whether they are getting it wrong out of ignorance or malfeasance.
But, the important thing is to loudly and publicly educate them before the vote is taken. That way the voters could more easily determine if our elected employees are stupid or criminal. Or, whether they are honest employees who deserve to keep their jobs, and maybe be promoted. The weasels and slugs need to also be identified and replaced at the earliest opportunity.
By the way, as a rule of thumb, if the Left are promoting something hard it is probably bad for the country.

Erick: Do you have the ear of any Senators or their staff, Congressmen or their staff. We hope so and think you should. Tell them the truth and send a missive to Fox News as well so at least one news outlet can have the truth. We have emailed our Congressman but who are we? Folks like you who have a reputation and “pulpit” need to communicate with them. You may have already done so, if so, sorry and thank you!

I believe you are being generous in your assessment. They do know better or they are not competent at what they do, if as you said one of the FOX reporters has interviewed Sen. Toomey. I’d like to think they know what they are doing.

Since they should know better their is no excuse for them being no better than the main stream media. Neither accurate, fair or balanced.

That sounds like a call to action to me! If everyone calls and points out that their audience doesn’t appreciate the “false and misleading propaganda” they should get the message.

If that means wandering away from their robotic agenda their handlers have given them. Egypt is a good warning for lazy Americans not getting involved until it is too late.

The MSM and our Congress are more tyrannical than ever it seems. So far I have no less than 150 hand written letters to my representatives asking for answers to questions juts like this one, and have yat to get a single reply. That is on top of phone calls and emails, too many to count.

This debt ceiling debacle is the perfect example of fearmongering to further the irresponsible leftist agenda that will lead to US Bankruptcy unless we stop spending trillions we don’t have.

With world revolts getting nastier, it is only a matter of time before the Utopian March towards soft Communism, hiding behind cutesy Socialist catch-phrases cripples America to the point of a 3rd rate nation. Politically correct Socialism Pimps posing as “reporters” are not in the truth business. Just the opposite.

I got in a hurry and failed to proofread and I know better.

When the media poses this question in this way, why don’t the Republicans explain and correct this fallacy. Both Boehner and McConnell had opportunities on Sunday morning and neither forcefully debunked this lie.

and he did say that it would decimate the full faith and credit of the USA and we would default but that if the President agreed to spending cuts they would vote for it. So FOX isn’t wrong Boehner is.

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Correct the misconception on live TV. When the Speaker is next interviewed by Charles or Dianne or whoever, even if their first question is on the subject of why Obama is so goshdarned wonderful, say something along the lines of:

“Before we get to that Dianne, I want to clarify a misconception on the part of you people in the media that is really stifling our moving forward on fixing the national debt. Not raising the debt ceiling does not, I repeat, DOES NOT, mean the US will default on its loans. As long as we have enough revenue to pay our interest obligations, that will not happen. So, lets drop this apolcolyptic talk about the debt ceiling from now on. Now, getting back to your first question, I take issue with the very premise that Obama is wonderful at all…”

Have every Republican do this for a few cycles of Sunday morning talk shows, and the message would start getting through. This would of course be a breech of standard Republican-left-wing-journalist decormum, and it would annoy the reporters no end, and they’d roll their eyes to the top of their heads, but the message would get out there. I doubt Republicans would ever do this, because they view reporters like they are all the high school prinpical, but it would get the message, unfiltered, right into to living rooms of the American people.

As Grndpaal so eloquently leads with the title box…Doesn’t it say what most of us are thinking ??

Obama people have invaded Fox news.

In my humble opinion, the individual and collective ignorance of journalism majors is a given I think that the ability to reason is not considered an advantage.

On Fox News (Channel Five - New York) there was this blooper. The co-hosts were discussing a violin. The male stated that the violin was made in the 1690’s and that Napoleon Bonaparte was the first owner. As Bonaparte was born on August 15, 1769, that neans that the violin went unsold for almost a century. Does no one at Fox know about historical timelines?

Fox may be “fair and balanced” but, like the rest of the MSM, they are not accurate.

In my humble opinion, the individual and collective ignorance of journalism majors is a given I think that the ability to reason is not considered an advantage.

On Fox News (Channel Five - New York) there was this blooper. The co-hosts were discussing a violin. The male stated that the violin was made in the 1690’s and that Napoleon Bonaparte was the first owner. As Bonaparte was born on August 15, 1769, that neans that the violin went unsold for almost a century. Does no one at Fox know about historical timelines?

Fox may be “fair and balanced” but, like the rest of the MSM, they are not accurate.

Irrespective of party, this is simply bluster and part of the political process. As you have noted, there is more then ample evidence the US will not default on its debt. That will never happen. NEVER.

The Fed is also already taking moves to ensure we don’t run up against the ceiling. This is being done by winding down some of the programs (such as the SFP) which were instituted as part of the financial “crisis”. They can also stop issuing bonds that don’t go to market for government retirement plans, etc. That gives us more than enough room to manage our debt.

