Excerpts From Judge Vinson Obamacare Ruling


Wow. Here’s a link to the Vinson Ruling.

Thoughts: Well, I’ve read the whole thing. This really does hinge on what powers the Supreme Court is willing to grant Congress over the individual. I’m hoping the Supreme Court trims Congress’ wings who in turn should trim the Executive Branches’ wings regarding all their legislation by regulation.

See excerpts and pages below the fold.

[Cross-posted at LibertyPundits]

Pages 1-5: Vinson quotes Madison and Federalist papers. Talks about Framers limiting power:

The Framers believed that limiting federal power, and allowing the “residual” power to remain in the hands of the states (and of the people), would help “ensure protection of our fundamental liberties” and “reduce the risk of tyranny and abuse.” See Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 458, 111 S. Ct. 2395, 115 L. Ed. 2d 410(1991) (citation omitted). Very early, the great Chief Justice John Marshall noted “that those limits may not be mistaken, or forgotten, the constitution is written.” Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137, 176, 2 L. Ed. 60 (1803).

Page 7: Vinson talks about the States “Hobson’s Choice” regarding Medicaid:

The gist of this claim is that because Medicaid is the single largest federal grant-in-aid program to the states, and because the states and the needy persons receiving that aid have come to depend upon it, the state plaintiffs are faced with an untenable Hobson’s Choice. They must either (1) accept the Act’s transformed Medicaid program with its new costs and obligations, which they cannot afford, or(2) exit the program altogether and lose the federal matching funds that are necessary and essential to provide health care coverage to their neediest citizens(along with other Medicaid-linked federal funds). Either way, they contend that their state Medicaid systems will eventually collapse, leaving millions of their neediest residents without health care. The state plaintiffs assert that they effectively have no choice other than to participate in the program.
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Page 12: Vinson’s sympathy for the states:

I appreciate the difficult situation in which the states find themselves. It is a matter of historical fact that at the time the Constitution was drafted and ratified,the Founders did not expect that the federal government would be able to provide sizeable funding to the states and, consequently, be able to exert power over the states to the extent that it currently does. To the contrary, it was expected that the federal government would have limited sources of tax and tariff revenue, and might have to be supported by the states. This reversal of roles makes any state-federal partnership somewhat precarious given the federal government’s enormous economic advantage. Some have suggested that, in the interest of federalism, the Supreme Court should revisit and reconsider its Spending Clause cases. See Lynn A. Baker, The Spending Power and the Federalist Revival, 4 Chap. L. Rev. 195-96(2001) (maintaining the greatest threat to state autonomy is, and has long been,Congress’s spending power and the states will be at the mercy of Congress so long as there are no meaningful limits on its spending power). However, unless and until that happens, the states have little recourse to remaining the very junior partner in this partnership.

[emphasis added]

Page 22: Regarding the Commerce Clause:

The Supreme Court’s first description of commerce (and still the most widely accepted) is from Gibbons v. Ogden, supra, which involved a New York law that sought to limit the navigable waters within the jurisdiction of that state. In holding that “commerce” comprehended navigation, and thus it fell within the reach of the Commerce Clause, Chief Justice Marshall explained that Commerce, undoubtedly,is traffic, but it is something more: it is intercourse. It describes the commercial intercourse between nations, and parts of nations, in all its branches, and is regulated by prescribing rules for carrying on that intercourse.

Vinson, on page 26, admits that the Commerce must not necessarily be limited to this view now, but that’s how it started and is understood.

Page 38 Cites the CBO’s language:

That is because, as Congress’ attorneys in the Congressional Research Service (CRS)and Congressional Budget Office (CBO) advised long before the Act was passed into law, the notion of Congress having the power under the Commerce Clause to directly impose an individual mandate to purchase health care insurance is “novel” and “unprecedented.”

