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Israel shocked by Obama's "betrayal" of Mubarak
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sandhuatretuers wrote:
Time for the west to walk the talk on freedom and democracy and tear down hypocrisy. Egyptians deserve democracy as much as any other nation.
Jan 31, 2011 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
James_Pixie wrote:
When you state “dump a staunch strategic ally of three decades, simply to conform to the current ideology of political correctness.” make sure this is not read as Reuters opinion. Being a dictator is not politically correct either. Israel enjoys democracy, and it is shocking that they don’t support the Eqyptian’s desire for democracy. It indicates contempt for the people of Eqypt. At the basis of UK and USA democracy is a principle supported by the electorate. It is uncomfortable for UK citizens when the principle of freedom is not matched in our foreign policy. The Eqyptian people need our support, including Israel’s support.
Jan 31, 2011 12:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HumanR1ghts wrote:
America stands for democracy. If it supported a dictator against the citizens will, it would lose its fundamental value. Democracy and Human Rights go hand in hand. The people of Egypt have clearly expressed they want to be democratic. If anyone should understand the value of human rights, it should be Israel. I would think that Israel would be happy to have a democratic neighbor instead of a neighbor whose population feels suppressed of its human rights. This should not be looked at as a threat to Israel, it should be looked upon as an opportunity for better relationships with Egypt. I commend President Obama in standing up & supporting Egypt’s people in Human Rights & Democracy.
Jan 31, 2011 1:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fyodor76 wrote:
I’m sorry, but Israel does not get to decide who runs Egypt. The USA is pursuing a strategy that is good for the people of the USA. If they claim to support democracy in the Middle East, now is the time to support the people out in the streets of Cairo demanding their say in who runs them. The results may not work out well for Israel, but that is Israel’s problem.
Jan 31, 2011 1:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Zaggs wrote:
Some people seem to think that the protesters getting their way and democray/human rights go hand in hand. Keep in mind Iran fancies itself a democracy. If the Muslim Brotherhood grabs a good chunk of the government should Mubarak fold you could very well see a sharia type government take over. That may not lend itself to human rights.
Jan 31, 2011 2:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jarbean wrote:
Shame on those at Reuters responsible for publishing such drivel as characteristic of “Israel’s” sentiment. Anonymous, libelous and pejorative, this piece of amoral opinion cannot be characterized as news. Rather, it only contributes to pathos.
Jan 31, 2011 2:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NadPauKucGraMcK wrote:
Al-Mihwar TV:
Egyptian General Muhammad Khilf
3 towers detonated with Israeli help
5 dancing Mossad arrested in NYC
Jan 31, 2011 3:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
outspoken wrote:
The word ‘democracy’ is thrown around loosley by the liberal media and those rioting in the streets. What does anybody know about the ‘Muslim Brotherhood”? Will Egypt become another Iran? Is Obama just another Jimmy Carter? Those two presidencies are similarly and strikingly weak.
Jan 31, 2011 3:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
yuwei wrote:
Why is anyone shocked ? Carter lost Iran, Obama lost Egypt, two of the most important allies of the US. Kenyan is doing everything to weaken the US. He bowed to Chinese and Japanese so he can pile up more debt, blames traditional allies, and coddles US traditional enemies. I hope he can show his real Birth of Certificate before the next election.
Jan 31, 2011 3:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HopeChangeInAZ wrote:
I don’t know why this administrations response to the Egyptian crisis is a surprise to anyone. If the people and especially the experts in this world haven’t figured out by now that Obama is a neophyte especially when it come to managing foreign affairs, then I am not sure what it will take for people to realize. On top of that obvious nugget, Obama’s handling of the Israel relationship has been pretty dismal at the expense of unfriendly or potentially unfriendly Arab countries. The simple answer to this debacle in the White House is to send Obama packing in 2012.
Jan 31, 2011 3:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hikercoast wrote:
If the Israelis are upset about Obama’s betrayal of Mubarak, they have seen nothing yet. If Islamic fascists control Egypt, and effectively encircle Israel, the tiny country’s very existence will be at stake. Obama will not come to Israel’s aid; or if he is willing to do so, it may be too late.
The battle of Cairo has begun, just as battles have begun elsewhere in the Middle East. They will be ugly and brutal. When the dust settles finally, it is likely that America’s “Hamlet on the Potomac”—or “Jimmy Carter-lite”—Obama will have lost the region, just as Carter lost Iran to the Islamic fascists.
Obama is a fool and a feckless naïf, who is pulling out of Iraq completely. His policies are leading to the utter failure of his Afghan War; and it is simply a matter of time before he cuts and runs from there as well.
Jan 31, 2011 3:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
perseus317 wrote:
This should come as no surprise to anyone who has been watching Obama’s foreign policy closely. He has continually been trying to appease the Islamic extremists by apologizing for past U.S. policy, by moving further away from our ally, Israel, and by trying to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. All of these things, the Islamist extremists have interpreted as weakness, and they have acted accordingly. Obama has only served to embolden the jihadists, and will be seen by historians as the man who drastically increased the power of Islam around the world. Israel, for it’s part, will see Obama’s actions as cowardice and a betrayal, and will be less likely to cooperate with the U.S. in its policy towards other Arab countries in the Middle East. By now, they will have figured out that Obama’s declarations of support for the state of Israel were only words, and if it came to another Mideast war, Israel would not be able to count on the United States for support.
Jan 31, 2011 3:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Zypldot wrote:
I don’t know why Israelis are shocked. Obama hates them almost as much as he hates the US.
Jan 31, 2011 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ericfeinberg28 wrote:
Betrayal? I’m Jewish and yet I’m increasingly offended by Israel’s hypocrisy. Either democracy is a principle that civilized people stand for or it isn’t. If you only apply it where it helps you then it not only costs you your own credibility, but it hurts the credibility of democracy itself. America should learn that lesson as well.
Jan 31, 2011 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
boBNunny wrote:
“Egyptians deserve democracy as much as any other nation.”
Sure they do. But overthrowing your government by force (with elements from fundamentalists) is not democracy. You VOTE them out. If they protested calling for fair elections, that would be democracy. What is happening here is simply the fundamentalists trying to impose an Iranian style state. This doesn’t even remotely resemble a democracy.
Mark my words; this is a movement began by fundamentalist, extremist men. Probably associated with Iran or Al-Qaeda. Note the countries this happened in. Tunesia, Yemen, Egypt, et al. All of them at least partially are allies of the US. And most of the protestors are chanting “down with the puppets of the US”. Doesn’t sound friendly to me…
Jan 31, 2011 3:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FLirishPM1959 wrote:
So 3.6% of the population in Egypt start rioting, only as muslims can do, torching businesses and homes, because they’re suddenly all about ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’? Give me a break. Look how the ‘muslim brotherhood’ turned out for the people of Iran in 1978. Welcome to the new Egypt where walking down the street without a veil on will get you sent to prison, gang raped and then stoned to death. I’m sure everyone will wake up one day and think of the good old days when Mubarak was just a plain old thug. Barack Hussein Obama couldn’t be happier right now seeing a democratic state of Egypt go up in flames only to be taken over by hard line islamic thugs. Just his kind of people.
Jan 31, 2011 3:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EdtheFed wrote:
This shows the utter contempt and arrogance of Israel toward real democracy and real freedom. Israel has no respect for anyone. It is led by politicians which wallow in mendacity. They are among the most unscrupulous nations of the world and they hide behind the thin veil of democracy.
Any wonder why they have so few friends in the world.
