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InternetArchiveBot 3
The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. To request review of this BRFA, please start a new section at WT:BRFA. The result of the discussion was
 Approved.
(BRFA Approved BRFAs talk contribscount SUL logs page moves block logrights log flag)
Operator: Cyberpower678 (talk · contribs ·SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log ·rights log · ANI search)
Time filed: 19:17, Tuesday, June 4, 2019 (UTC)
Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: automatic
Programming language(s): PHP
Source code available: Not at current
Function overview: Bluelink Book references where ever possible.
Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Unanimous discussion
Edit period(s): Continuous
Estimated number of pages affected: mainspace
Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes
Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): Yes
Function details: IABot will go through a DB subset of information as well as crawl through recent changes to maintain an index of available books and cited books. It will use that to derive which pages have cited books that can be blue linked and make the edit. The end result is that the page title and/or the page number will be a link to the previewable book. If the title is already wikilinked somewhere else, only the page number is linked, vice-versa. If there is a page number, IABot will provide a direct link to the page in the book for readers to look at. If not, the book will be linked without a page number. Links to book searches and for-profit entities will be replaced.
Discussion
Does the bot also work with citations that have no ISBN and/or books where there is more than one book, edition etc. under the same title? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:05, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Jo-Jo Eumerus, in the future it will but for now it will only deal with ISBNs. ISBNs are unique to editions. Down the road it will handle matching of books missing ISBNs. —CYBERPOWER (Around) 03:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Approved for trial (50 edits). Please provide a link to the relevant contributions and/or diffs when the trial is complete. As per usual, please perm link contribs here when done & take all the time you need, Cyberpower678. --TheSandDoctor Talk 07:29, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Trial complete. Edits with bugs were reversed and re-attempted after the bug was fixed. This was a controlled manual run.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Ping the TheSandDoctor​.—​CYBERPOWER​(​Chat​) 14:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I have few queries:
  1. Why is both the page number linked to the url, and |url= set to that same url? That creates two links in the citation that link to the same place, which seems strange/confusing. General practice from what I've seen seems to be to only add a link using |url=.
  2. I don't think Google Books links should be removed, as that would for one create a heavily reliance on Archive.org - meaning if, for some reason, Archive.org had to stop offering page previews/this form of library loan, we would lose out links to Google Book previews. It would also be overriding the decisions of individual editors to include Google Books links, and individual editorial decisions shouldn't be overriden by a bot IMO. Wikipedia:Citing sources#Linking to Google Books pages is somewhat relevant.
Also, I'm curious at a ballpark how many edits you think the bot will make. There are about a million articles with ISBNs, so I'd think >~100000?
Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Galobtter, thanks for the questions. This was made after careful consideration. It makes it easier for the reader to access the book preview. As is in many cases a lot of book references are wiki-linked to a different article making the title unavailable to be linked via url=. Also in terms of ease of access, I believe that if a reader looked at the reference and wanted directed access to the material/page, they are more likely to click on the page number. That was the general idea behind it. Hence I made a demo edit and proposed it as such in the linked discussion above which got unanimous support. In regards to the second question, the logic behind that is moving from a for-profit organization to a non-profit organization that gives free access to the complete book seemed like a no brainer. The page number in a Google Books URL is not lost and is carried over to the new URL. So in short the readers will still see the same book, and same page, just on a different site. As for the ballpark, the initial run is calculated to be around 120,000 pages. After that it monitors for additions to the archive.org library and watches for changes in recent changes. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 20:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Re Google Books. "Google Books is a bit of a ghost town. The Google Books blog, and Google’s library newsletter were shut down long ago. And the leading visionaries behind Google Books have all moved on to dream other dreams.". There are other articles about the possible demise of Google Books. Google has shut down other favorite services (RSS reader etc) so its long-term viability is uncertain. OTOH archive.org is taking this as an opportunity and devoting a lot of resources to be a bigger and better Google Books. As it should be as a non-profit library which is always preferable over a commercial book seller. -- GreenC 15:13, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 Approved. Under normal circumstances, I would prefer to leave the close for someone else. However, given the backlog, lack of recent BAG activity (myself included), and the fact that this task is uncontroversial and based on how well the trial went, I am inclined to make an exception for this. As per usual, if amendments to - or clarifications regarding - this approval are needed, please start a discussion on the talk page and ping. --TheSandDoctor Talk 00:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. To request review of this BRFA, please start a new section at WT:BRFA.
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