Page 42, BAM:

It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congress can regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. If it has the power to compel an otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third party merely by asserting — as was done in the Act — that compelling the actual transaction is itself commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affects interstate commerce, [see Act § 1501(a)(1)], it is not hyperbolizing to suggest that Congress could do almost anything it wanted. It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place. If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failing to engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would have been in vain for it would be “difficult to perceive any limitation on federal power” [Lopez, supra, 514 U.S. at 564], and we would have a Constitution in name only.Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers could have intended.

Page 46 regarding regulating inactivity, Vinson uses an analogy:

First, it is not at all clear whether or why the three allegedly unique factors of the health care market are Constitutionally significant. What if only one of the three factors identified by the defendants is present? After all, there are lots of markets — especially if defined broadly enough — that people cannot “opt out” of. For example, everyone must participate in the food market. Instead of attempting to control wheat supply by regulating the acreage and amount of wheat a farmer could grow as in Wickard, under this logic, Congress could more directly raise too-low wheat prices merely by increasing demand through mandating that every adult purchase and consume wheat bread daily, rationalized on the grounds that because everyone must participate in the market for food, non-consumers of wheat bread adversely affect prices in the wheat market. Or, as was discussed during oral argument, Congress could require that people buy and consume broccoli at regular intervals, not only because the required purchases will positively impact interstate commerce, but also because people who eat healthier tend to be healthier, and are thus more productive and put less of a strain on the health care system. Similarly,because virtually no one can be divorced from the transportation market, Congress could require that everyone above a certain income threshold buy a General Motors automobile — now partially government-owned — because those who do not buy GM cars (or those who buy foreign cars) are adversely impacting commerce and a taxpayer-subsidized business.

Page 53: Addressing the Government’s contention that people “wait out the health market”, essentially timing their purchases:

The problem with this legal rationale, however, is it would essentially have unlimited application. There is quite literally no decision that, in the natural course of events, does not have an economic impact of some sort.

Page 54: Addressing the assertion that the state pays anyway, so individual mandate no biggie:

The defendants thus refer to the failure to buy health insurance as a “financing decision.” However, this is essentially true of any and all forms of insurance. It could just as easily be said that people without burial, life,supplemental income, credit, mortgage guaranty, business interruption, or disability insurance have made the exact same or similar economic and financing decisions based on their expectation that they will not incur a particular risk at a particular point in time; or that if they do, it is more beneficial for them to self-insure and try to meet their obligations out-of-pocket, but always with the benefit of “backstops” provided by law, including bankruptcy protection and other government-funded financial assistance and services.

Page 62: Regarding the Necessary and Proper Clause:

The Necessary and Proper Clause cannot be utilized to “pass laws for the accomplishment of objects” that are not within Congress, enumerated powers. As the previous analysis of the defendants” Commerce Clause argument reveals, the individual mandate is neither within the letter nor the spirit of the Constitution.

Page 63: Another smacking around:

The defendants have asserted again and again that the individual mandate is absolutely “necessary” and “essential” for the Act to operate as it was intended by Congress. I accept that it is. Nevertheless, the individual mandate falls outside the boundary of Congress’ Commerce Clause authority and cannot be reconciled with a limited government of enumerated powers. By definition, it cannot be “proper.”

Page 67: Regarding Severability:

The lack of a severability clause in this case is significant because one hadbeen included in an earlier version of the Act, but it was removed in the bill that subsequently became law.

Page 71: More on why Severing the individual mandate won’t work. It’s all or nothing:

In other words, the individual mandate is indisputably necessary to the Act’s insurance market reforms, which are, in turn, indisputably necessary to the purpose of the Act. This is obviously a very different situation than in Alaska Airlines, Inc., supra, 480 U.S. at 694 n.18 and 696 (unconstitutional provision severed from rest of statute where the provision was “uncontroversial,” and the debate on the final bill demonstrated its “relative unimportance”), and is more in line with the situation alluded to in New York, supra, 505 U.S. at 187 (suggesting by implication that the entire legislation should be struck when “the purpose of the Act is . . . defeated by the invalidation” of one of its provisions).