Rising short term yields and falling interest rates are two possible effects of not raising the debt ceiling. And it (not raising the debt ceiling) is certainly a situation you don’t want to linger. However, I would argue that if we can show global investors the US is serious about controlling debt and has a long-range plan to restore fiscal sanity, it is well worth the “risks”.

By the way, somebody at FOX needs a serious brush up on economics. This type of error seriously hurts their credibility in the financial world.

Eric: I can’t help noticing your comments speak to the issue of WHEN. They do not address the WHAT IF element connected to default on our loans.

In the days around the horrible event at Kent State when five students were killed in a protest by campus police, I rounded the corner inside a building on my own college campus and noticed a National Guard machine gun nest at the end of the corridor. I realized in that moment my country was on the verge of violent revolution.

Since that terrible day, my generation of Americans has grown fatter, spoiled by prosperity and apathetic about the activity of its government. Meanwhile those who have assumed the reins of power in government have moved into the void, bringing with them the liberal agenda we students of the seventies fought for. In a way you could say we won the day. Over time, the educational standards of the nation were dumbed down to the extent that basket weaving and the lot of the snail garter became compulsory concerns and readin’, writin’ and ‘rithmatic became the illiterate drivel you see in text messages and e-mail. And with the declining devotion to excellence in America came a breathtaking fall from grace in virtually every category of global leadership by which great nations are measured.

In simpler terms, we hippies and wanna-be hippies have managed to change the status of the nearly sacred “Made in America” label into what the label “Made in China” stood for in our youth — cheap, second-rate plastic crap.

And now, as our country teeters on the brink of economic collapse threatening to bring the rest of the world along for the ride, those liberal values continue to guide the American agenda. Congress has broken down into a playground game waged by egotistical, irresponsible, self-serving children. The welfare of the dirt beneath our feet has become more important than the survival of our own species. The patently Communist ethic of equality has replaced freedom as the nation’s signature value. The concept of winning has been replaced by a trophy-for-all mentality that spits in the face of excellence. And in a spine-chilling smite to all we hold dear as a nation earned wealth is being systematically conscripted from each according to their ability to pay and distributed to each according to their need — a behavior exactly extracted from Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto. And while it is going on, suggesting the truth in public dialog has become a career-ending assertion by any public figure brave enough to suggest it; an indiscretion that must be immediately followed by an apology or paid for by removal from the public forum.

But…there is hope and so it’s worth saying that the conservative values which insist upon limited government, freedom to compete without government intrusion and restraint in our spending policies — those values that elevated America The Beautiful from wilderness to wonderland are alive and fulminating in the nostrils of patriots who will not let this nation die.

Make no mistake about it…the violence in Egypt at this moment can happen here. If and when the dollar is replaced as the monetary standard of the world and we lose our unique ability to simply print more money when our bills come due only a handful of days will turn the peaceful protests of tea partiers into a nightmare of national shame that will make Kent State look like a game of dodge ball.

Congress — it’s not as complicated as your partisan-driven, myopic point of view suggests. Dismantle the entitlements monster, pay down the national debt, balance the budget and put incentives in place that will restore to glory the once-proud label, “Made in America,” a standard the world was, once, willing to pay a premium for. And, Congress…do it now!

It doesn’t matter much if raising the debt ceiling will allow us to escape for a while longer. What matters is that it will, eventually, bring us down and anything that permits congress to continue along this dangerous path merely delays the inevitable.

have become very lazy. This is typical of someone plagiarizing news copy without any verification of the facts. Fox seems to be slipping a little to the left lately, if you’ve noticed.

Russia defaulted on their debt to us over 10 years ago. Maybe we can blame it on them since it was a sizable figure. Seems to have helped their economy and whenever their economy has been doing bad since they blame it on us. Maybe work in this START laying down your weapons and surrender treaty?

Hey Erick,
Don’t be too hard on FOX. They are, just like all other news media, controled by the government and can only deliver the news that has been hand feed to them by the federal Government.
There are no “NEWS HOUNDS” left and the only information we get has been filtered by the government, diluted, and spoon feed to the news agencys. If the gov. has not had time to add their propaganda to a story they say, “we cannot commit on an ongoing investigation”.
AND, the news “correspondents?” humbly kneel and hold their spoons out to be feed at the government’s. pleasure.
We need real news that has the power to put fear in our royal rulers, so they dare not shaft the people knowing they “will be found out”. Mick
“”"”Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.”"”"

Some buddies and I over at Lords of the Battlefield came up with a neat little solution to the deficit problem:
Allow dueling, but only for politicians vs politicians, and put it on Pay Per View.

I’ve heard a wide range of expert opinion on what will happen if the debt ceiling is not raised. Perhaps the experts really aren’t sure one way or the other. No matter what the quants calculate, it’s hard to factor in the human element.

Personally, I think we shouldn’t raise the debt ceiling. How institutional, sovereign, and individual investors will react if the ceiling isn’t raised is another matter!

Even if there is absolutely no threat of default, that might not stop investors from boycotting Treasuries or from precipitously dumping them altogether. What happens then?

