Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shelby Davis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Giving the benefit of the doubt based on references provided by User:Uucp; strongly encourage that these be integrated into the article, focusing on quality over quantity. Stifle (talk) 12:26, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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References do not support notability. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:18, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if I'm formatting this incorrectly, but this man literally had a biography of him and his father published by Wiley 20 years ago. https://www.amazon.com/Davis-Dynasty-Successful-Investing-Street/dp/047147441X/ This is more notable than probably 90% of the people profiled on Wikipedia. Also google news turned up recent discussion of the man in the Economic Times, Forbes, MarketWatch, Motley Fool, and countless others. Put a 'needs citations' tag on it at most. Uucp (talk) 03:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The subject is employed to offer tips in the Economic Times and CNN Money. The employement annoucement is offered as a the 2nd reference at [1]. The 2nd ref is behind a paywell, but it looks to be by somebody else. The 4th ref is a front page of a business. It is non-rs. The 1st is a book on Google Books. This is a BLP and there is no real secondary references. Doing a before find several references about investment tips, which are mostly profiles. There is nothing here that prove he is notable. scope_creep^Talk 14:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Humbly disagree with this. Poster above seems to have misread the sentence "This month, Money welcomes one of America's premier financial journalists to its ranks--mutual fund specialist Jason Zweig. His reports will appear each month." Zweig is the journalist. Davis was the subject of his first article for Money Magazine. Davis retired from being a money manager about 25 years ago. He has never been a journalist. If he is being written about in newspapers and magazines, it's because he is notable, not because he is writing about himself.Uucp (talk) 04:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I did a proquest search for Shelby Davis. Here are excerpts from the first page of hits, omitting press releases and articles about other people with similar names:

- Shelby Davis: Insider interview. Frailey, Fred W.  Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine; Washington Vol. 47, Iss. 8,  (Aug 1993): 66.
- New York Venture Fund: Shelby Davis. Money; New York Vol. 24, Iss. 10,  (Oct 1995): 97
- ValueWalk: Shelby Davis -- Part Five: A Lasting Legacy. Mar 31, 2015.
- ValueWalk: Shelby Davis -- Part Four: Not Just An Investor. Mar 29, 2015
- ValueWalk: Shelby Davis -- Part Three: The Davis Double Play. Mar 26, 2015
- ValueWalk: Shelby Davis -- Part Two: Rules for Investment Success. Mar 20, 2015
- Shelby Davis' investment tips to achieve long-term success. Nagar, Anupam.  The Economic Times; New Delhi [New Delhi]. 15 Aug 2021
- Philanthropist gives Macalester $13.5 million for scholarships. Tosto, Paul.  McClatchy - Tribune Business News; Washington [Washington]. 06 Mar 2008.
- Life father like sons.  Frick, Robert.  Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine; Washington Vol. 53, Iss. 6,  (Jun 1999): 80-85
- Waiting for Godot? Clements, Jonathan.  Forbes; New York Vol. 142, Iss. 11,  (Nov 14, 1988): 176

All of these articles are either about Davis or quote him prominently. This is the first page of 26 pages of hits. At a glance, additional articles about Davis appeared in the Financial Times, Fortune Magazine, U.S. News and World Report, Women's Wear Daily (about Davis and his wife), Crane's New York Business, and many articles in the Wall Street Journal and New York Times, spanning a wedding announcement in 1959 to the present day. Davis is retired but was a notable investor and businessman when he was working, and is a notable philanthropist now. Uucp (talk) 04:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These references do not support notability.
Shelby Davis: Insider interview. Frailey, Fred W. Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine; Washington Vol. 47, Iss. 8, (Aug 1993): 66. -- interview (primary source), cannot establish notability.

- Are you seriously claiming that if somebody is interviewed by a notable publication that this makes them *not* notable because they are the person being interviewed? The very existence of this interview demonstrates Davis's notability Uucp (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

New York Venture Fund: Shelby Davis. Money; New York Vol. 24, Iss. 10, (Oct 1995): 97 -- i can't tell what this is, and presumably neither can you, because proquest just has bibliographic info. it's only 1 page long fwiw. i would assume it is about the more famous Shelby Cullom Davis, absent further info.

ValueWalk: Shelby Davis -- parts 1-5 - this is a "multi-part series on Shelby Cullom Davis" (not the subject of this discussion), and the publisher of the blog posts is not significant enough to have a Wikipedia article.

Shelby Davis' investment tips to achieve long-term success. Nagar, Anupam. The Economic Times; New Delhi [New Delhi]. 15 Aug 2021 - this is about Shelby Cullom Davis, not the subject of this deletion discussion

Philanthropist gives Macalester $13.5 million for scholarships. Tosto, Paul. McClatchy - Tribune Business News; Washington [Washington]. 06 Mar 2008. This is a 143-word article about making a donation. Nice but does not earn you a Wikipedia article.