Page 73, Heartache:

In the final analysis, this Act has been analogized to a finely crafted watch,and that seems to fit. It has approximately 450 separate pieces, but one essential piece (the individual mandate) is defective and must be removed. It cannot function as originally designed. There are simply too many moving parts in the Act and too many provisions dependent (directly and indirectly) on the individual mandate and other health insurance provisions — which, as noted, were the chief engines that drove the entire legislative effort — for me to try and dissect out the proper from
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the improper, and the able-to-stand-alone from the unable-to-stand-alone. Such aquasi-legislative undertaking would be particularly inappropriate in light of the fact that any statute that might conceivably be left over after this analysis is complete would plainly not serve Congress’ main purpose and primary objective in passing the Act. The statute is, after all, called “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” not ” The Abstinence Education and Bone Marrow Density Testing Act. The Act, like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watch maker.

Page 76, CONCLUSION: VOID

Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void.

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Whoa...

luvnthebigsites Monday, January 31st at 6:33PM EST (link)

Hey RedState patrons… Dont poo poo this post. The glass is half full, We won! Celebrate! ;)

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Roland of Gilead—The Last Gunslinger.

 

Historic.

Socrates Monday, January 31st at 6:45PM EST (link)

The government tried to claim the power to compel activity if that activity would be something it could regulate.

And other crazy stuff.

This is not yet over, but I’d rather have the thing struck down, and have Obama appealing it, than have it affirmed and have to appeal.


Join the Concord Project.

Gone 2500 years, still not PC.

 

This ruling is very impressive.

redneck_hippie Monday, January 31st at 6:59PM EST (link)

Thanks for breaking it into bite sized chunks.

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.

 

The mandate could bring the whole house of cards down

frankieb Monday, January 31st at 7:13PM EST (link)

My husband, a retired judge with few overturns of his rulings on appeal, has said all along that the mandate is the weak point in this massively disorganized legislation.

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We elected Cierpiot and Kraus to the MO House and Senate, respectively. Now we’ve got to beat Claire McCaskill (D-MO) for the U.S. Senate!

 

What other parts are unconstitutional?

DerKrieger Monday, January 31st at 7:17PM EST (link)

Certainly there are other parts of this bill that are unconstitutional and not just the IM.

I believe the minimum coverage mandate is also unconstitutional. The Federal government has no right to set the terms of a product I choose to purchase. I have a high deductible insurance plan with an HSA for example and the federal government wants to do away with them because those of us that choose such policies don’t adequately (in their opinion) fund the insurance pool. It’s simple wealth redistribution.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

 

One of the judge's notes at the end:

carolina Monday, January 31st at 7:33PM EST (link)

‘… if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,”

Barack Øbama - 2008

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progressive hit pieces

olbygotcanned Monday, January 31st at 7:52PM EST (link)

Funny how that little gem is going unmentioned by the far lefties…

 
 

One of the judge's notes at the end:

carolina Monday, January 31st at 7:33PM EST (link)

‘… if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,”

Barack Øbama - 2008

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saw that on Drudge

techsan Monday, January 31st at 7:48PM EST (link)

[via Drudge]

From this article: Judge uses Obama’s words against him

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.

The best quote is this one at the end:

“There’s something thoroughly odd and unconventional about the analysis,” said a White House official who briefed reporters late Monday afternoon, speaking on condition of anonymity.

I’m sure that’s actually what this person believes. I mean, it would be “odd and unconventional” for a person to read a ruling which lays out a Constitutional argument based on fact, tradition, and precedent.

In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.

 
 

progressive spin

olbygotcanned Monday, January 31st at 7:48PM EST (link)

The neoprogs are all up in arms over this which means it was a fair decision made by the judge. ;)

 

Great summary - Thanks!

averagevoterdotcom Monday, January 31st at 7:54PM EST (link)

Wow, is right! It seems that severability is not a settled issue, though this judge sees it that way.

I just hope the Supremes see that America is different (than Europe, et al) and will always be so. Legal analysis and case law citing cannot hide the ultimate fundamental soul-searched reasoning and one’s vision of man’s contract with each other within God’s creation.

