In an exclusive
interview from Paris, Mir Hossein Mousavi's external spokesman describes this
week's protests in Iran as another revolution -- and Mousavi as Iran's Obama.
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Not easy being green: With Mousavi unable to speak to the press, his external spokesman, renowned filmmaker Mohsen Makhmalbaf, urges the international community not to recognize Ahmadinejad.
The world has watched in awe this week as protests have
continued to rock the streets of Iran. Opposition presidential candidate Mir
Hossein Mousavi and his green-clad supporters are demanding a rerun of last
Friday's election -- which they claim was rigged in favor of incumbent
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Nearly a week after the vote, the conflict has
reached fever pitch. At least eight people have reportedly died in protests, and hundreds
of demonstrators, organizers, and reformists may have been arrested. The
Guardian Council, the powerful 12-member body that oversees Iranian elections,
has offered to hold talks with the candidates in hopes of resolving the crisis.
But there are signs that the Iranian establishment may be split over what to
do.
The international community seems equally perplexed about the
best response. U.S. President Barack Obama, for example, has been careful not
to be perceived as siding openly with the Mousavi camp, saying he didn't want
to be accused of "meddling" in Iran's internal affairs.
At the center of this story is Mousavi himself, who has been
present at many of this week's protests but has otherwise been muzzled by a
government crackdown on his press and other public appearances. Foreign
Policy sought out his external spokesman, renowned filmmaker and
reformer Mohsen Makhmalbaf. In an interview from Paris, Makhmalbaf speaks of
this week's protests as another revolution -- and Mousavi as Iran's Obama.
Foreign Policy:You
were involved in the 1979 Iranian Revolution as a young man, and your films
have touched on it extensively. What parallels do you see between then and today's
situation?
Mohsen Makhmalbaf: There
are some similarities and some differences. In both situations, people were in
the streets. In the [earlier] revolution, there were young people in the
streets who were not as modern as the people are today. And they were in the
streets following the lead of a leader, a mullah -- in those times Ayatollah Khomeini.
Now, the young people in the streets are more modern: They use SMS; they use
the Internet. And they are not being actually led by anyone, but they are
connected to each other.
These young people who are in the streets are looking for
peace and democracy. The previous revolution was a revolution of traditionalism
against modernism; but now this is a revolution of modernism against
traditionalism. The previous revolution had a frown; this one has a smile on
its face. The previous revolution was red; this one is green. We can say that
this is a 21st-century revolution, but the other was a 20th-century revolution.
That revolution was led by the people who were educated by the epoch of the shah,
and this generation was brought up by the mullahs inside the Islamic Revolution.
We have many young people, and maturity is killing the fathers. In each
generation, we kill our fathers. And our fathers [today] are the mullahs.
FP:There has been
growing criticism here in Washington that U.S. President Barack Obama hasn't
said or done enough to support those demonstrating in the streets of Iran. Do
you think Obama is being too careful? Or even that he is helping Ahmadinejad by
being cautious?
MM:Obama has
said that there is no difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi. Does he like
it himself [when someone is] saying that there is no difference between Obama
and [George W.] Bush? Ahmadinejad is the Bush of Iran. And Mousavi is the Obama
of Iran.
FP: Would Mousavi
pursue a different foreign policy than Ahmadinejad?
MM:As you may
know, former President Mohammad Khatami, who is supporting Mousavi at the
moment, was in favor of dialogue between the civilizations, but Ahmadinejad
talks about the war of the civilizations. Is there not any difference between
the two?
We [Iranians] are a bit unfortunate. When we had our Obama [meaning
President Khatami], that was the time of President Bush in the United States.
Now that [the United States] has Obama, we have our Bush here [in Iran]. In
order to resolve the problems between the two countries, we should have two
Obamas on the two sides. It doesn't mean that everything depends on these two
people, but this is one of the main factors.
FP: There have
been rumors that you might come to Washington. Can you tell us if these might
be true?
MM:If there is a
particular invitation that is important, I will be going, just like I have traveled
to Brussels to speak to the European Parliament. If there is an interview with
the Congress, the Senate, or the president, I would be going to the United
States.