Life father like sons. Frick, Robert. Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine; Washington Vol. 53, Iss. 6, (Jun 1999): 80-85. Unclear how much of this is about the subject of this discussion. Do you know, Uucp? The abstract is "The patriarch of the Davis family of funds, Shelby Davis, [i.e. not the subject of this discussion] taught his progeny to work hard for what they get in life and to play hard too. And that's what they do." which does not seem promising.

- Almost certainly an article about the subject of this discussion, who has two sons who have gone into money management. Note the use of the plural. Uucp (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Waiting for Godot? Clements, Jonathan. Forbes; New York Vol. 142, Iss. 11, (Nov 14, 1988): 176. This might qualify as an independent, reliable source (can't really tell because Proquest only has bibliographic info) but it is the only one we have have. And it is only one page. Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

*Keep agree with Uucp assessment. Peter303x (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC) Striking blocked sock. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peter303x did you see that most of the references Uucp listed relate not to Shelby Davis (the subject of this discussion) but his father Shelby Collum Davis? Not wanting to hound/badger but just wanted to make sure you had seen my inventory and still think the article should be kept. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually now I'm looking at the book ''The Davis Dynasty: Fifty Years of Successful Investing on Wall Street''. This is a good source. Wondering if this plus the remaining very thin sources would be sufficient. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's continue. Providing extensive text to demonstrate that these are not passing mentions. The discussion of Shelby Davis is more than shown here; I'm providing brief excerpts. Note that in the following, The New York Times calls the subject of this discussion "the legendary fund manager Shelby Davis" and Money magazine calls him "a legend". I boldfaced these for this discussion. The New York Times and Money call him a legendary investor. This is not close.

"A different kind of fund family; Third-generation scion makes mark at Davis investment firm" Quinson, Tim. Austin American Statesman; Austin, Tex. [Austin, Tex]. 21 Dec 1996: 3. "Chris Davis' father, Shelby Davis, took a similar approach, though on a broader canvas -- understanding everything there was to know about a company before he put his money or his investors' money there. Not surprisingly, like his father, Shelby Davis also managed to rack up a stellar investment record, running top-ranked mutual funds for the better part of 30 years."
Philanthropists Bank on Investments in Higher Education. International Educator; Washington Vol. 14, Iss. 6, (Nov/Dec 2005). "Investment banker Shelby Davis this fall is helping pay for nearly 700 college students from 100 countries to attend college in the United States. As a result of his generosity over the past five years, reports the Boston Globe, enrollment of foreign students at a number of colleges and universities during that time has jumped significantly: from 6 percent to 10 percent at Colby College and from 6 percent to 8 percent both at Wellesley College and Princeton University, for example."
"All in the Davis Family: Still Picking Winners" Virginia Munger Kahn. New York Times, Late Edition (East Coast); New York, N.Y. [New York, N.Y]. 08 Feb 1998: 8. WHEN the name is Davis, the phrase family of funds can be used literally. Christopher and Andrew Davis, sons of the legendary fund manager Shelby Davis and grandsons of Shelby Cullom Davis Sr., who founded Davis Selected Advisers in 1947, have been nurtured in the family business since childhood. Now both are managing Davis funds and compiling enviable records."
The Great Divide: Stocks Vs. Funds: Two experienced advisers debate the merits of selecting individual stocks versus mutual funds for clients. Special Report. Financial Planning; New York (Dec 1, 1998): 59-72. This is the transcript of a debate, in which the participants debate for a time how good of a money manager Shelby Davis actually was. They are discussing the subject of this article. We know this because they use the present tense, and the older Shelby Davis was by 1998 already dead. "Shelby Davis' performance via a fair benchmark is not all that impressive. I've said that for a long time. One of the problems is what benchmark you compare people to. Compare Shelby Davis to the appropriate benchmark and I don't think Shelby Davis has particularly extraordinary returns."
Top financial experts help you maneuver through '98 USA TODAY's 2nd annual Investment Roundtable: [FINAL Edition] USA TODAY; McLean, Va. [McLean, Va]. 18 Dec 1997: 01E. "Veteran money manager Shelby Davis, of Davis Selected Advisers, one of the best mutual fund management firms, revealed he is suffering from what ails many investors these days: alternating fears of boom or bust."
Opportunity takes place all around the world: World college offers free tuition to eligible students. Brooks, T. Michigan Chronicle; Detroit, Mich. [Detroit, Mich]. 27 Jan 1999. "Shelby Davis, founder, majority owner and Chief CEO of Davis Selected Advisers, L.P., a mutual fund and money management firm with over $20 billion under management and his wife Gale, gave the United World College a gift of $45 million to be used as an endowment for scholarships to eligible students."
What Becomes a Legend Most? Woolley, Suzanne. Money. Jul2000, Vol. 29 Issue 7, p44 "Shelby Davis loves to research stocks. And investors love him for it: His Davis New York Venture Fund has racked up an average annualized return of 15% since he founded it in 1969, trumping the S&P 500's 12.8%."