 

My bet...Supreme Court will be 5-4 repeal on Obamacare

leonidus2010 Monday, January 31st at 7:56PM EST (link)

Is anyone taking bets on this?

does Goldman Sachs have anything that will allowed to go short on the one and bet against Obamacare?

I don’t need to know anything about the decisions or the opinions of the case being referred and the interpretations of the law as none of these tings will matter.

As long as the case goes to the current exsting court it will be 5-4 repeal and if you want I can tell you which justices will concur and which will dissent based upon which President appointed them. Mark my words,because the USSC is a knagaroo court and all that matters in cases like these is which party the President came from who appointed them. Fortunatley this favors is conservatives at this point unless any of the 5 conservative justices retire and BHO gets to change the game in his favor. Not likely to happen anytime soon.

*Thats why I dont understand why if “Conservatives” in congress and George W Bush we’re really serious about ending abortion and extending the 2nd Amendment they didnt do it when they controlled all 3 branches of government? Not sure why it seems I am one of the few people asking this question and why no one was pressuring these guys in 2002-2006 during the 108th and 109th Congresses to put their money where their mouth is when they had to once in a lifetime opportunity to do so and blew it? But this is spilled milk and a major ball dropped (like a fly ball that lost the World Series).

When I heard the Bush v Gore decision I was ectatic. My guy won (even though he wasn’t my first pick - it was better then Gore). Then I actually read the Bush v Gore decision of the court (prevailing opion) as well as the dissenting opions and realized that while I may have been happy with the outcome I was dismayed that the USSC the last bastion of democracy not tainted by politics or corruption (unlike the Congress and Presidency where corruption has been the rule not the exception) etc as the forefather intended because they are appointed for life etc was no longer the case. The opinions on both sides had nothing to do with law and everything to do with politics. The fact that they speciofically stated that NO PARTS of thier ruling or positions are to be case law in further elections (this means they wants to be able to flip flop if their guy or the other guy comes back in future disputed election and the facts of the case are the opposite with the candidates on both sides NONE of the justices on either side cared about the law at all or their decision would have be case law under stare decisis the “law of the land” like all their other decisions are.

Same true in Citizens United 5-4 the coservative justices knew/suspected the GOP candiadtes would get more money/support from the corporations then the Dems would get from the Unions so the conservative justice voted for and the liberals against. Had the unions (decling in power) been more powerful than the pro-GOP coporations etc then it would have been 4-5 against with liberals voting for unuions and GOP voting for corps this isnt roekt science guys I cant be the only one that has seen through this charade that the Emporer wears no clothes?

If I am wrong and it doesn’t go 5-4 repeal I will gladly eat my words and apologize. But if I am right, while I will celebrate the decision, it will also further prove that that it is nothing but a klangaroo court on both sides and legal debates on the actual issues or facts of law before the court don’t really mean anything.

In 2006 when I saw the kinds of loans the banks were writing partial interest payment etc and housing prices incline way out of line with median income increase (stagnation actually) and no downpayment etc I was telling people massive foreclosures were around the corner when these mortgage balloons came due everyone I knew told me I was crazy, Had I known about CDO’s and that you could short them and bet againsts the stupid banks that I couldn’t understand why they were doing these bad loans like Goldman did even through they were selling them atthe same time! (until I found out the taxpayers take the losses) I would have been very rich.

Some people have joked that a hundred lawyers at the bottom of the ocean is a good start. Well these guys(gals) in the US kagaroo court are the ultimate laywers ;)

5-3 For Repeal...

rbdwiggins Monday, January 31st at 8:11PM EST (link)

citing usurpation of the Tenth Amendment and blatant violation of the Commerce Clause.

Any other decision requires an activist Court.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

Are you assuming Kagan has to sit this one out?

GregInFla Monday, January 31st at 10:02PM EST (link)

I’ve heard that mentioned elsewhere.