Jan 31, 2011 3:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sunpig wrote:
They’re not really shocked, this just fits the pattern. The Obama administration does not take sides in conflict around the world. When terrorists took areas of Bangkok, capital city of US Ally Thailand, the state department circumvented the Thai Foreign Minister and had breakfast with the terrorists. When the terrorists shot grenades at innocents at a train station, the Obama administration called upon both sides to have restraint. When the soldiers only shot rubber bullets, while they were being bombarded with grenades, the Obama administration only called for restraint. They never offered to help, they never offered support. The only one they supported were the terrorists as they had the same progressive agenda that the Obama administration likes. I know all this because I was there the whole time. There at the train station and I followed the US embassy remarks and state department commentary the entire time.
Jan 31, 2011 3:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mrdarklight wrote:
Sadat was murdered by a truck full of assassins, not a single “fanatic”. Please try to fact-check your stories.
Jan 31, 2011 3:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
perseus317 wrote:
The people who are currently praising Egypt’s push for democracy are self-delusional fools. They are ignoring what happened when the people in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership. They are also ignoring what happened to the democracy in Lebanon just recently, when the country’s policies did not conform to those of Syria and Iran. One leader there was assasinated, and the elected government was just recently brought down so that a pro-Hamas leader/puppet could be installed in its place. There is no doubt that Mubarak was a dictator. However, I don’t hear the same people who are beating the drums for him to be replaced, doing the same thing for the replacement of Assad in Syria, or the ayatollas and their clown, Akamawhatshisname, to be replaced. The principle of democracy around the world is commendable. Unfortunately, when one looks around the world and sees fraudulent elections in Africa, Afghanistan, and other countries, one has to wonder about the ability of various forces to manipulate the process and the electorate themselves. If the replacement of one repressive government by another repressive government, then what is the point? If the current chaos in Egypt and other Arab countries results in furthering Islamic extremism and results in war in that area, is it still worth it?
Jan 31, 2011 3:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NeoConVet wrote:
Why should you be surprised, we here in the US are no longer surprised what our leftist, naive President and his merry band of bozo’s attempt to do on anything! I have to wonder if the Book of Revelations in the Bible is correct….actually I don’t have to wonder, but I know not when it will be carried out.
Jan 31, 2011 3:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JMWinPR wrote:
Why are you shocked? Look what he did to his Mother, his Father’s Mother, his brother, Rev Wright and Van Jones.
Jan 31, 2011 3:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zoso6322 wrote:
I’m glad the USA and its EU allies are starting to dumb Mubarak. The only reason Israeli pundits are shocked at this “betrayl” is because they are fast losing allies which agree with Israel’s policy of occupation and illegally taking land from Palestinians. Time for a two state solution, you won’t have a mid-east ally to fall back on this time.
Jan 31, 2011 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
yOy wrote:
yes, yes, Israel, its terrible that the will of the people should be honored. You know, its just this sort of comments that WILL make the new Egypt not a friend to Israel. Oh and nothing like irking your biggest ally the US, gonna attack one of our warships again in response?
Jan 31, 2011 3:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
icolbowca wrote:
boBNunny wrote:
“But overthrowing your government by force (with elements from fundamentalists) is not democracy.”
If we were in the same room right now I’d be pummeling you to the ground for being so damn ignorant. How do you think the USA achieved its democracy? Furthermore, you obviously have not VOTED in an Egyptian election before… where the current president seemingly wins some ridiculous majority of the vote every time. Douche!
Jan 31, 2011 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
yOy wrote:
Yeah, well they know it means they cannot continue acting like Palestine doesnt exist if the Dictator in Egypt is no longer at the helm.
Jan 31, 2011 3:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gneubeck wrote:
Jimmy Carter gave us the Ayatollahs in Iran, now Barack Obama is about to give us the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It’s no surprise that our devout Muslim in the WH, schooled from birth in Marxist dogma; and, experienced only in ‘Community Agitating’ as practiced on the streets of Chicago, while publically praising the Egyptian leader Mubarak would be secretively undermining him by providing guidance and counseling to Egyptian youth activists intent on overthrowing the Mubarak government. The Obama media is quick to emphasize that the Muslim Brotherhood, an ultra-extremist organization dedicated to the formation of a Muslim caliphate and imposition of sharia law on the entire Middle East, lacks a sufficient majority and populace support to achieve their objectives. It was only a few months ago that the same talking heads were erroneously discounting the Hezbollah fanatics attempts to achieve control in Lebanon! We should have learned from history that a small, dedicated, well organized group, willing to employ unconstrained violence in the pursuit of their goals can indeed prevail against a less-well organized majority more passive in their strategy. Unfortunately, Obama is a delusional narcissist who has actually convinced himself that foreign leaders, friend and foe alike, are enamored with his incoherent verbosity. In truth, they once viewed Obama with amused ridicule; but, now have come to recognize him as a dangerously misguided interloper. America is paying an agonizing and perhaps irreparable price for having elected such a severely destructive “incompetent”; and, the on-going Middle East inferno may well further enshrine Obama as: ‘Ignorance at its pinnacle’. Greg Neubeck
Jan 31, 2011 3:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jakesterman wrote:
I’m shocked the Istaelis are shocked. They are only now realizing Obama is a man with no integrity, no loyalty, no honor?
Jan 31, 2011 4:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Maskil wrote:
“There have been no peace treaties since.”
The Wye River Memorandum, negotiated between Israel and the Palestine Authority, was signed on October 23, 1998.
Jan 31, 2011 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NCMike wrote:
Having roiled the foundations of the American economy with his stimulus boondoggle, Obamacare takeover, and the Democrat “financial regulation” act, Obama is focusing his destructive, naivity and politically correct foolishness on US foreign policy and cutting the legs out from under US credibility, allegiance, and honor. How shameful.
Jan 31, 2011 4:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
noelleon wrote:
Unless he’s from Kenya, Obama betrays his own country. How do you expect him to not betray another?
Jan 31, 2011 4:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
icolbowca wrote:
To perseus317… is it worth it? YES! Absolutely. Some of us are not delusional… I know what the risks are… and it’s not like we live in this peachy world with Mubarak in charge. It’s all messed up… the whole damn thing including Afghanistan where the US has done nothing but prop up some sleezy, corrupt govt. A move that will most definately back fire on the US in the future. We must all aspire to live in a better world… and we do so one step at a time… helping EACH OTHER along the way.
Jan 31, 2011 4:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Landers10 wrote:
I love these people posting here that actually believe that Egyptians are protesting for democracy. What stunning naivete.
If there was an election in Egypt, the winner would be the Muslim Brotherhood. This would be nothing short of disaster for the world. Maybe even the coming of a third world war which might even include nuclear war. If this is democracy in Egypt, you can have it.
Jan 31, 2011 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
obfan wrote:
We do not understand Arab countries and everytime we have meddled in their affairs we bleed blood and treasure.
We have 9%+ unemployment here and centuries worth of oil,gas and coal.
Bring home the troops,put them on the border and start drilling.
Jan 31, 2011 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Miguel526 wrote:
As a Californian who’s finally seen through the lies of the left (some years ago) I have to say, “Why has no one looked at Obama’s political birthplace, Chicago, the most corrupt place in the entire United States?” Chicago’s political criminals more populate our federal penns than those from the entire rest of America combined.
In Chicago, political betrayal of your friends is no different what-so-ever than betraying your enemies. It’s ‘follow the money’. MSM is totally guilty of lying by omission to the world about Obama and his rise up through Chicago’s legendary back-stabbing corruption.
Jan 31, 2011 4:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Miguel526 wrote:
As a Californian who’s finally seen through the lies of the left (some years ago) I have to say, “Why has no one looked at Obama’s political birthplace, Chicago, the most corrupt place in the entire United States?” Chicago’s political criminals more populate our federal penns than those from the entire rest of America combined.
In Chicago, political betrayal of your friends is no different what-so-ever than betraying your enemies. It’s ‘follow the money’. MSM is totally guilty of lying by omission to the world about Obama and his rise up through Chicago’s legendary back-stabbing corruption.
