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Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker edit

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker to Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954), per nom, to match article title. - jc37 02:42, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954). An alternative rename was opposed at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
@Sprachraum, Armbrust, and Good Olfactory: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this version and instead propose Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker (born 1954) – which was my original proposed name change at Speedy Rename. That is what should be discussed here, because no-one engaged on the actual merits of that name at the previous discussion. It was opposed solely because it doesn't meet the exact C2D speedy criteria.

To sum up: Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954) used to be at Wolfgang Becker, which is now a DAB page, since there is another German film director of this name: Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1910) – who I had moved from his previous name page Wolfgang Becker (editor) – see (DAB-discussion here). Obviously a new category name is warranted; there were four films from WB (* 1954) in it, and one from WB (* 1910), before I came along.

My naming choice keeps it simpler, since "Films directed by" already makes the "director" part clear. Repeating that in the parentheses is redundant. I looked at over 500 existing category names of film directors to see how they deal with a "director" disambiguation, and the vast majority of similar cases don't include (director) in the category name, e.g.: Films directed by Mike Mitchell, Films directed by George Marshall, Films directed by Robert Stevenson, Films directed by Michael Anderson, Films directed by John Glen and Films directed by Zhang Yang – I could go on. There are a couple of examples for the redundant version, like Category:Films directed by Scott Sanders (director), but these are far less common. There doesn't seem to be a fixed rule on this, or at least no-one is combing through these categories and changing names in order to conform to one standard only. If such a standard were to be set up, I would also support the less redundant version. --Sprachraum (talk) 23:52, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are some exceptions and possibly they simply have been overlooked but the default is to align with the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per Nom favor matching the main article per WP:C2D. (Alt Rename per Sprachraum is still better than the current name though.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree that alt rename per Sprachraum is still better than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:School districts in Australia edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "School districts" don't exist in Australia in the sense that they exist in other countries like the US. In Australia, public schools are run by the state governments. The state governments do setup various regional administrative structures, but those are completely non-notable, few people outside of school staff and bureaucrats pay attention to them. Very different from the US, where school districts have elections and levy taxes and public meetings – these regional admin structures are essentially just a group of managerial and administrative staff who look after government-run schools in a given area. And then only thrown in here is an article about Catholic schools in a single diocese – are dioceses of the Catholic Church "school districts"? The Catholic Church runs a lot of schools worldwide, and many (but not all) of these schools are owned by the dioceses. Anyway, I get the impression this category is motivated by "America has X so every other country must too", which isn't true. I think this category makes no sense and should be deleted. Mr248 (talk) 20:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games featuring female antagonists edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:28, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining ★Trekker (talk) 20:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Horror films featuring female antagonists edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining ★Trekker (talk) 20:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Media featuring female antagonists edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining ★Trekker (talk) 20:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Action films featuring female antagonists edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining ★Trekker (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Superhero films featuring female antagonists edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining ★Trekker (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games based on Catwoman edit

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:28, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT ★Trekker (talk) 20:15, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Legion of Super-Heroes in other media edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. Every single instance of use for this category was for works where the characters appearances were in no way defining. ★Trekker (talk) 20:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lobo (DC Comics) in other media edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT and not defining of any of the works in the category. ★Trekker (talk) 20:01, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Riddler in other media edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for 90% of the articles here. ★Trekker (talk) 19:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Justice Society of America in other media edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT ★Trekker (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black Canary in other media edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: 90% of these are not defined by being adaptations of Black Canary. This is a SMALLCAT if cruft is removed. ★Trekker (talk) 19:43, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films featuring Disney's Big Bad Wolf edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining of the vast majority of these works. ★Trekker (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose See Category:Disney films by character and Category:Looney Tunes films by character. Dimadick (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films featuring Huey, Dewey, and Louie edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining. "Works featuring foo" is not a category sheme Wikipedia accepts. ★Trekker (talk) 19:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose See Category:Disney films by character and Category:Looney Tunes films by character. Dimadick (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: Other crud existing does not help this one.★Trekker (talk) 19:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That "crud" is an established category tree. Dimadick (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've gotten stuff like it deleted many times before, because it's not defining, and being defining is something that a category must be. You seeing many bad examples of categorization does not make it "an established category tree" that should continue to exist. Categories should either be "Films about foo" or "Foo films".★Trekker (talk) 19:50, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of these formats helps with character filmographies. Dimadick (talk) 19:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What part of "categories need to be defining" is it that you don't grasp? Something "featuring foo" does not imply defining, tons of works feature tons of random stuff, that doesn't make them about that thing.★Trekker (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films featuring Daisy Duck edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Feturing foo" is not defining and not a format Wikipedia accepts for its media categorizations. ★Trekker (talk) 19:32, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose See Category:Disney films by character and Category:Looney Tunes films by character. Dimadick (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People from Pieria (regional unit) edit

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, this concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or 2-article categories. The proposal is to merge to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, in this case except Katerini (58,000 people). This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People from Preveza (regional unit) edit

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, this concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or 2-article categories. The proposal is to merge to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, in this case except Preveza (21,000 people) and Parga (2,500 people). This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People from Rhodes (regional unit) edit

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge for consistency, this is part of a series to upmerge 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece to 2nd level. This nomination is different than usual though, because the proposal is to keep island level for the time being. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • These are islands whose administrative connection isn't particularly significant. --Antondimak (talk) 15:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 20:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Pateros, Metro Manila edit

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The result of the discussion was: rename. There seemed to be some confusion. The RM resulted in the article being moved to Pateros, but it was an RM from Aug 2020. This CFD gained some support and some confused comments, but no explicit opposition, so we'll go with renaming. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the main article (Pateros). —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 08:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy support.--RioHondo (talk) 12:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pateros, Metro Manila edit

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The result of the discussion was: rename. There seemed to be some confusion. The RM resulted in the article being moved to Pateros, but it was an RM from Aug 2020. This CFD gained some support and a confused comment, but no explicit opposition, so we'll go with renaming. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the main article (Pateros). —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 08:53, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy support.--RioHondo (talk) 12:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, this isn't entirely obvious, there is also a village Pateros, Washington (officially referred to as a "city"). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not votable, seems we have to wait for the decision in WP:RM above and what to do with Pateros, Washington. --Just N. (talk) 20:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cruel and Unusual Films films edit

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The result of the discussion was: rename. I'll leave a redirect. 02:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: It's been called The Stone Quarry for a good 2 years now. Dominicmgm (talk) 03:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sites using OpenStreetMap data edit

  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 18#Category:Sites using OpenStreetMap data

Category:Recipients of the Order of Duke Branimir edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
The Order of Duke Branimir is a Croation award for international relations. There are definitely a wide range of people in this category: Sir Fitzroy Maclean had a close relationship with the country and might be defined by the award while US Senator Orrin Hatch seems to have received it because he was friends with a Croatian basketball player in college (official press release). In between those extremes, it's often given to foreign ambassadors of friendly nations who are already somewhere under Category:Ambassadors to Croatia.
The award was also given to the entire 2018 Croatian FIFA World Cup team while the reasons for other domestic recipients are obscure. The articles generally mention the award in passing with other honours. The category contents are now listed right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Crown (Iran) edit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT)
When royalty and other officials visited Iran, the Order of the Crown (Iran) was given out as souvenir. Olav V of Norway, King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa of Bahrain, and Fuad I of Egypt are not remotely defined by the award. (There are also a few high ranking people from Iran like the Shah, Prime Minister Hossein Ala', and Imam Aga Khan IV but they tend to mention the award in passing with other honours.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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