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Yes...

rbdwiggins Monday, January 31st at 10:54PM EST (link)

Too many unresolved questions regarding her involvement, relationship with the administration, advice or counsel as it pertains to Obamacare.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 

SCOTUS may not even take the case...

congressworksforus Monday, January 31st at 11:56PM EST (link)

There’s no guarantee that SCOTUS even takes this case.

Remember, the mandate is unconstitutional per this ruling. It will require the appeals court to overturn the decision for the conservatives on the court to want to become involved. With Kagan sitting out (she has to; there’s just no way she can avoid it), that means there’s only 3 judges with any vested interest in taking the case.

BUT… the privacy issues (govt. involvement in your healthcare) undermine Roe vs Wade. If you were a liberal judge, would you be willing to destroy Roe v Wade (during arguments, let along the final opinion!) in a futile attempt to extend the Commerce Clause far beyond what any sane individual believes it was meant to cover.

I wouldn’t wager money on SCOTUS taking it in the first place unless this decision doesn’t survive appeal.

SCOTUS and Scalia could take case further

GregInFla Tuesday, February 1st at 12:26AM EST (link)

I agree. Could you image Scalia getting a chance to really restrict the federal government using this case to do it? The decision would not need to be restricted to this case of federal overreach, but could set standards for other ones, correct? All those rules on toads stopping development because the toad could cross state lines. The left could risk opening pandora’s box here.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
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Bush v. Gore & Citizens United

jerry39 Monday, January 31st at 10:03PM EST (link)

were generally well decided cases. As one of those lawyers that belongs at the bottom of the Ocean, I predicted the reasoning on Bush v. Gore, as it was not hard to apply other voting rights cases. Certainly the Florida Supreme Court should not have been determing the outcome of federal elections. I am not saying that there aren’t activist judges on both sides of the political spectrum. I am not saying that this won’t come down to a 5-4 decision. But if it does, it wil lbe becuase the 4 liberal judges are activists and not becuase the conservative judges are. If you read this well excerpted post, you will find the law of the land clearly and logically requires this decision. If I had to take a wild guess, I would say 6-3, with the 3 arguing that if the government could enact a purely public option (which it likely could based on social security and other entitlements) then it should be able to take the lesser action of a psedo-private system with mandates. This will in my opinion be based on the ideological belief that the constitution is “a living document” that allows for such drastic modification, if it can be justified by such tangential arguments. Of course such an ideoloical belief is plainly wrong, becuase it eviserates the entire constituion. A set of rules that can be modified at the whim of 9 individuals, is not really a set of rules of all. As it is more often than not the liberals who take this position, I find them to be the more activist judges.

Bush vs Gore was not 5-4

congressworksforus Monday, January 31st at 11:45PM EST (link)

People often forget this, but Bush vs Gore was a 7-2 decision on the merits of the case (only 2 believed the Florida courts were acting correctly). The 5-4 came when the court STOPPED the recount saying they were out of time. The merits were decided 7-2.

 
 

Not a kangaroo court anymore

ohiohistorian Monday, January 31st at 10:17PM EST (link)

With Sotomayor there along with Kagan, the former President of the Harvard Law School (the one who allowed them to cut out their course on the Constitution) you cannot call it a kangaroo court. More like kangaroos on one side, and sloths on the other.

“What experience and history teach is this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”
G. W. F. Hegel

 
 

Activist Court?

leonidus2010 Monday, January 31st at 8:16PM EST (link)

Are not all 9 sitting justices activists on eithe side now and for quite some time? Or have I missed something?

Let’s see we have 4 SEIU AFL/CIO representaives and 5 US Chamber of Commerce / Freedom Works representatives right?

Absolutely not...

rbdwiggins Monday, January 31st at 8:32PM EST (link)

You are conflating ideology with activism.

And, clearly, much has been missed…

In practice, judicial activism is a wholly-owned creature of the left.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

So your activist is my Constitutionalist

ohiohistorian Monday, January 31st at 10:20PM EST (link)

Your side has the “stare decisis” approach, where my side actually can read that “confusing, 100 year old document” called the Constitution. I would much more want them to decide than your bunch who keep looking to the fine minds of France for their precedents.