Jan 31, 2011 4:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Miguel526 wrote:
As a Californian who’s finally seen through the lies of the left (some years ago) I have to say, “Why has no one looked at Obama’s political birthplace, Chicago, the most corrupt place in the entire United States?” Chicago’s political criminals more populate our federal penns than those from the entire rest of America combined.
In Chicago, political betrayal of your friends is no different what-so-ever than betraying your enemies. It’s ‘follow the money’. MSM is totally guilty of lying by omission to the world about Obama and his rise up through Chicago’s legendary back-stabbing corruption.
Jan 31, 2011 4:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EconoMike wrote:
Obama naive? No kidding!
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He has no experience in running ANYTHING!
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At least Sarah Palin was a Governor.
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Just look at Obama’s campaign slogan – “Hope”
Hope? What a joke.
Jan 31, 2011 4:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Desertdragon wrote:
I do believe that people who think these riots are about liberty and freedome have drank to much of the main stream media punch. The press and our over paid politicans are only “guessing” this has to do with some kind of freedom. Non mainstream media are reporting that the riots have to do with food supply and prices and government control on those things as well. There won’t be any democracy in Egypt. There never has been and never will be freedom in a Muslim country. Wait, the USA is no longer “free” either with so much federalization.
Jan 31, 2011 4:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PatagonianPlato wrote:
The chaos engulfing Egypt has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom or democracy. The western ignoranti suffer from the delusion that predominantly Muslim nations can choose between either a Mubarak type dictatorial regime or a Jeffersonian democracy. I include both liberals and conservatives in my indictment, for George W. Bush is thoroughly complicit in propagating the nonsensical notion of Jeffersonian Democracy in the Middle East. Western leaders and the press have learned nothing from their complicity in creating the bloodthirsty Khomeini regime in Iran. In comparison, the Shah was indeed an enlightened monarch.
Jeffersonian democracy is not now nor will it ever be possible in Islamic countries, for Islam is utterly incompatible with democracy. These countries have only variations on one model that they can follow; some form of a repressive non-democratic government. The central questions become, which type of dictatorship will least violate the rights of its minorities, Christians and Jews, and which will be least unfriendly to the Western democracies.
The press and the politicians seem completely oblivious to the significance of the two key facts. The Muslim Brotherhood, the hard line fundamentalist Islamic sect responsible for offshoots such as Al Queda, and Iran, one of the most repressive and murderous regimes in the world, are instigating and backing the lawless thugs running around releasing criminals and terrorists en masse from prison. Their publically and vociferously stated end goal is the eventual reestablishment of the Caliphate.
If the Egyptian Army does not ruthlessly crush these looting criminals soon, the bloodbath that follows in the wake of the creation of another Islamic regime will make Mubarak look like Peter Pan. Mubarak’s regime needs all the help the West can muster!
Instead, Obama goes out of his way to undercut support for Mubarak. Should we continue to give Obama the benefit of the doubt that he is just a well-meaning world-class ignoramus? Or, should we finally conclude that he is an extremely shrewd and cunning radical who knows exactly what he is doing, everything in his power to weaken the West.
Jan 31, 2011 4:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Harlo wrote:
gneubeck is right on. These “protests” in various middle eastern countries seemed to be coordinated. I guess Obama wanted to take attention off our economy he is ruining and now has his hands in these uprisings. I cannot stand to look at Obama anymore and I cringe when I hear is voice. He really frightens me with what he’s been doing.
Jan 31, 2011 4:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dfranklin wrote:
Who cares? Israel’s paranoia is going to get us all killed.
Fight for your freedom Egypt! Not all Americans are brainwashed, some of us support you.
Jan 31, 2011 4:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Buffmuffin01 wrote:
Egyptian ‘democracy’ has already lead to 3 wars perpetrated on Israel by Egypt…
Israelis are quite correct to fear Egyptian ‘democracy’…Which in fact, will be nothing more than another Islamic Theocracy.
Jan 31, 2011 4:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
shredman wrote:
Shouts for ‘democracy’ fueled by the Muslim Brotherhood is not a call for democracy. The overthrow of Mubarak will be explained away as the will of the Egyptian people. Then the will of the people will become the oppression of the people as the ‘democracy’, all too suddenly, mutates into extremely radical Islamic rule.
Jan 31, 2011 4:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
acdenco wrote:
Wait until they see how Obama turns on them next!
Jan 31, 2011 4:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OrnleyGumfudgen wrote:
Why are they “Shocked”? He betrayed the American voters who elected him. If he would do that to his own country just imagine what he would do to some third world country?
Jan 31, 2011 4:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rdpostsr wrote:
Did the Israelis expect Obama to be a loyal ally?
It’s a real shame for we Americans to be embarrassed of our President, but this man does not have a sense of loyalty to anyone but Lenin, Communist, and Socialist values.
Jan 31, 2011 4:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CDN_finance wrote:
Israel once again shows why the rest of the world is against it… standing up for violent dictators? Thank God Obama has more sense than that
Jan 31, 2011 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Nomasobama wrote:
Its interesting they would be surprised. I’m not. I expect Obama might next cut off aid to Israel if they think they can get away with it. As for Egypt’s government, its not like they haven’t had elections in the past. Whether they were phony is actually hard to say. Middle Eastern people are notoriously easy to push around politically. If a nation provides enough subsidies for the basics and weighs in an iron-fisted response against political opponents, a 30 year term or more is common. The people only became enraged with the rise of food prices. One can thank US energy policy for that. As the administration props up the ethanol market for the benefit of midwestern farmers, world food prices have skyrocketed. Even environmentalists are now against ethanol, yet here we are.
Jan 31, 2011 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MaggieLyn wrote:
Unfortunately, the Israelis are just learning that our President has no spine, his word means nothing, cant’ be trusted and probably is a closet muslim!
Jan 31, 2011 4:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheHistorian wrote:
Welcome to Barack’s world where our friends and allies are treated like evil enemies and those who hate everything we stand for are treated like honored guests to be bowed to and pandered.
Jan 31, 2011 4:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
txgadfly wrote:
Oh my! How twisted a reaction to call Obama “politically correct” for supporting democracy in the Middle East!
In the USA, there is absolutely no discussion of whether support for the State of Israel as it currently exists is in the interests of the American people. Such a discussion is definitely not “politically correct” and in fact threatens the renomination of any American politician who even considers it. What is “politically correct” is unquestioning subordination of the interests of the American people to the current State of Israel and its supporters. Almost the entire Federal deficit is accounted for by pro-Israel spending and no one will even discuss it. Cut care for the elderly and disabled before subsidies for Israel. “Politically correct” indeed!
Jan 31, 2011 4:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hkinsey3 wrote:
The Israelis shouldn’t get so upset…..Obama is always throwing someone under the bus…heck last year it was whole countries.
Jan 31, 2011 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:
Israel is doing what Israel always does and is putting Israeli interests above all others.
Israel does not care how many Egyptians die from hunger.
Israel does not care how many Americans die fighting wars to protect Israel.
Israel does not care that the US cannot afford to keep giving Israel huge amounts of money it just keeps demanding more and more.
Israel is like a spoiled child it believes that it is the center of the universe and no one else matters.
Jan 31, 2011 4:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PeteinMD wrote:
It’s pretty obvious to most that Obama inherited a bad situation and during the previous eight years, George Bush failed to improve things in Egypt. So, I think we should place the blame where it lies.
Jan 31, 2011 4:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fwupow wrote:
If Washington crossed the Delaware today to fight for independence against an authoritarian British Monarchy allied with Israel (no less a courageous gamble than what the Egyptian people have done), Israel would re-enforce the British.
