Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Jazayri
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Algerian Wikipedia
main pageRequest for a new language edition:Wikipedia Jazayri
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This language has been verified as eligible.
The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.
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What
Value
Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language codearq (SILGlottolog)A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language nameAlgerian ArabicLanguage name in English
Language nameدارجةLanguage name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata itemQ56499 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Algerian Arabic
  • native label (P1705) = دزيرية‎
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dialect, language, modern language / Maghrebi Arabic
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = arq
  • writing system (P282) = Arabic alphabet
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 35,000,000

Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
DirectionalityRTLIs the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Linkssimilar previous request (closed), English-Algerian DictionaryLinks to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URLarq.wikipedia.orglangcode.wikiproject.org
Settings
Project name"Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespaceusually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace"Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploadsnoDefault is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logoFile:...This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezoneAfrica/Algiers"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespacesFor example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settingsAnything else that should be set

Proposal
Algerian Arabic, or Darja, is the native language of the majority of the 35 million Algerians, more than 80% of them speak it as their native language, while the remaining 20% speak it as their second language after Berber, it is therefore essential that the Algerians get a wikipedia in their own native language to have an easier access to knowledge and feel that their language is valued and recognised as such.
Algerian Arabic largely differs from formal Arabic, and the difference is certainly as big as between Italian and French, most of its words are of arabic origin but they are changed to a big extent and the berber influence makes half the vowels in the original arabic pronounciation disappear, it has also many new words and many words that are of Berber, Turkish or French origin. However, the difficult History of Algeria (a History of colonisation) did not permit the establishment of an Algerian state that would have institutionalized the Algerian language like it was the case with the European latin languages and their emancipation from formal latin.
Most Algerians can speak and understand formal Arabic, because it is the language used in the media, at school, at work..etc.. but their spoken language remains the Algerian Darja, and those who did not study and learn Arabic or French cannot get easy access to knowledge and information, and our goal here is to grant a direct access to knowledge in their own language to Algerians who do not master, nor know much, of Arabic, French or other languages.
Merged from other pages: Darija is spoken by over 40.000.000 moroccan. Darija language is one of the popular language in morocco, algeria, tunisia and lybia languages. Darija language is an exceptional descendant of Arabic that has no diglossic relationship with Standard Arabic or Classical Arabic. Darija is also unique among Semitic languages since its morphology has been deeply influenced by berber languages and Romance languages, namely Frensh and spanish. A good team is available to contribute in the project.
Discussion
Arguments in favour
Arguments against
1. Any Arabic Slang Language is not a formal human language, it is slang ! having a Wikipedia in a slang Arabic, will lead for many problems, the main leading one : more Arab-speaking wikipedians will be starting more wikipedias in other slang dialects, therefore we shall have someday in the future more than 30 Wikipedia's in Slang dialects ! each Arab speaker would want to start a Wikipedia of his own dialect ! and we should keep in mind, that not only regional states have their own dialects, the cities within those countries and states have more specific slang's and dialects, and this will make the true value of Wikipedia drop down when it will be filled with slang's !
2. how valid is a Slang Dialect : lets not forget it is a dialect : meaning there is total biding code to how to spell and write or read ! a dialect differs from a man to another ! for example in slang English : the word The : is turned into da and de ! as also it is a slang : a slang doesnt have a biding grammar or what so ever ! it is just what goes with the mouth ! a slang is saying what you feel your mouth can easily say ! this is how a slang develops ! and another thing is that in slang we might have sounds that do not exist in the formal language : for example in many slang arabic's we have the sound /g/ and there is no specific way to express this sound ! sometimes they use the Farsi letters sometimes else, here are four letters that all represent /g/ in slang arabic's :چ ڠ گ ڇ, and there are many more !
3. today we have a Wikipedia in a slang non-grammatical nor organized language, so why cant we have a Wikipedia in lolcat language, it already translated the bible : teh lolcat spek iz organizd !
4. if you accept to have a wikipedia in a slang language of a regional state, this means you now need to have a Wikipedia to each state in the US at least, having Wikipedia Masri, is a huge deal of turning Wikipedia into politically divided than nations and cultures contributing together, DO NOT TURN WIKIPEDIA INTO A POLITICAL DIVISION !
5. in All Arab & Algerian Universities, (and rest of the world), a scientific report - scientific page, in a slang dialect, even their own slang, is not acceptable and that report/page will never be regarded as true or even scientific unless in a formal Language like Formal Arabic Language !
