Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nova Civitas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Including the nominator, the two editors supporting deletion did so based on a claim of there being no references, and the two editors voting to keep did so based on references that were added by gidonb. This results in a narrow no consensus. (non-admin closure) Jackattack1597 (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article about a Flemish think-tank has no sourcing, and I have been unable to find any significant coverage online or through old newspapers and journals. The article was created in 2006 with no sources, and it has not been updated to include any sources since then. Searching for coverage is a little harder given the language barriers and the name of the organization, but it does not appear this organization has any notability outside of the individual members. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support deletion.weblink isn't available, couldn't find any references, think tank doesn't even exist any more. Tec Tom (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was closed in 2009 and re-established under another name. The new think thank continues to hand out their important award. gidonb (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I only started referencing, but there is no lack of sources. So keep per WP:NEXIST, WP:ORGDEPTH, and WP:NODEADLINE. Nomination seems to imply that there is a deadline. gidonb (talk) 14:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Gidonb, other than brief mentions, are there sources that discuss the organization itself rather than its members? There do appear to be notable individuals involved, but it does not appear to me that the organization itself is notable, including from the two sources you added to the article – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 17:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  wallyfromdilbert, hi there! What do you mean by coverage about members? Are we looking at the same article? gidonb (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Gidonb, neither of the articles you added to the article have any significant coverage of the organization. They are about individuals who were involved in the organization. One of the articles only contains a single mention of the organization [1], while the other only briefly mentions Nova Civitas in relation to several other organizations that were being used as part of a "climate skeptic network" by a group of "climate deniers in Flanders" [2]. What articles discuss the actual organization as notable? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 18:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said before, there is no lack of sources on the think tanks and their operations, including already in the article. Its Prize is very notable and an important part of the operations of the think tanks and counts towards their notability. Next, I'm going to make a few changes in the general setup that will make the entire topic better understood! gidonb (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If the organization or its annual award were "very notable", there should be significant coverage of it in multiple sources, rather than a few short articles (only one to two paragraphs), none of which have author bylines either as they seem to all be based on press releases by the organization itself: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. The only other sources you have added are [8] [9] [10], which barely mention the organization and only in relation to the notable individuals who are related to it, such as Boudewijn Bouckaert. I appreciate you looking for sources, but can you find a single source with significant coverage of the actual organization? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 04:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Libera, previously Nova Civitas, is a famous Belgian think tank. Operations include articles published, prizes awarded, officeholders. You keep trying but the latter is not the focus of the article or the references. There's much more online. Belga, BTW, is the main news agency in Belgium. Compare to Reuters or AP. Obviously it's NOT a PR bureau and their items are not press releases but VERY legitimate articles that go to multiple newspapers. Often when news agencies write articles, the newspaper will still edit these but do not need to write from scratch. So, typically, you will find either the name of the news agency or the journalist. gidonb (talk) 06:47, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- - Also, you recently added a large amount of information that is not supported by the source you cited [11]. Are there independent reliable sources for that information? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 18:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely and thanks for asking! If you give your own diff another look, you will see that the ref was for the 2021 award line! gidonb (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sufficient secondary reliable sources, ongoing significant activity of the organization in Belgium to meet notability. --Chefallen (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.