Jan 31, 2011 5:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wbedding wrote:
obama is a naive child who has no clue what is going on in egypt. he has no clue what’s going on domestically. how can you expect a child to do the work of a seasoned leader? his attempts to be “politically correct” will destabilize the region and open the door for radicals to take over the government there. but then again, obama is a radical himself and is probably salivating at this moment knowing this.
Jan 31, 2011 5:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RW1 wrote:
Are the folks in Israel now criticising the U.S. President the same ones who turned a cold shoulder to him when he asked them not to continue to build settlements in the W. Bank?
Jan 31, 2011 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
freods wrote:
If the Muslim Brotherhood comes to power the Egyptian people will not realize a functioning democratic government but rather a theocratic thugocracy. Coptic Christians will be terrorized and Israel will be threatened. Mubarak brought this all on himself and could have transitioned Egypt to real democratic rule by stabilizing institutional democratic traditions. Unfortunately, now we have this.
Jan 31, 2011 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:
It really is quite shocking how so many Americans believe that the US owns the whole world. Statements like lost Iran, it was never a possession of the US to lose. You speak of countries like they are your car or furniture just possessions and the people are only wildlife to be hunted or tamed.
Jan 31, 2011 5:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fwupow wrote:
It’s either dump the Mubarak & his regime or dump the Egyptian people and their quest for Freedom from tyranny. If Israel can convince the US to dump the Egyptian people, then George Washington’s face on the dollar bill needs to be replaced with Benjamin Netanyahu’s
Jan 31, 2011 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mst3k wrote:
so wait, first obama gets criticized for not supporting democracy and the egyptian people when he told mubarak to reform but to stay, and he was painted as supporting a dictator in favor of stability at the expense of the peoples’ freedom. now that hes done otherwise he getting criticized again? wth?
Jan 31, 2011 5:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jsg wrote:
Watch and cry over the radicals under the name of muslim brotherhood take over. If the muslim religion doesn’t care about democracy, why should the rest do? Let the muslims fight it out.
Jan 31, 2011 5:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ccharles wrote:
Im all for democracy but im not into our top goverment officials making statements that inflame or embolden the demostrators of another country to stand up for there rights. Whos hands is the blood of these people going to be on? Them or us who told them its ok to ask for your rights.
They are already damaged now.. take years for them to recoup. Certainly worked out well for them.. got them out of poverty and unemployment. Wait till they see whats in store for them. City of 18 mill they say, if its only half of that even, shortly it will get real bad. No infrastruture will have devastating effects shortly, and for a long time to come.
Jan 31, 2011 5:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
walter12 wrote:
This betrayal should not be a surprise to anyone. Obama would betray his own mother. This man has no shame and by far the worst man to ever sit in the White House. Obama is despictable and the nation is in big trouble for electing this fraud.
Jan 31, 2011 5:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RLMLGM wrote:
The greatest expression of support for Israel is the US staying out of the political crisis in Egypt. American adventurism in the middle east has left Israel in a more vulnerable position vis-a-vis its Islamic neighbors IMHO. Let the Egyptians resolve their own political crisis and let’s not become the catalyst for extremists who are looking for every opportunity to increase their numbers. Egypt has existed as a nation state for over 5000 years. Egypt will survive this crisis and exist as a state for many more years. Hopefully, some restraint will temper the response of ideologues on both sides and foster the dialogue and peace needed around the region.
Jan 31, 2011 5:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
laughingblogger wrote:
Some countries are not ready for Democracy. They have the choice between Secular Iron-Fisted that keeps the whacked-out Religious Zealots under control Government or a Fundamental Religious Sharia Law having Death-Stoning control every facet of your Life Government.
Choose wisely…
Jan 31, 2011 5:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sedain wrote:
i think some of youre confused..this isnt a choice of democracy versus mubarek staying in power,it is a choice between mubarek our long time ally mubarek,who has brought peace to the region,versus the islamic brotherhood..just because they have managed to get people out into the streets doesnt mean much,especially in that region. conditions are terrible for most people,even in the best of times.
another dictatorship,for sure…one that isnt an ally of ours or israels.
democracy in the middle east? being brought about by the islamic brotherhood? what kind of fool are you? just because its the talking points of the media,doesnt mean its the truth,or even what is reality.
it is merely the viewpoint that they are putting forward.
one thing you can be sure of is that obama had a hand in this. why isnt the media asking obama what was said behind the scenes,who he has had contact with and why he hasnt done anything… they havent even asked him if keeping mubarek in power has been part of our strategy in keeping the peace in that region, and if so, why has that changed since the islamic brotherhood has launched protests,surely they are funded via iran and other radical leaning elements..they dont talk about it.
oh thats right,he doesnt answer questions..hes above that.
they need to talk about the islamic brotherhood more and do in depth stories on that organization,rather than false stories about how this is a popular uprising or “democracy”,LOL…those people are useful idiots for a cause supported w/ money from iran and other radical elements.
Jan 31, 2011 6:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jim9999 wrote:
Precisely, how should President Obama support President Mubarak? Should we intervene in a sovereign country with riot police, rubber bullets, tear gas and tanks? Perhaps President Netanyahu could be more specific. As for America’s word being worthless, that’s pretty strong rhetoric from a leader who’s country has a hidden nuclear arsenal thanks to the People of the USA! I am weary of seeing our beloved USA become the target of Moslem hatred thanks to our alliance with Israel. There has to be a more cost effective and humanitarian way to make peace in the Middle East, and to still have access to Middle Eastern oil without allowing Israel to set our Middle Eastern policy. Talk about the tail wagging the dog! At this juncture, those of us who are not naive, must contemplate how Israel will covertly strike back at the USA to make us pay for shocking them.
Jan 31, 2011 6:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:
This article sure brought out the Zionist zealots!
All this talk about Israel being a democracy, being US’s friend, is a bunch of hooey.
First off, many people live in Israel besides Jewish faith people. Thus there is no legitimate way you can have a democracy if you have a Jewish state. An apartheid state with special rights for one group, Jews, over the others, non-Jews, is not a legitimate democracy, and therefore according to all the many pro-democratic ideals of the West and others, it should not have Western support. A Jewish democratic state is a contradiction in terms!
Secondly, Zionist Israeli supporters have bullied the US population for way too long. It is about time we stood up to them, and simply not be Israeli patsies to fight their silly religious/apartheid/racist wars. The whole idea of Israel in the ME was a ridiculous idea which British and the US politicians caved in to for quick political gain. And then we future generations were left to cope with it.
We need Israel friendship like a hole in the head!
Jan 31, 2011 6:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
drmorocco wrote:
I have a great idea. Why doesn’t Israel go help Mubarek? They are well armed and have a standing army? Israel should invade Eqypt and put an end to this evil uprising.
Jan 31, 2011 6:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GozerZuul wrote:
Reuters, you are either losing it or are deliberately misleading. Sadat was not killed by “an Egyptiuan fanatic” – he was deliberately assassinated by a carefully orchestrated mission of the Muslim Brotherhood. The same Brotherhood who would almost certainly swoop in and fill the gap if Mubarak is deposed (like the Ayatollah Khomeineh and mullahs in Iran). This is the huge risk for the region, the US and the world. How can you gloss over this major connection between past and present?
Everyone knows this but you, apparently.
Jan 31, 2011 6:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SullenToledoan wrote:
So the Israelis are upset that we’re not acting with only their interests in mind?
Considering all the military and monetary aid we provide them, they sure don’t do much to look after our interests. Their continued obstruction of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, as illustrated in the recent leaks of the diplomatic cables detailing the Israelis’ complete unwillingness to consider a peace treaty, even in the face of huge concessions by the Palestinians, shows us that they couldn’t care less about our interests in the region.