Would you like more? I can provide more easily, because Shelby Davis has been discussed in prominent publications for over fifty years. Keep Uucp (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Above we have documentation that Shelby Davis was considered a "legendary" asset manager by The New York Times and Money Magazine, both of which wrote about him repeatedly and interviewed him, and that a biography was written about Davis and his father. He has also been written about in dozens of other publications dating back decades. Davis should qualify as notable on the basis of his business accomplishments alone. But, as suggested in the "International Educator" piece quoted above, he is also a significant philanthropist, and per the following citations, I suspect he would qualify as notable on that basis alone as well.
Lewis & Clark: https://www.lclark.edu/offices/international/financial_aid/davis_scholarship/ "Shelby and Gale Davis Visited Lewis & Clark: 2009, 2012. Lewis & Clark is pleased to announce its continuing commitment to the Davis United World College (UWC) Scholars program for the 2020-21 academic year. The Davis United World College Scholars program, generously funded by the Shelby Davis family, entitles graduates of UWCs to receive a need-based grant of up to $10,000 or $25,000* per year towards the costs of undergraduate study at Lewis & Clark." Note that they brag of his having visited their campus.
Semester at Sea: https://www.semesteratsea.org/scholarships/davis-uwc-scholars/ "Shelby Davis is the founder of the Davis United World College Scholars Program, which allows hundreds of students from around the world to attend U.S. colleges and universities. The goal of the Davis Scholars Program is to foster global awareness and understanding to improve international relations."
Brandeis: https://www.brandeis.edu/admissions/affordability/scholarships-fellowships/index.html "Each year, The Davis United World College Scholars Program provides a $10,000 grant from the Shelby Davis Foundation. This grant is awarded to admitted students who demonstrate financial need and are graduates of a United World College."
University of Florida: http://www.honors.ufl.edu/academics/global-honors/davis-uwc-scholars/ another page bragging of his visiting campus to see students whose tuition he was paying for
Tufts: https://admissions.tufts.edu/tuition-and-aid/applying-for-aid/international-student-aid/ "The Davis United World College Scholars program, generously funded by the Shelby Davis family, entitles graduates of United World College Schools (UWC) to receive a need-based grant of up to $10,000 per year toward the costs of undergraduate study at Tufts."
Wartburg College: https://www.wartburg.edu/2020/08/12/leading-educational-philanthropist-shares-his-message-with-wartburgs-davis-scholars/ "Growing up, Shelby Davis’ parents laid out a roadmap for his future: education, hard work, and philanthropy…"
Colorado College: https://sites.coloradocollege.edu/givingstories/2016/06/02/davis-united-world-college-scholars-co-founder-comes-to-cc-shares-road-map/ "Shelby Davis receives Colorado College honorary degree at 2016 Commencement Ceremony . . . May 15, 2016, was a big day for Colorado College’s Davis United World College (UWC) Scholars . . ."
The Phuket <Thailand> News: https://www.thephuketnews.com/uwct-receives-us-1mn-grant-from-us-philanthropist-shelby-davis-64171.php "US philanthropist Shelby Davis recently visited UWC Thailand to announce his donation of US$1 million dollars (B33.4mn) in matched funding to the school"
"Montezuma castle, other Las Vegas buildings now open for tours", https://www.abqjournal.com/543931/montezuma-castle-other-las-vegas-buildings-now-open-for-tours.html, "we are lucky that, about 13 years ago, with the generosity of Shelby Davis, we were able to restore much of this castle."
Gifts of $100 million or more to higher education in 2018: https://apicciano.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2019/02/22/gifts-of-100-million-or-more-to-higher-education-in-2018/ "Shelby Davis Founder and former chief executive, now retired, of the investment-management firm Davis Advisors, in Boston $100 million (pledge) Support to endow 100 annual scholarships a year for 20 years to enable international students to attend one of the system’s 17 campuses around the world, including in New Mexico"

And it goes on. I don't even touch his donations to Princeton above. Nor have we tapped the Wall Street Journal archives, which mention him frequently. Just look at the results of a search like this: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22wall%20street%20journal%22%20%22shelby%20davis%22 Uucp (talk) 04:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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