think if someone isn't going to put in the leg work to actually start the RM themselves and defend it properly, it's not our place to do that. I know in the past, in the days of Anthony Appleyard and all that we used to always start the discussion for people, but I thought the move to not doing that any more a bit improvement in terms of not wasting community time unnecessarily. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, I will do that (ping the users in edit summary when I remove stale requests). Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 11:28, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, well that is my preference anyway. Obviously if you think it's not reflective of the wider community consensus then we can also have a discussion about it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Takehiko Yamashina

You closed the proposed move of two pages where one was uncontested as ''no consensus''. Killuminator (talk) 06:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

The move of Morihiro Higashikuni was opposed. After two relistings the RM didnt receive any further comments. You're right that Takehiko Yamashina was in fact uncontested. I'll modify the close and thanks for pointing it out. Polyamorph (talk) 06:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Killuminator:  Done Polyamorph (talk) 06:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

English Wikipedia font

Dear Polyamorph,

I am sure there is a preferred font style and size for English Wikipedia edits, but I can't find them. I am not able to look at printed words and identify the font.

Sincerely, 82-year-old VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 21:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi VatievonHans. I'm not sure what you mean, but the default font for Wikipedia is, I believe, simply sans-serif. It will just use the default sans-serif font for your machine. WP:TYPE is an essay, still under development, that has some additional information. Polyamorph (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Polyamorph,

Thanks for the reply because I want to insert some comments (with the proper font) in the "lanthanide contraction" article on patterns for the b.p. temps and the electron shells.

Sincerely,

VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 00:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Lypske#Requested move 5 November 2023

I would really like to see a justification of your close, since I believe the support votes are not policy-based (UAPLACE is not a guideline as stated there). Thank you. Ymblanter (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done added closing remarks. Polyamorph (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I still disagree, but I will see what I should do about it. Ymblanter (talk) 18:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, no worries. Polyamorph (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

Hi Polyamorph. Hope all is well. You know, I just recently had an opportunity to reflect on my past here, and it brought back a lot of memories. Hard to believe it has been so long. Glad to see you're still around. I just wanted to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas, and a very Happy New Year. Not to mention a great Solstice. Woohoo! The days will soon start getting longer! (Ok, that probably means more here than where you're at.) I hope your holidays a wonderful and may the coming year bring all your wishes true. Here's to many more years to come! Zaereth (talk) 00:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Zaereth, I added my own reflections. It has indeed been a long time, some things have changed a lot, others not so much! Happy Christmas to you too. All the best Polyamorph (talk) 08:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

How should I handle continuous edit warring?

I really am a wikipedia lightweight. Regarding the 3O request, how should I be handling this? What are other possible ways? I try to rephrase the edits, but one editor keeps blindly reverting, rather than correcting. I am trying to assume good faith, but when their comments are along the lines of "Newspapers are not reliable sources", "We don't quote French sources" and "Don't references somebody's older writings when they have had more recent writings" I start to infer that it is the information, rather than the references causing a problem . . . Do we actually have policies like that? --Bertrc (talk) 14:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page Polyamorph (talk) 14:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Lake Ellesmere / Te Waihora#Requested move 25 November 2023

Regarding your close; you say While Lake Ellesmere appears to be the more widely used search term, evidence from reliable sources has also been presented which indicate a preference for the dual name.

You're right that at the end some evidence was provided that scholarly sources trend towards the dual name, but I think you may have missed the earlier evidence regarding news sources and book sources that the evidence regarding scholarly sources didn't rebut, both of which showed an overwhelming preference for the single name.

I would also note that if we aggregate the news and scholarly sources together a clear preference for the single name remains, but I didn't make that argument at the time so I won't go into detail on it here.

In addition, even if we do consider the evidence regarding the scholarly sources to be equal to the evidence regarding the news sources and book sources regarding the WP:COMMONNAME, then in assessing consensus we should be looking at the other arguments presented, and the support those arguments had. In that debate, additional arguments were presented for the single name, and those arguments had greater support among respondents.

I am hoping you would be willing to consider your close? BilledMammal (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't see consensus for the move in that discussion. There are convincing arguments eitherway. The discussion had been running for over a month (with the last comment 10 days ago) so it was time to close. Closure does not prevent further discussion and re-listing. Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Regarding the specific arguments, most of those in opposition are far weaker than those in support. For example, Schwede66's was based on personal experience, EmeraldRange's was completely rebutted, and Daveosaurus' was effectively "use the official name" (the single source they referenced is the entity which determines what the official name of the location is).

Turnagra's argument was decent, with the single piece of evidence regarding the dual name's commonality, but given the lack of support it received combined with the existence of multiple pieces of evidence regarding the single name's commonality, I think there is a consensus there for a move.