If they want to play ball and actually take the peace process seriously, maybe then we should start to give them more consideration in regards to how we handle the Egyptian crisis. But, until they do, I don’t think we should worry too much about what they think about how we handle ourselves in this situation.
Jan 31, 2011 6:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pompay wrote:
….would Israel support dictatorship for Egypt when it would not tolerate it for itself?
Jan 31, 2011 6:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SullenToledoan wrote:
@RW1
Exactly, exactly… If the Israelis want us to continue to look after their interests, they’re going to have to start taking ours into consideration. Quid pro quo.
Jan 31, 2011 6:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ultraworld wrote:
Where was our Secretary of State and our President? This didn’t just happen out of the blue. I’d say our State Department & Presidential Office was asleep at the switch. This is a huge failure in Middle East relations. It’s Jimmie Carter all over again.
Jan 31, 2011 6:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
burningtree wrote:
Shocked? Like in Casablanca maybe…. When will Israel understand that Barack Obama is not a friend of Israel. Nor is he a friend of anyone other than his minions. His middle name is Hussein, and he is quite proud of that.
Jan 31, 2011 6:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MarkoD wrote:
I’m sorry, but if it takes supporting a leader that has rigged elections, suppressed freedom of speech, and other necessary pieces of the democratic puzzle despite claiming to be a democracy, is this the way to support Israel? What would the leaders of Israel do if most of its people wanted them removed? Don’t they have a democracy? America has supported too many corrupt regimes in order to maintain what we want to happen or not happen throughout the world. It’s time to put our money where our mouths are. We spend billions on dictators and wars claiming to desire to bring democracy to other countries. Shouldn’t we then accept the will of the people as democracy is supposed to do? Not to create new theocracies or aristocracies or dictatorships, but genuine democracies.
Jan 31, 2011 6:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nickleflipper wrote:
Tell me, Sinbad1, if someone came after your family, your children, would you put your family’s interest first, or would you try to reach out and be understanding of why they want to kill you? Do you care how many Haitians, Ethiopians, Tunisians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Russians, Mexicans, die of hunger? If so, what are you doing about it?The US is giving huge amounts of money to Israel, but it also is giving huge amounts of money to many other countries. You sound like quite the little anti-semite.
Jan 31, 2011 6:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
drmorocco wrote:
What is Israel willing to do to help Mubarek. Please mention something that doesn’t require the US to spend money or blood?
Jan 31, 2011 6:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nickleflipper wrote:
And, Sinbad1, as far as Israel thinking it is the center of the universe, what do you, in all your brilliance and fairness, think they should do? Do you think the muslims will let them live in peace? Do you think they should leave Israel and turn it over to the Palestinians? We are all eagerly awaiting your advice on how Israel should handle this situation. When we hear your thoughts, I feel sure we will know exactly where you stand on issues. Anxiously awaiting your reply.
Jan 31, 2011 6:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mistered wrote:
Hey Netanyahu, you can see what Obama has done to Mubarak. I’m sure you can continue to count on Obama’s support too.
Jan 31, 2011 6:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
saucy_fellow wrote:
Why is anyone surprised, especially Israel? This is what the Pharaoh of Chicago is best at doing, throwing people under a bus. That bus has some pretty bloody tires on it.
Jan 31, 2011 6:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RGR wrote:
“America’s word is worthless”: which word? The promise to support democracy? Or the promise to support dictators so long as they provide stability? In this case, the USA actually DOES get to keep its word. It can support democracy and let the dictator fall because he obviously wasn’t providing stability.
And maybe if Israel had gotten out of the settlements, had stopped the provocative construction, and had made real concessions to cut a deal with the PA it wouldn’t be so worried about street-rage in Egypt eventually getting deflected onto it. If peace is what you want, your policies have a strange way of showing it. Take responsibility for your own actions, and quit expecting the USA to back you up even when you embarrass our diplomats at the highest level with provocative gestures.
Jan 31, 2011 6:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nickleflipper wrote:
Oh, Sinbad1, no one thinks of Iran of as a possession, but we think of other countries, such as Lebanon, Turkey, Poland, etc. as allies. We don’t like to lose friends. You just don’t get that, do you? We don’t possess them, we just rely on them as someone who would rely on a friend in time of need.
Jan 31, 2011 6:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nickleflipper wrote:
I am incredulous at the amount of anti-semites on this thread. On second thought, no I am not. Typical democrats and libs.Go ahead, guys, encourage destabilization of the Middle East, then don’t scream when after the Islamists take over the Suez Canal, it costs you $10 a gallon to fill your Prius.
Jan 31, 2011 6:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
marked wrote:
Wow. What a bunch of Monday night quarter backs. These situations are more complex than your assumptions and especially your bias. Check your own baggage at the door before you condemning other’s intentions. The net net of this entire Mid-East ordeal is that once Israel is out of the picture, you will have zero democracy in that part of the country and WWIII is guaranteed.
Jan 31, 2011 7:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Hupsters wrote:
Can’t get the “Manchurian Canditate” thought to go away.
Jan 31, 2011 7:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
scuzzi76 wrote:
That darn Bush, bringing democracy to the Middle East. Better he had brought a constitutional republic.
Thank you Wiki…
“John Adams defined a constitutional republic as “a government of laws, and not of men.”[1] Constitutional republics are a deliberate attempt to diminish the perceived threat of majoritarianism, thereby protecting dissenting individuals and minority groups from the “tyranny of the majority” by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.[2] The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who are required to legislate with limits of overarching constitutional law which a simple majority cannot modify.”
All hail the goose-step progress of Iran’s idea of democracy.
Jan 31, 2011 7:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Damnstraight wrote:
Surely the good people of Israel are aware that the majority of American Jews voted for Mr Obama when his attitude toward Israel and the Arabs were well known. Perhaps their anger and disbelief are misplaced.
Jan 31, 2011 7:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CppThis wrote:
Egypt is a basketcase. On the one hand, Mubarak is something of a thug and definitely had it coming. On the other hand, this could easily get out of hand and we wind up with another Iran–or worse, Afghanistan–and that’ll make Mubarak look like good times to anyone who’s not a radical Islamist.
I hope things turn out well in Egypt, but the region’s history of revolutions backed by Islam-focused political groups does not bode well for either regional security or domestic freedoms. Could be a bumpy ride.
Jan 31, 2011 7:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
neahkahnie wrote:
The Israeli P.M. doesn’t want to end the repressive dictatorship in Egypt? What a joke! The tail is trying to wag the dog in this one.
Israel should be ashamed, not wishing democracy for it’s closest neighbor. It would rather see stability than a viable population with jobs, homes, food, etc. How disgusting.
Jan 31, 2011 7:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jefftitle46 wrote:
The world is quickly learning what I realized about a year and a half ago. Obama’s words mean nothing. He abandoned Mubarak because of the treaty with Israel. Pitiful…
Jan 31, 2011 7:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
neahkahnie wrote:
Overthrowing a government by force is wrong? What do you call 1775? Peaceful demonstartions? Give me a break
Jan 31, 2011 7:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Humility101 wrote:
Before Israel pundits or Mr. Netanyahu can rush to judgement about Mr. Obama’s response to the crisis they should remember that Israel is in part responsible for the anti-Mubarak sentiment because Mubarak has taken a soft diplomatic approach to Israel and not a hardliners approach. Surely there must be another suitable leader in Egypt that can carry that nation into the 21 century, any leader who attempts to lead that long dictates rather that inspires.
Jan 31, 2011 7:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Cuttimer wrote:
“Democracy” in Egypt is likely to be a one time event followed by unending repression by the lovelies who succeed the current administration. It is very likely to be extremely antiAmerican and antiIsrael with a strangle hold on our oil supply. We need to be developing ALL of our energy sources and Drilling baby drilling!