“What experience and history teach is this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”
G. W. F. Hegel

 
 

There are indeed other unconstitutional parts

Berean Monday, January 31st at 9:23PM EST (link)

Everyone focuses so much on the mandate that the other parts don’t get the spotlight.

For example, mandating that medical insurance companies must spend 85 cents out of every premium dollar on benefits is blatantly unconstitutional .

Trying each day to spread the Gospel

Fascism.

olbygotcanned Monday, January 31st at 9:38PM EST (link)

Plain and simple.

 

That 85 cents per dollar destroys the insurance sales industry

GregInFla Tuesday, February 1st at 12:30AM EST (link)

More jobs lost due to Obama, combined with less health insurance choices.


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This USSC total will =8

Deskpilot Monday, January 31st at 9:54PM EST (link)

AJ E. Kagan was the Solicitor General of the U.S. and is supposed to prepare to recuse herself from the Obamacare appeal process as wh was one of its crafters.

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Lord Kagan recuse herself? really?

leonidus2010 Tuesday, February 1st at 12:33AM EST (link)

First of all let me apologize for the lawyer comment I have relatives that a lawyers and was considering law school at one point in time. Not all lawyers are bad just 65%-85% of them and you may be one of the good ones that is actually honest and ethical and if you are owe you my apology. My past work experience in civil litigations has caused me to become very jaded in the integrity of the entire “justice” system and how it does not seem to work ethically on all sides. And the bar associations don’t seem to care if judges or attorneys are acting ethically or not as long as the pay their dues. If you want examples which could fill volumes of text and ake all night but I can start with democrats and then work my way to republicans later… Bill Clinton, Arkansas Attorney turn governor then filandering President - perjury, subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice, comptempt of court, contempt of congress, am I missing anything? Never disbarred just “suspended” for five years in Arkansas? I’m sure if I was him moving practice to NY or DC would be more lucrative if I wasnt making millions giving speeaches etc. No jail time? No prosecution? If I commited perjury, subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice, comptempt of court, contempt of congress where do do think I would be right now?

Wow if that happens I might have a centilla of an ounce of respect for the Kagraroo Court and may have to resconsider calling them that but that would be the actions of ONE out of nine.

I won’t hold my breath no other Lord (I mean justice) in history that I am aware of has ever recused themselves in deciding a case even when they have investments in stock of the litigants or are have perosanl relationships with the litigants involved or would directly benefit from (i.e. conflict of interest in the case)

As to the comment “Your side has the “stare decisis” approach, where my side actually can read that “confusing, 100 year old document” I’m not quite sure if that was directed at me or someelse’s post but I think I have been rather clear the outside of my political postions I don’t real have ANY respect for ANY of them until the can prove me wrong theat the are “impartial” judges with “blind” justice and not politicians wearing fancy robes that are ABOVE THE LAW, appointed by elected officials, not the will of the people, for life with ABSOLUTELY no oversight form ANYONE and appernttly with ABSOLUTE POWER (it appears under the unchallegend Comptempt of court statutes I just read any of these LORDS / Justices can call me a private citizen not party to any proceeding action before them hold me in Contempt of Court through the theory of “Indirect contempt” ????? with due process, and neither anyone in the Senate, the Congress or President can do anything about it at all? And the offended part the Justice is the the Judge presideing over the case they they are also prosecuting…conflict of interst? kangaroo court?

“All power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

I apologize for my anger however I am sick and tired of our do nothing government that lives off our money does nothing except help the lobbyist criminals and maybe 5% of them have any honesty or integrity and it is REALLY hard trying to find out who the 5% are sometimes. It seems to me the DNC and the RNC are the Gambino’s and the Bonano’s (and I may owe an alopgy to the Cosa Nostra for equating them with the crooked scumbags in DC that instead of breaking the laws brought in the lawyers and lobbysists and rewrote the laws to make rackateering, extortion, bribery, and money laundering legal - for them at least) because when they do it it’s not illegal.