However, you mention re-listing; if you aren't willing to change the result, would you at least be willing to relist the discussion, particularly since it had only been relisted once? BilledMammal (talk) 09:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, I'll relist on your request as that would be more efficient than a brand new discussion. Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 09:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 09:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Polyamorph!

Happy New Year!

Polyamorph,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Thank you Amakuru. Happy New Year to you too and thanks for everything you do! Polyamorph (talk) 12:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @TheImaCow: it's a derivative from other files on wikipedia/commons. File:Fibreoptic.jpg is one of the files, I'm trying to find the other files but since I made this 16 years ago I'm struggling to remember! Polyamorph (talk) 06:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@TheImaCow: found the other file File:Laser_glass_slabs.jpg - that's all files used to make the derivative work. I know on commons there is a {{Derived from}} template, is there an equivalent for wikipedia files? Polyamorph (talk) 06:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Perfect, thank you for researching this! I've moved the file to commons, with the "Derived from" template there. (at c:File:OpticsGlass.jpg) Licencing status should be correct now. Respect for still finding the source file after so long!--TheImaCow (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Tungsten talk-page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi,

You deleted a number of remarks from editors that were not you, without leaving an edit-comment. That violates Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines (although admittedly it's only a guideline). It's discourteous to edit or delete other peoples' posts.

I haven't reverted your change, but I think you might consider doing it yourself.

Take care! MrDemeanour (talk) 13:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@MrDemeanour: what do you mean? Are you not aware of talk page archiving? Note also, all of my edits to Talk:Tungsten have edit summaries, so I have no idea what you are referring to. Polyamorph (talk) 13:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm aware of talk-page archiving. I think it's abusive if you do it daily, which you have been doing to Talk:Tungsten. You've been archiving current discussions.

Your edit archiving the thread "wolfram? come on folks" was a fresh and active thread; it shouldn't have been archived, and the edit-comment wss auto-generated, giving no reason for the deletion. MrDemeanour (talk) 18:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

It was not a fresh and active thread - it was a 2021 thread! Just because an IP user makes a driveby comment to an old thread does not make it worth keeping! My edit summary made it clear I was archiving (not deleting) the thread. I have not been archiving the talk daily! I literally just came by to clean it up and am in no way deserving of your accusations that my actions are abusive!! Coming to someone else's talk page with bad faith accusations and doubling down when corrected on the other hand.... Polyamorph (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Woodcote Park Revisions

I don't necessarily have any complaints about the edits you made to the Woodcote Park article. It's just an article that I've been using frequently for a personal project and I'm wondering how you came across it. That's all Ethanshaw908 (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Epsom Riot was featured on the main page and I found Woodcote Park from that page. Having grown up in the area it peaked my interest, so I decided to spruce it up a bit :) Polyamorph (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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German Wiki still shows Gd b.p. at 3273 K

Dear Polyamorph,

Using (in German) my same explanation for asking you to correct Gd b.p. to 3546 K on English Wiki was unsuccessful today on German Wiki. Perhaps the editor there thinks it is just a coincidence that the differences among the 5 handbooks is precisely the difference between centigrade and Kelvin values. Do you have access to the 2 handbooks (cited by Zhang et al. by German Wiki) that claim 3273 K to see if they are actually centigrade? Perhaps those handbooks could be in error rather than the UK authors made the mistake in their comparative analysis using data from 5 handbooks. Regards, VatievonHans 68.108.51.9 (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate you striking that bit. 28bytes (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hopi Dictionary Move Was an Error

I don't think you've actually ever held this book. The entire title is NOT just Hopi Dictionary, but includes the Hopi Title as part of the complete title of the work. It is NEVER cited in linguistic literature as just "Hopi Dictionary". See the cover at [1] and just look at the reviews cited in the Bibliography. It is NEVER cited as "Hopi Dictionary". This article should be moved back to where it was--at the correct title of the book. I could cite fifty articles in linguistics and anthropology scholarly works that cite it in full and don't make an atrocious anglocentric truncation. Move this article back to the actual title of the book. "Hopi Dictionary" is NOT its title. TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I moved it following a technical request by Dream out loud at WP:RM/TR. You can request it be moved back, as an undiscussed move, if you wish. Polyamorph (talk) 19:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I have submitted a request for a revert at WP:RM/TR. I'm not a fan of making a page move without starting on the Talk Page of the article. I spent a dozen years involved in the move of Kiev to Kyiv so the notion of a major page move "in the dark of night" is anathema to me. --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 03:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done I performed your request. Dream out loud can submit a formal WP:RM if they still feel there is justification to move. Polyamorph (talk) 05:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 18:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)