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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:JOURNALIST and WP:BASIC. Among the three cited sources, only TheHindu makes a passing mention, the entire Baasha India site is dead and the other one is not a news source and is also dead. Can't find any other WP:RS about the subject on the internet. SUN EYE 1 08:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Per WP:JOURNALIST. He is (or at least was) the editor of a major magazine (per the second source) and appears to be widely cited (e.g. [1], [2], [3]) by his peers. Brycehughes (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Brycehughes, He was the editor of the magazine till 2015 per his linkedin profile (now there is a new editor) and the magazine is a Tamil language magazine primarily known in only one state in India. The links you gave were WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, is there at least one source with WP:SIGCOV because I couldn't find anything with Significant coverage about him. SUN EYE 1 12:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Take a look at this and note how many times he is quoted as an expert commentator in various news sources around India and the world, including the Hindustan Times, The Economic Times, the Times of India, and Gulf News. Moreover, note that that "one state in India" is larger than most countries in the world. He is clearly notable. Brycehughes (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Brycehughes, I do not disagree with you on that but what wiki policy supports the notability of him based on his comments if there is no WP:SIGCOV about him. SUN EYE 1 14:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Suneye1, you neglect to mention that the one state in India in which the magazine is primarily known is more populous than all but two countries in Europe. And what does it being in Tamil have to do with notability? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought the other user might think that the magazine is circulated in all of India where Tamil is spoken only by less than six percent of the population. SUN EYE 1 03:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the absolute number that matters, not the percentage in a nation state. There are about 70 million native speakers of Tamil, so anything published in that language has a very large potential audience. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep @Suneye1: Thank you for bringing this now I have added more references and details to evaluate the Notability. -Neechalkaran (talk) 02:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Neechalkaran, I appreciate the effort but you have added awards from his linkedin profile and a government pdf and some content from his personal website. I doubt these are WP:RS and none of those sources were WP:SIGCOV. SUN EYE 1 05:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RationalPuff:: Please reevaluate. The article doesn't represent the person as a editor but also an advisory of Various National and State level institutions.-Neechalkaran (talk) 10:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Brycehughes -- the guideline (XNGs aren't policy) that supports his notability is NJOURNALIST. "Merely being editor with the major newspapers" is NCREATIVE#3, and Brycehughes also demonstrates he passes NCREATIVE#1. Vaticidalprophet 23:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Shouldn't the article pass WP:BASIC before WP:NJOURNALIST. WP:BASIC states "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable...". There is currently no WP:RS with Significant coverage about the subject.SUN EYE 1 08:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Notability is not justified. fails WP:GNG. GermanKity (talk) 02:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GermanKity: Please refer Significant coverage on citation 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14,15-Neechalkaran (talk) 10:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Neechalkaran: None of these references are about him. Merely news articles quoting his words doesn't count. Article written by him is his job. He doesn't meet either WP:GNG, WP:AUTHOR, WP:POLITICIAN, WP:CREATIVE. Have you got anything else that makes him notable? RationalPuff (talk) 12:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RationalPuff:He is a Translator, writer, Journalist, Political Analyst and State Government Award Receipient. as per Creative professionals, his work thappu kanakku is his well noted work, which has been translated in various languages. I can't list his all books, as it's reference are citied in commerical websites. He travelled along with various Indian Prime Ministers as member of official journalist crew. Council member of Sahitya Akademi, Lalikala Academy, Raja Rammohum Roy Library Foundation and more. Senate Member of Various Universities.-Neechalkaran (talk) 14:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Neechalkaran: why don't you add all these to the article backing it up with WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV. Quality of information in the article dictates whether or not an article should be on Wikipedia, not solely the the points being made on the AfD. RationalPuff (talk) 09:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You've got it backwards. The question is whether the subject is notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia, not whether the quality of the encyclopedia article renders the subject notable. Brycehughes (talk) 22:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Suneye1:Finally I found the collection of citation for your initial claim for Bharatiya Bhasha Parishad award from http://maalan.co.in/bharatiya-basha-parishad-award-for-creativity/ can you please confirm does this help you? -Neechalkaran (talk) 19:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neechalkaran, please see WP:RS, that is his personal website, also these references you recently added are not reliable too. Please don't take this deletion discussion personally, I nominated this article as it lacked notability.SUN EYE 1 08:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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