Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XTRA Gaming

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The result was delete. czar 06:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG. Forbes reference is from a "contributor", Esports Insider and ESTNN are a very niche sites~~, and DTS in not independent of the subject~~. A draft of this page exists at Draft:XTRA Gaming. — Pbrks (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. — Pbrks (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. — Pbrks (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't fail WP:GNG Forbes reference is legitimate and every article is mostly made by a Forbes contributor no one can be a contributor the application process is very hard and you need to be accepted and your article needs to be approved by Forbes it's also made by a Senior Contributor. Esports Insider is not really a niche site it is one of the most well-known Esports News Outlets and it is not DTS it is Subnation Media which is the parent company of XTRA Gaming which means it is directly related to XTRA Gaming. You've just copied and pasted what you said on the talk page of Team Vanish and nominated both articles for deletion. I think XTRA Gaming's article should stay up since it's a very well-known North American Esports team and is ranking top 3 in Fortnite Esports in north america. AnonymousReality (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can use Google to look up top Esports News Websites and Esports Insider comes first & second and is very well-known. AnonymousReality (talk) 17:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For now I think we should keep the XTRA Gaming article there's no reason to remove it in my opinion let me know what you think. AnonymousReality (talk) 18:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ESTNN is indeed a somewhat niche Esports News Website but is not 100% "niche" and is very well-known reputable esports news network you can find more information about it on Google also that is a additional reference and the article meets the general notability guidelines the article isn't 100% based on niche articles it only contains 1 which is an additional source and it's not like I added just the ESTNN news reference alone I've added that article just to support statements. I've also noticed you edited your message and added more stuff to it to make it look like a big deal which I think isn't really reasonable don't you think? I think you should've just replied with the updated message but anyways tell me what you think I think we should keep the article up, to me it seems like your just trying to take it down for no valid reason. AnonymousReality (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not trying to remove the article for no good reason; I gave my reason above. I've written plenty of esports articles, enough to know that ESTNN is hardly reputable (I've seen plenty of errors in their works throughout the years). Forbes is iffy -- per WP:VG/RS: Articles written by Forbes contributors do not have the same editorial oversight and may not be reliable. Editors are encouraged to find alternatives to contributor pieces. Esports.gg is certainly not reliable. Even if Esports Insider is considered a reliable source, these four references are not enough to demonstrate notability. — Pbrks (talk) 04:21, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the guy that wrote the forbes article isn't just a contributor he's well-known and he's a Senior Contributor, ESTNN is sort-of niche but the wikpedia article isn't based on non-reputable articles, Esports.gg is new but doesn't have teh best reputation butthey don't write on anything and everything, esports is very new to the community and is hardly accepted by anyone I wrote this article because XTRA has done plenty of accomplisments that I think are notable. Just letting you know Esports.gg Is very new and has been launched in late march so I agree about it not being very reliable. In my opinion Esports Insider and the Forbes article are both enough to demonstrate notability, i've seen a lot of articles with 1 forbes article and 1 other random article and never ever been deleted and if it was nominated for deletion they would keep it up. I'm a new Wikipedia writer and contributor and I'm trying to give & feed people information about Esports Teams & Organizations since I realise there's this stereotype where people don't agree and think Esports is stupid especially on Fortnite, Fortnite is a fairly new Game but is vey big but I haven't seen a single article about a Fortnite Esports Team. Fortnite is a game that's hard to get press and articles published by news outlets for Esports Teams and overall get written about. Like i've said XTRA Gaming is ranking top 3 on North America Fortnite Esports and is one of the most reputable Fortnite Esports team, they are also constantly trying to expand their rosters in different games. So, let's just get to a consensus and keep this article up. AnonymousReality (talk) 13:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forbes contributors are generally not reliable per WP:FORBESCON. The other Esports sources have not been tested for reliability but are unlikely to pass it. IceWelder [✉] 15:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to get them tested somehow? AnonymousReality (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WT:VG/RS or WT:RSN. These discussions can take long, though, so they should not be covered within the scope of this AfD. From a first glance, none of three is likely to pass as all are "by gamers for gamers"-type of sites, not experienced journalists. IceWelder [✉] 06:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Sources are pretty iffy as discussed above. Even if the Forbes contributor is deemed reliable, one or two sources from the same person wouldn't be enough. If there were sources from publications listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Esports I'd be more inclined to keep, but at the moment the article does not have the significant coverage required by GNG. The article can be incubated in the Draftspace and submitted when it is ready. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 19:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Sources don't satisfy WP:GNG Dexxtrall (talk) 22:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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