Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Breeze Song Gao

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breeze Song Gao edit

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asssuming the Chinese references document what they are being used for, they don't show anything that amounts to notability. WP:RUNOFTHEMILL is the relevant rule here.

There's been considerable discussion whether the cutoff for shopping malls should be 50,000 sq m , or 100,000--but this is 13,000. DGG ( talk ) 07:46, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Could possibly be merged to Breeze Center. Over at zh.wikipedia, there's a single article covering all the branches of this chain. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:19, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here are the sources Heeheemalu (talk · contribs) included in the article:
1. "(Chinese)微風松高開幕估首日1500萬元". Taiwan News.
2. "(Chinese)微風松高開幕　出動86名模特兒". Apple Daily News.
3. "(Chinese)微風松高進駐信義區　吸客漩渦打造共榮圈". www.cardu.com.tw.
4. "(Chinese)藏壽司微風松高店11月26號開幕". www.tw-tw.com.tw.
These sources provide significant coverage of the shopping mail's origins and its tenants and amenities. In addition, this article from the Vogue and this article from Hong Kong Economic Times Holdings's U Lifestyle discuss the mall. There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Breeze Song Gao to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breeze Center is about a shopping center in Songshan District, Taipei, Taiwan, while Breeze Song Gao is about a shopping mall in Xinyi District, Taipei, Taiwan. They likely are part of the same chain. I don't think Breeze Song Gao can be merged to Breeze Center without there being undue weight issues. I would be fine with a merge to a single article covering all branches of the chain but as a chain article does not currently exist, I support retention over deletion since the subject meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 08:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into single article. Does not warrant new article for every branch of the chain. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 12:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

merging on that basis seems a good idea, We cab rename the chain article appropriately. DGG ( talk ) 11:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, already appears to be a good level of sourcing. I disagree with the merge proposal as I believe this article is notable on its own. NemesisAT (talk) 18:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, this article was nominated for deletion only a few hours after creation. Per WP:BEFORE, I think there should have been more time given to allow the article to grow without the fear of people's work being deleted. NemesisAT (talk) 18:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Editors should not publish articles before they are ready for the mainspace. No editor has an obligation to 'wait and see', and when articles are not flagged initially they are often never flagged at all, and we end up with countless unsuitable articles. As for appearing to have a "good level of sourcing" - four of the five sources are routine stories re the opening of a new mall, the fifth is apparently about a department store going bankrupt. The coverage is just routine news about a new mall opening, and as noted in the nom, there is a consensus that malls of this size are generally not notable. Performing a headcount of sources is not always enough to determine notability. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 13:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Breeze Center and make a chain article per everyone else. Cunard's note about keeping the article until a chain article is made can be fulfilled with a merge AfD result, because that only creates a tag asking someone to do the merge. Perhaps add a note that the merger should only merge if they are willing to make the chain article. Jumpytoo Talk 20:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting a third time to encourage more input here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.