I do not clam to be an economist or that I know much about how the government’s fiscal management works. I do however know that as a private business enterprise what I can’t afford, I don’t buy and what I can’t afford to maintain, I cut. God knows since 2005 I have had to face those unpleasant decisions many times.

Why is defunding government programs and departments not part of reducing the deficit? Have we lost our way so much that any execution of simple economic principles are not possible in the U.S. government?

If I am wrong about this path of logic, please feel free to correct me.

Regards to all,

If it were not for talk radio, I’d be uninformed!

Eric, People need to realize Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdock and he is a Bilderburger. The people working there won’t say anything thats not politically correct. FAIR and BALANCED. HA HA

They ARE the story.
Still, I’m thankful we at least have Fox, closer to normalcy than the rest of the human garbage of the MediaScum.

When’s the last time Pelosi or Reid appeared on a Fox show? Yet, Gingrich and Boehner are practically daily fixtures. How can this be “fair and balanced” when the hierarchy on the left considers the news service so partisan, they won’t even appear on it? How can it be “fair and balanced” when 90% of its talk segments are patently conservative and the unwelcome ever-present opinions of its news anchor (Shep Smith) are literally saturated in conservative values? Fox is a R. Murdoch mouthpiece…full stop.

The American taxpayer has no moral obligation whatsoever to make good on the promises generations of corrupt politicians made on his behalf.

Looks like Erik has whipped up a lynch-mob frenzy toward FOX.

One bad article on their website, and everyone is now ready to burn the entire network at the stake.

With a few exceptions (Hannity, etc.), the operating philosophy of the FOX News channel is to provide a microphone for their GUESTS to express and defend their views and to challenge opposing views. Show hosts generally will not inject themselves into a debate or take sides - they merely provide the platform for their guests to slug it out.

If FOX doesn’t measure up to your standards, you are free to switch to MSNBC.

one does not have to have a doctorate in economics to understand that you don’t get out of debt by having your credit card “debt ceiling” raised, but cut your discretionary spending, to pay your obligations.

I noticed how so many people buy bigger and bigger houses because they always seem to run out of room. I never went on that road: if we run out of room it is because we have too many things we no longer need or use, not because we need a bigger house. Get rid of the things you don’t need and then you have room to spare! It is called de-cluttering your house.

In a representative Republic the government cannot be better than the people who vote them in and empower them to govern. Many Americans are too sentimental to throw out or convert their 8-tracks in the age of CD’s.

it was the Fox “website” that had the article.
Not the Fox News channel.
the very FIRST line:
“Fox News has an article on its “”"website”"” about John Boehner’s remarks on raising the debt ceiling. But in this objective report there is a great and dangerous falsehood. The article, which has no author attached to it, reports”

It was not on the news channel.
The question should be is why is the FN website allowing unauthored articles
to be posted.

The media (including Fox) has this all wrong AND if I hear one more comment about his tendency to well up and show some tears. . . read your Bible folks at Fox as well. Read where it says “and Jesus wept”. There was no stronger man than that so get off Boehner’s case please. At least he shows he cares and that means a lot to all of us

The media (including Fox) has this all wrong AND if I hear one more comment about his tendency to well up and show some tears. . . read your Bible folks at Fox as well. Read where it says “and Jesus wept”. There was no stronger man than that so get off Boehner’s case please. At least he shows he cares and that means a lot to all of us

may go the way of C-SPAN, who at one time was decent to watch. However, the socialst/communist/Dems took it over and are using it like pravda, as a propoganda forum. When the dems took it over, they begin to call in on every telephone line including, the republican and independant reserved lines. They always say I am A republican BUT…. By the way have you watched Bill O lately. He is kissing BMO a$$ every night since he has an interview scheduled. He amazingly said that Megan McCain was a moderate republican and because she trashed Michele Bachman, “There is a split in the Republican Party.” Laura Ingrahm was not impressed!

In 1995, we were just experimenting with win95 and we didn’t have the internet with the wide viewership we have in 2011.

The GOP got blasted over the “govt shutdown” because the only information most people received was from the MSM and the liberal cable networks. If you hear something over and over long enough without any opposing opinion, you’ll probably believe it.

Now, information exchange is completely changed. No one is going to believe the 3 major networks and the liberal cable channels without trying to receive an opposing opinion. We all know that about 7% of the budget is spent on debt service that leaves 93% for the rest. How can that “shut down the government”.

No one is going to believe Shuma and the others.

Government (Federal/State/Local) has overreached. Individual citizens are now competing with them for their hard earned dollars. At the same time city hall (expand the concept) provides a golden parachute for themselves and their minions as we struggle to pay for food, gas and electricity.

Political magicians have waved their magic wands and “poof” we’ve all become a bunch of idiots!!! Arguing about whether national media has an agenda… Really? Are we to go on debating the obvious rather than being engaged in a meaningful solution…

This is like mental masturbation, honestly I’ve come to the conclusion that this thread is nonsense… I’m starting to have my doubts about the entire Red State group with the number of responses to this subject…