Jan 31, 2011 7:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
toyotabedzrock wrote:
If you don’t think we are reliable then feel free not to take our money anymore.
Jan 31, 2011 7:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SeidonOp221 wrote:
I at least like to believe the United States stands on broader, more significant principals than whether our foreign policy is convenient to the people of Israel. We send our men and women to die in hostile foreign lands to bring democracy to those rules by oppressive dictators who threaten our national security. It seems consistent with that effort to support other people of the world in their efforts to bring democracy to themselves. If not through military action (which I would not support here), at minimum through our words and influence.
Our belief that all men are created equal, and endowed with certain unalienable rights–including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness–does not and should not end at our borders, or the borders of Israel. If Israel does not like that, or does not wish its freedoms to be enjoyed by others in the world, then it should at least step out the way.
Jan 31, 2011 8:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CalDre wrote:
I would be jumping for joy if in fact the US had thrown off the yoke of tyranny of Israel in particular and the tribe’s power in general.
Unfortunately it’s not the case, this is just a psycho-ops, the tribalists are smart enough to know they need to signal the opposite of what they want to maximize odds of success. I think they want Mubarek out, apparently b/c he has lost the support of the Egyptian Army and Israel wants Egypt’s army under its control.
It’s all waiting for the destruction of the al-Aqsa mosque, so Israel can rebuild the third-temple, which will herald the coming of the Messiah to rule the world. Having to face an Egyptian army might put a damper on these plans, hence the need to have an effective tool in the Egyptian leadership position.
Jan 31, 2011 8:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OCTheo wrote:
Netanyahu should not include himself and his party as “civilized people of the world”, because no human being civilized or not should treat another living being as Israel treat the Palestinians especially the ones in Gaza.
What he wants is a dictator who can help him and his government oppress the Palestinians. If he likes Mubarak so much, Israel should give him citizenship and make him President of Israel for life.
Jan 31, 2011 8:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CincinnatiRIck wrote:
Oh, please! Israeli politicians are shocked that Obama is throwing Mubrarak under the bus? What planet have they been vacationing on? It’s one of Obama’s one consistent traits.
Jan 31, 2011 8:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jaglowsd wrote:
Maybe you should have stopped building those settlements when we asked…
Jan 31, 2011 8:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WilliamPenn27 wrote:
It’s 23 months ’til that clown in the White House is gone, but he’s gonna do 23 years worth of damage.
Jan 31, 2011 8:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
valwayne wrote:
The only surprise is that anybody including the Israelis would be surprised. Didn’t they see the disater Jimmy Carter created with Iran? Did anybody think that Obama is any more competent than Jimmy Carter?
Jan 31, 2011 8:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rbblum wrote:
I’M CONFUSED . . . why would Israel be shocked by Obama’s ‘betrayal’ of Mubarak when Obama, having proclaimed his intentions to fundamentally transform the United States, has publicly altered his public position 180 degrees: from embracing (Saul Alinsky’s) socialism to longing for (Ronald Reagan’s vision of) capitalism.
Jan 31, 2011 8:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
txgadfly wrote:
Excuses, excuses. Those of you who do not care what happens to my country, the USA, have had too much say for too long about too many things. Time to stop meddling here. This sort of behavior will not end with anything you wish for, but with a population that actually discovers they are going bankrupt to keep you from having to form a democratic secular state. Those of you here who would deny me and my family our social benefits so you can seek some sort of “end of the world” war can just get out and move to your spiritual homeland.
Jan 31, 2011 8:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JCoubarous wrote:
Its kinda of crazy on this topic because everybody depends on the USA for everything If Obama choose to back up the President he loses and if he backs up the people of Egypt he loses either way he has enemies on anything, Can the USA just stop being the police of the world let China or the UK deal with it, everybody is looking for America to do something and when they do they get trash talk i wish we would just sit down like the other countries and do nothing let China deal with it
Jan 31, 2011 8:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Visitor123 wrote:
Israel has one interest only and that is self-preservation. A brutal dictator who is a friend is preferable to any unknown quantity. If the U.S. doesn’t carry water for Israel, it is criticized. That the United States might balance its commitment to Israel with a willingness to support the legitimate aspirations of those neglected and abused by despotic leaders, whether in Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia, is laudable. By giving some consideration to Arab aspirations, we might also take some air out of Islamist terrorism. Only time with tell about that, but in the meantime, leaders in Israel are apoplectic that Obama and Clinton seem unwilling to genuflect at the altar of Israel. Israel remains the hundred pound gorilla in that region who pretty much does whatever it wants, whenever it wants, damn the consequences for anyone else. Personally, I’m very happy to see a little bit of independence on the part of our elected officials, most of whom are in AIPAC’s pocket.
Jan 31, 2011 8:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Anthonykovic wrote:
Old dictator on his way out, a new dictator will soon replace him. There are 22 Arab countries in the Middle East and not one is anything near being a true democracy. Thair culture is governed by a fervent belief in Allah or brute force – any often both. The US is not doing itself any justice by siding with “strategic” dictators. A dictator remains a dictator. Support a dictator, whatever your reasons are, and you will ultimately pay the price.
Jan 31, 2011 9:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:
The US are diplomats – not arrogant thugs like some Israelis.
The will of the people are democracy. The will of a tyrant is
not something worth supporting in the long run.
If Israel wants to see this as a stab in the back – they are a nation to be feares since they will never respect democracy by their neigbors.
Best cut the ties with Israel, before they use their sneaky methods to stir up the middle east again and drag an unwilling USA into doing their deeds while supporting their government with USA welfare gifts.
Jan 31, 2011 9:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
thetruepatriot wrote:
Everyone wants America to do everything. But whenever we do something someone is pissed off and whenever we don’t do something someone else is pissed off.
We need to STOP giving money to foreign countries. Let them fend for themselves, especially right now.
We need to end the Fed.
We need a COMPLETE overhaul of our politicians.
Jan 31, 2011 9:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
oldeurope wrote:
Oh, cry me a river. You people have a democracy. Why deny it to others?
Jan 31, 2011 9:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Larry2012 wrote:
Get God to protect you, Israel. You’re His Chosen People, now stop your incessant whining and do something to justify His choice. What have you done to promote peace other than brandish your rusty swords at your enemies and make threats? Oh yes, and there’s all the killing too. Stop it. The same goes for the Palestinians. Both of you are behaving like spoiled children–an excellent excuse for the young, but your cultures are thousands of years old. Haven’t you learned anything except how to hate in all those years?
Jan 31, 2011 9:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
schmetterling wrote:
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Wow! These comments by Israel are dangerous and provocative, and really undermines any effort by the U.S. gov’t to help Egypt. What do our parents say “iF YOU DON’T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, SAY NOTHING AT ALL”
Jan 31, 2011 9:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gofigure48 wrote:
It’s high time we (USA) quit propping up illusionary support for Israel with our multiplied billions to Egypt. If Egypt truly embraces a treaty with Israel, now is the time to know it. I endorse Obama’s stance that Egyptians deserve a democracy of their own at whatever price this entails for Israel.
Jan 31, 2011 9:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kiwiurleburd wrote:
Look at history….does it not show that the powers that B have done this in the past. It makes one wander if there is an agenda there and who is really influencing these rioters.
Jan 31, 2011 9:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Shukla wrote:
dont worry netanyahu, your good friend obama will install mubarak’s twin there too. and in iraq saddam II, nothing to worry about, chill!
Jan 31, 2011 10:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
motamanx wrote:
Israe,l with this comment, has shown that she herself is not a “reliable ally.” Israel has been heavy handed in the region for 30 years, and America, to its shame, has underwritten and/or forgiven Israel’s unspeakable acts.
Jan 31, 2011 10:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rahm2 wrote:
Netanyahu says of Mubarak: “..he did keep the peace in the ME”.