6. having Wikipedia in this slang language or any other will lower the validity and the standards of Wikipedia : how would something valid/true/scientific and reliable as Wikipedia have a SLANG language, there is not scientific family in the world that would recognize a slang as a valid way to express science and studying !
7.when we have this Wikipedia & many others, that is already leading to more Wikipedias in other Arabic SLANG Dialects, the Arab-speaking Developers and editors will be divided in more than 30 Wikipedia in stead of all of them developing the one true formal language Arabic Wikipedia, thus they are destroying and corrupting in stead of uniting and building wikipedia, and expanding Wikipedia Arabic
8. treating Slang Arabic as equal for other formal Languages is a discrimination against the other slang-speakers of the world, thus for example we must also have Slang Arabic English, it is as the same level as Egyptian Arabic Slang, or Algerian or Bahrani Arabic
9. HAVING A WIKIPEDIA IN A SLANG IS STUPIDITY !
10. IT IS NOT A LANGUAGE , WIKIPEDIA IS GETTING FILLED WITH SLANG ARABICS, AND ARABS HAVE MANY SLANGS, THUS ARABIC SLANG WIKIPEDIA WILL NEVER END
and so I've presented my statement, with Logic and reasoning ! please respect and don not vandalize ! as I stress on you understanding #1 & #2 !
Ahmad Masalha !
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asm17hawkeye (talk)
ISO does not consider those dialects "slang" but as separate spoken languages: this is why they have ISO codes. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Oppose--Uishaki (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Totally against! In addition to what has already been stated in the previous comments, you can’t create an Algerian Wikipedia because there exists no such “language”! I mean, each city has its own unique dialect. You cannot say that there exist 40 million speakers: You need to count the inhabitants of each Wilaya separately. It would be inconsistent, illegible, and totally nonsense to write an article in Algiers’ vernacular, another in Annaba’s, then use that of Oran, etc... In addition, “Algerian Arabic” is only capable of communicating simple ideas and lacks many words and meanings, that’s why people code-switch to French (or Standard Arabic, for that matter) to express them. Let’s focus on the French and Arabic Wikipedias instead. --إلياس الجزائري (talk) 08:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply :remark that it's not a problem whel we known many algerians slang - i'm sure that all algerian people can undestood between them. the deal is to digitalize algerian language - on a wikipedia on a wiktionary and all, the goal is to give to researchers and students and for all that they want an knowledge , an information from algerian language, i supported and worked on this project , and knowing in advance that's a difficult and many will make controversies on the subject. our focus is to increase the participation and developpe the hortographe. this project is benefic when it's done for many field. the hight tec included. do you know that your androide phone contain already many applications containing algerian language - the keyboard and voice recognition are two best example--Mohammed Bachounda (talk) 11:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Other discussion
We need more nicknames in "Users interested in forming an editing community" so that our language project will be taken seriously and validated , so please enter your nickname there if you are interested in having an algerian wikipedia and in contributing in it.--Ikjan 05:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thanks AnonMoos, the systeme you propose is interresting, i am actually working for a similar job to adapt with algerian spelling that is different from the palestinian one, but some of your propositions can really help.--Oldstoneage 11:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Propose of a Maghrebi wikipedia with a written source -- I will support a Maghrebi Arabic/"Darija", north africa (Morocco-Algeria-Tunisia) dialects -they all called darija- are very similiar to each other they are only different in accent, I don't support creating a wiki for each land since it's illogical to claim the dialect recognize national borders and you will find a different accent even among the one land, however they started teaching it in en:Ceuta and en:Melillia as a "new" language.[5][6] I will argue with many other sources if needed cheers. --Xiquet 22:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
It's years too late for this response, but the ISO individually defines the Darjia dialects as different and so we would have different Wikipedias for them. However the boundaries of the dialects do not exactly match the country boundaries. Libyan Arabic is spoken in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, and Algeria. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Localisation update
Northwest African Arabic
Please, take a look at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Northwest African Arabic and discuss there about the possibility to create Northwest African Arabic (Maghrebi) Wikipedia. --Millosh 23:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
This was closed on the basis that the individual Darija dialects were to have their own Wikipedias instead of a common Darija Wikipedia WhisperToMe (talk) 18:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Last edited on 11 March 2021, at 21:51
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