My dream is to see the crooked President, crooked 95 (+/-) Senators and crooked 413.25 (95% +/-) Representatives in jail on VERY LONG sentences preferable in Maricapoa County Arizona spending quality time with a real American who actually served his country… Sheriff Joe Arpiao and then WE might get our country back. One can hope and pray.

No, I am NOT a lawyer.

Deskpilot Tuesday, February 1st at 1:35AM EST (link)

I am an exponentially higher order of citizen.
I am an American Fight Man. I have Proudly worn the uniform of OUR country, that which the Bush’s (R) did and the (D’s - ALL OF THEM) disrespect at every opportunity. (P.S. Last month, I was able to PROPERLY wear my 1983 issue Cracker Jacks for a funeral)

As for overpopulating Sheriff Joe’s place, I would pay to see the induction. AZ could seriously dent it’s debt and deficits with this plan: 4 inductions per day, 1 each @ 08:00, 11:00, 14:00 17:00. $111 pp admission with seating for 1,000. 10% discount if you are coming to see your own representative trade his/her suit for pink underwear and striped suits. And since all of those new guests think that America is all about equality of outcome, NO GENDER SEGREGATION. Pity the fools who cross the wicked witch in the shower UGH!!!! (My keyboard is shuddering at that thought)

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Thanks Melissa

GregInFla Monday, January 31st at 10:04PM EST (link)

As Constitutional Home-Schooling Christian Conservatives, my wife and I enjoyed your summary and excerpts immensely. Imagine a decision based on the US Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers! When was the last time that was done?


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

Proud Supporter of Allen West for FL-22 and US Senate in 2012.

 

Thanks for summarizing this for us.

runner12 Monday, January 31st at 10:26PM EST (link)

And may I add a solid HOORAY over this ruling! Maybe it will put some pressure on the Senate to take up repeal.

 

We need to restore the original meaning of the commerce clause

timelyrenewed Monday, January 31st at 10:32PM EST (link)

Judge Vinson’s decision is good news, and we all hope that it will prevail when Obamacare finally reaches the Supreme Court two years from now. However, that is not certain, and there remain substantial political powers who regard this vast extension of federal power as constitutional based upon the Supreme Court’s vast expansion of the interstate commerce clause since 1937. The only sure way to stop not only Obamacare, but the innumerable other ways in which the federal government has increased its power beyond the original scope of the Constitution, is to reverse those Supreme Court cases and restore the interstate commerce clause to its original meaning. Given how entrenched these Supreme Court precedents are, this will require a constitutional amendment restating the original, very limited scope of the interstate commerce clause. See http://www.timelyrenewed.com

 

I agree with you Deskilot

leonidus2010 Tuesday, February 1st at 2:17AM EST (link)

And THANKS for your service to our country I wish I could say the same for the scumbags in DC but most of them lack the spine to enlist (and it seems to be a “bipartisan” lack of courage/patriotism unfortunately). They rather play golf or go yaghting with lobbyists in St Barts than serve our country in Iraq or Afghanistan, or Somalia or Bosnia or Panama or Vietnam or Korea with the Americans who really love our country and give thier all too it, not take what they can from it.

My apolgy regarding the confusion on the laywer post. I was actually apologizing to jerry39 (above) I probably should’ve put the apology in that thread and seperated the reply.

“As one of those lawyers that belongs at the bottom of the Ocean”

Goodnight

 

Two other lawsuits–one in Michigan and one in Virginia

wrveres Tuesday, February 1st at 2:55AM EST (link)

Two other lawsuits–one in Michigan and one in Virginia–were thrown out by other federal district judges last year who ruled the constitutional challenge lacked merit…
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in light of todays findings, what does that say about these two “Activist” judges.
lol!

The Feds and California are proceeding with a plan to fund a high-speed rail line from L.A. to Fresno. Now all they have to do, is find someone who wants to go to Fresno - Adjoran

 

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