Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Covino and Rich

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 19:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this radio show meets the notability requirements for Wikipedia articles. The article feels like an advertisement for a small radio show which just happened to be broadcasted on SIRIUS XM Radio. Most of the references cited are just links to videos on YouTube or their Facebook page. There is also a draft about Steve Covino who is one of the hosts of the show which was declined for submission because "submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article". The same issues also appear on this article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how much "notoriety" is needed to maintain a Wiki, but the show's hosts were on international TV and radio platforms for over 15 years between their radio show on Sirius XM, their TV show on SNY, and their TV show on ESPN. The hosts are actively looking for more TV opportunities in addition to continuing to broadcast their radio show via podcasting on Patreon and Twitch. The pandemic severely affected their careers. If they were to once again return to television, I would assume that the new show would be listed on the Wiki of the network they would be employed by. The existing article should remain to chronicle their career and future endeavors, especially as they are both in their 40s and have plenty of time to grow their notoriety. Let me know if more sources are needed to help. Mercerboy (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mercerboy, I've tried to find some notable sources about this show, but I haven't been able to find a major source other than the New York Daily News article, which is the most notable source used. If you can find some by all means add them to this discussion. But it should be noted that an account under the name Covinoandrich had edited the article years ago and has been blocked indefinitely since September 2013. There is a neutrality issue with this article. And a look at their edit history shows a conflict of interest. Thus the notability of this article is clearly a concern. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to try and find a way to enhance the "neutrality" of the article. As I am not a regular editor, I would need to find some guidance on this.

As for their show on Sirius/XM - since they did not renew their contract, SXM would have removed most if not all of their previous references to the actual radio show on the platform. The show was broadcast on SXM from January 2005 until February of 2021. The hosts are still employed by the company but only in their "DJ" roles on stations such as SXM Turbo with Covino and Pop2K with Rich Davis

There are a few articles which reference interviews from their SXM radio show where "entertainment news" was made with celebrities such as How Serious Are Zooey Deschanel And ‘Property Brothers’ Star Jonathan Scott? and This Is Us’ Chrissy Metz Shoots Down Rumors She’s Engaged to Bradley Collins. Their YouTube page has multiple video interviews with some of the celebrities they interviewed while on Sirius/XM.

I did find another write-up from the NY Post referring to the SNY show.

Not sure who controlled the Covinoandrich handle. I believe that there were some instances when the Wiki had been altered as a joke, usually referring to something that was heard on the show. The article should probably be restricted for editing as radio show listeners have a tendency to enjoy "pranks." Mercerboy (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is only a few articles and the interviews with celebrities don't help much to establish notability. Almost anyone who is on the radio can get interviews with actors and such. Unfortunately, this makes deletion favorable. And the article doesn't need to be protected from vandalism. Right now the debate over deletion is the more pressing concern. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mercerboy, have you found anything? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Advertisement, not notable, bad sources, and the ones provided by Mercerboy don't look like enough, plus that New York Post article isn't even about this. This article looks like it's confused as to whether it's about the radio show or the hosts, so it decided to do both. And voicing such memorable characters as "Cholo" in a Grand Theft Auto game (without clarifying which one; it could be London 1969 for all I know) isn't notable since those are minor NPCs. AdoTang (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I find it notable. We learn so much on Wikipedia about people who we have no information about. If we attempt to delete every article due to our personal point of views than there is no need to visit this great encyclopedia to learn about people who we knew nothing about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lebtimes (talk • contribs) 01:02, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like you're just trying to say you want to keep it because you like it and think it's interesting. You're new, and your only edits so far have been to AfD, so here's a few quick tips:

What you find notable may not actually be notable. See WP:GNG for guidelines on what is and isn't deemed notable on Wikipedia. These also branch out to other notability guidelines for different topics.
Articles are not kept based on how interesting they may be, how much you or others like it, or if we have information on that person. There's no Wikipedia article about you, is there? Exactly. And don't create one, because it'll be gone within an hour.
No one is deleting this due to their personal point of view. It's being put up for deletion due to it basically being an advertisement without notable, verified sources.

AdoTang (talk) 02:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AdoTang, I suggest striking his keep vote since he has been editing keep on three Afd's where the same issues on notability are questioned. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I did find one article in Men's Health with some pretty good coverage, but other than that it was all routine advertising blurbs for their program. No reviews or academic citations of their program came up in a newspaper archive search, PROQUEST search, JSTOR search, SAGE search, GOOGLE Books or Scholar, etc. Ultimately lacks enough sources to pass WP:ENTERTAINER or WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 19:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.