Is that so? By conspiring with Israel to close the Gaza border with Israel so that innocent people could be genocided? Judge Richard Goldstone says that this a war crime and crime against humanity. Is that keeping the peace? I think not.
Jan 31, 2011 10:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
sandhuatretuers wrote:
Do you SERIOUSLY think a freedom loving free society will be th eend result here ? This is Iran and Jimmy Carter II . There are 2 count them 2 outcomes here . The present , not so hot government , or the Islamic Brotherhood running Egypt ( the mother of radical islam ) Pick one . And PS do some background reading before you post non sense.
Jan 31, 2011 10:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
HumanR1ghts Are you THAT naive ? Seriously man . Just like the Ayatollahs after the fall of Iran promised to be a free society and moron Carter fell for it . Soon afterwards the executions started and Iran is still , to this day, run by fanatics and thugs. The Islamic Brotherhood is backing the protest in Egypy. They are highly funded and VERY VERY organized . Who’s going to run the country , the
college kids ? Get real man
Jan 31, 2011 10:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
badjrsgord wrote:
You have another liberal Democratic President with no foreign policy exerience and what do you get?….another Jimmy Carter just like when he ditched the Shah of Iran and now look what we have there!!
Jan 31, 2011 10:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
picomanning wrote:
Isn’t it Obama’s intention to destablize the American culture? To destablize the American currency? To destablize the middle east?
Who is Obama and where did he come from? Where are his college friends? Where are his college records? Is Obama friend or enemy? Seriously!
Jan 31, 2011 10:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
keepeyeongovt wrote:
The US should just stay out of the Middle East. That part of the globe has been in conflict since day one and will continue to be in conflict till the last day.
Jan 31, 2011 10:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
STOP STOP STOP YOU IDIOTS.
Democracy ??? What the hell are you talking about ?
You people are really stupid . Do you think for a second a free and open society will be the end game here. Geeez you need to do a little reading and stop thinking ABC CBS and CNN are telling you
the truth.The Islamic Brotherhood is running the riots and THEY will be the end game . So if you think Iran is bad well just whatch what happens here . Now you will have Iran and Egypt to deal with
Go back and read about that other incompetent fool Carter and Iran . This
is a carbon copy of what happened there . !!!!!!
Radical Islam KNOWS Obama is weak and they SMELL it a mile away .
This is all part of it .
Jan 31, 2011 10:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
Yes the present government is no bargin for sure but just wait until you see what Egypt will be by next year.
A Nazi/Islamic/Fascist hell hole like Iran . With no freedoms at all. See how many of these well meaning college kids are executed once th Islamic brotherhood takes over. Do a little reading folks and stay off the damn tv for 5 minutes
Jan 31, 2011 10:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
picomanning
You’ll never find out my friend ….
Jan 31, 2011 10:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
gofigure48
A little COMMON SENSE PLEASE.
If the end result of this situation was a Democratic free society
Israel would be happy. Maybe they know a bit , just a wee bit more than you do
about what this outcome will be . MORON
Jan 31, 2011 10:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Norm56 wrote:
NOt surprising. Leftists and Communists are very deceitful, and will stab anyone in the back to secure power, which is what they actually are about. The DNC and the cronies they hire will always say they are “helping the little guy”, but what moron would expect them to come right out and tell you anything else? More and more Obama is provinghe cares more for Muslims than us our our allies.
Jan 31, 2011 10:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
schmetterling
Another fool believing that this is a democracy revolution . And the PEOPLE will tak over the dictator and Egypt will be a free nation . Not even close to reality buddy .The riots are backed and organized by radial Islam and THEY will turn Egypt into another Iran . You need to read about some mid east history and you need to get a basic undert
understanding of worl politics on an international level
before you speak. So many on here are beyond naive.
Oh yea right Egypt’s people will finally be free. Sounds like Jimmy Carter on Iran some years back. The mullahs faked the pants off of the hick fool . Egypt will be a dangerous new enemy of the USA
Jan 31, 2011 10:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
Obama is proving cares more for Muslims than us our
our allies.
Funny thing is half the people on this thread don’t see the obvious
Jan 31, 2011 10:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
jaglowsd wrote:
Maybe you should have stopped building those settlements when we asked…
A dumber mor eignorant post would be hard to find. Get off the TV and do some reading will you . Geeez you leftist follow ANYTHING they tell you don’t you . Like good little sheep
Jan 31, 2011 10:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
Butch_from_PA
Get off the internet and finish your homework before mom
catches you. She wont put up with you not getting out of high school another year.
Let people with some education post on here ok jr
Jan 31, 2011 10:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:
JCoubarous
America can’t d much anyway these days . We have the weakest
president is outr history and our enemies smell it. Why do
you think there are riots world wide backed by the
Islamic Brotherhood in many cases. People here have to stop with the naive hippy crap “og the people are rioting for freedom” The REALITY is that radical Islam backs these riots and the killing fields are right around the corner in Egypt. Mark my words .
Jan 31, 2011 10:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:
@nickleflipper What is all the jibberish about coming after my family coming from. The Egyptians haven’t threatened Israel you are just making this stuff up. And yes I do care about innocent people dying of starvation especially when it is caused by evil intent. Do I think that Muslims would let Israel live in peace, probably not whilst Israel is starving Palestinian Muslims and just won’t negotiate. Why would the US think of Lebanon and Poland as allies. Israel is an ally of the US and Israel bombs Lebanon so it is hard to imagine the Lebanese people being friends with the guys who make the bombs the Israeli’s drop. Poland, well how much did the US have to pay Poland to send troops to Iraq. In your sad world you might buy friendship but that is not how it works for most. Iran had its democratically elected Government overthrown and a King(Shah) installed by the US and the British Governments, which isn’t very friendly is it. The Iranian people now have to put up with the Mullahs who grabbed control when the people stood up to rid themselves of the debauched King, and it is all because of the US and the UK. Do you now understand why the people hate the two countries that have caused them to be oppressed for 70 years.
Regardless of religion Israel is a fascist regime they could be Hindu or Buddhist they would still be fascist warmongers to me.
Anti Semite well I think the greatest threat to the Jewish people in the world today is Israel, which is sad because many Jews are kind caring people but they are tarred by the brush of Israel because it claims to be a Jewish state. Israel has many Arab inhabitants but they don’t seem to count and is reminiscent of Apartheid South Africa. Apartheid South Africa another fascist regime that was an ally of Israel and Israel even offered to sell them nukes.
I am fed up with this crap that if you criticise Israel you are an anti-Semite. An ahole regardless of religion is still an ahole.
Jan 31, 2011 10:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
billybob1 wrote:
I’m sure “Uncle Sam” is hard at work behind the scenes, sticking its nose in what is the business of the Egyptian people. The US with over 1,000 military bases around the world is always ready to “lend a helping hand” in the name of “freedom” and “democracy”. If not for the US inserting itself into the business of other sovereign nations — at great expense to the US taxpayer — the USA (already bankrupt) might have a good health care system, good schools, good infrastructure, a balanced budget and a reasonably satisfied population. The fact is, our government seems to be focused on “nation building” everywhere except at home, which is why the US Congress is held in very low esteem by the vast majority of Americans who sincerely believe they are not being represented in Washington DC.
Jan 31, 2011 11:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
billybob1 wrote:
I think we’ve seen the true colors of the past few US administrations and they’re not red, white and blue — just green, as inthe color of money. Greed rules nowadays, and the little people can go to heck.
Jan 31, 2011 11:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DennisinWV wrote:
Israel is “shocked” by Obama’s “betrayal of Mubarak? How many times has Obama thrown the USA under the bus? Nothing this man does shocks anyone in North America anymore.
Jan 31, 2011 11:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GoldenRudy wrote:
Democracy and Islam … same as Oil and Water. Remember, the Shah was accused of torturing people considered enemies of the state. His replacement, the holy Ayatollah (sarcasm), gathered up prostitutes and executed them in the Tehran soccer stadium. Boy, what an improvement; what an enlightened leader, the Ayatollah. I think an exodus of Christians, Jews, and any other identified “devils” from a post-Mubarak Egypt will be underway before the new democracy is in place.
Jan 31, 2011 11:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
luismgz wrote:
The U.S has always betrayed all of its “allies”, with the exception of Israel and the U.K.
All the others were always brutal dictatorships, independent hired guns, or corrupt regimes from all over the third world. Every time one of these allies gets uncomfortably indiscreet for the U.S government, the support is dropped and forgotten. Need some example? Saddan Husseim, Osama Bin Laden, Noriega in Panama, the argentine Junta, Pakistan’s Musharraf and the list is large…
Jan 31, 2011 11:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
74LS08 wrote:
Reuters articles became extremely inaccurate. Example: Anwar Sadat was not assassinated by a fanatic. e was killed by an organised plot with at least 4 people actually participating in an attack.
Don’t you people have a fact checking department?!
Jan 31, 2011 11:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
varod wrote:
It looks as if USA is putting its own interests first. It must be a change for Israel to see they are unable to influence the US policy so that the interests of Israel are paramount.
The question is, will the rest of the western world do the same as the USA.
Jan 31, 2011 11:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RynoM wrote:
How many of our important friends and allies are shocked when we do not reflexively do whatever they want us to do, when they want us to do it? How many of them routinely decline do do as we suggest at the same time? The US is not anybody’s wind-up toy and our own interests come first. That should not be too hard to understand.
Jan 31, 2011 11:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:
I hope that Israel realizes that they could be the next country that America abandons.
Having Israel as a friend is costly and America is so deeply in debt that Moody’s is considering lowering America’s rating.
Jan 31, 2011 11:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:
I hope that Israel realizes that they could be the next country that America abandons.
Having Israel as a friend is costly and America is so deeply in debt that Moody’s is considering lowering America’s rating.
Jan 31, 2011 11:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:
The dispatch of Wisner as envoy seems less an effort for outright expulsion than an opportunity for frank fact finding and transition planning. Surely, Isreal has a realist understanding of the situation including the advanced age of President Mubarak.
Jan 31, 2011 11:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
freud101 wrote:
Particularly with the Muslim countries, the so-called “dictator” is usually (perhaps always) the more democratic and progressive force. That was certainly true in the cases of the Shah of Iran, who was leading his nation into the modern world and somewhat moderating the barbaric travesties of Islam. Now Iran is burdened by a far worse dictatorship. I hope the same thing does not happen in Egypt. But probably it will. There is no such thing as a “moderate” or “democratic” government dominated by Islamists any more than there could be such a government dominated by Nazis or Stalinist Communists.
Jan 31, 2011 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bubba777 wrote:
Ummm, who needs the “strategic ally” position more in this equation: the US or the Middle East? If the US cut all strategic benefits for their “strategic allies” tomorrow, who would suffer more? Remember, Pakistan became a “strategic ally” after 9/11 due to a meeting in which the US military promised to bomb them back into the stone age if they choose the wrong side, and then dumped billions of dollars into their economy. I don’t see Mubarak ever being in a position to pull something like that against the US. Welcome to the big-boy table, “allies”.
And to blame the US for their own mistreatment of their own citizens (and others’) is a bit of a stretch, wouldn’t you agree? It’s a case of “Down with America, Don’t meddle in our internal affairs America, but please don’t leave us at the mercy of our own people, America”.
So Israel can say what they want, but Obama has the mandate on many different levels. Obama is bound by a legacy of civil and human rights that would never allow him to come out publicly in favor of more Mubarak. The strange thing is that Isreal is also bound by a similar legacy. Overlooking this important characteristic of Obama’s presidency shows a disconnect between reality and Middle East politics.
Jan 31, 2011 11:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
arcoknuti wrote:
there is a lot of misinformation and biases in these comments. Israel should be ashamed at how they betrayed Obama by building more settlements that halted the restarted peace talks. The tidy world order that the American Empire has designed is reordering itself more validly for the Arabian people. More power to them and less to us is our just deserts for the ruthlessness of our means and our support for the ruthless Israel. Fall Empire just dont fall on me. Sell your stocks they are but shares in the Empire which is ruled by the dark side and its minion Wall Street.
Jan 31, 2011 11:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dwroberts wrote:
“Democracy” in the Middle East means Sharia law. America has lost the chess game. Muslims believe they have the momentum to conquer the world, including the United States. Western Europe is about to topple. With an America-hating President in the White House, patriots in the United States will soon have no choice but to revolt if they want to save the country. They will be battling illegal immigrants, Muslims and most of the negro populace. There will be no borders in this war.
Call me crazy, call me racist, call me anything you want. The handwriting is on the wall. Soon Americans – especially white Americans – will have to say, “Give me liberty or give me death.”
Jan 31, 2011 11:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mike_houghton wrote:
What do they really expect Obama to do that they couldn’t effectively do themselves? They’re just trying to force the US to get more involved in a situation that they have no business being a part of. This is pathetic.
Jan 31, 2011 11:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jimfact wrote:
20,000 protesters in a city of 18 million does not a majority make. Likewise Obama isn’t supporting those protesters demand of disbanding the entire government of Egypt. What he has done is called for a plan to implement elections by Sept. this year. I am at a crossroads myself on this topic. If we support free elections in Egypt I would put my money on a radical islamist gaining control of Egypt very soon (in the first or second election) This is what has happened in every muslim country that has tried it. I for one think it is in our best self interst to have Mumbarak in power and keep the loyalty of all the pro-US dictators in the region. After all these dictators are repressing mostly anti-US extremists and thus are unpopular for the very reason that they are loyal to us. I think that Obama’s call for free elections in Egypt will cause the other tyrants to curry favor with our enemies so that they have public support.
Feb 01, 2011 12:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
Heyyo wrote:
If I was Israeli I would be concerned.
Feb 01, 2011 12:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
KCEddie wrote:
What do you expect from the Bill Ayers protege. Why would he not back the radicals.
Feb 01, 2011 12:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
KCEddie wrote:
What do you expect from the Bill Ayers protege. Why would he not back the radicals.
Feb 01, 2011 12:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
justrucking wrote:
Democracy? What does that mean to the Egyptians? The USA is a republic, as our founders understood the meaning of a “democracy” and would have none of it. And from what I have read here in these post, is that most of you in the west believe that the Egyptians think like westerners in terms of government. I wish the Egyptians well, and hope they find what they are looking for, but I look at their plight as that of a dog that chases cars, one day he actually catches one, now what?
Feb 01, 2011 12:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
John2244 wrote:
You can argue every aspect of whether this good, bad, long term, short term, etc, etc. But there is one truth – this was bound to happen and there is nothing Obama can do except give tentative support to the protesters so the US has some chips on the next table.
Bibi knows this and what he is saying is bull – his rhetoric is because Israeli’s are worried and this will pick up on their emotions. He is always thinking two steps down and securing votes for his party….love him or hate him – he is the perfect politician.
Feb 01, 2011 12:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
giveitthought wrote:
“Throughout Asia, Africa and South America, leaders are now looking at what is going on between Washington and Cairo. Everyone grasps the message: “America’s word is worthless … America has lost it.”
Funny, that’s exactly what we’re thinking here in the U.S.
2012 can’t come fast enough for us.
Feb 01, 2011 12:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
silent_onlooker wrote:
the theocratic government in iran isn’t any different from the one in saudi arabia, the difference is that the iranian govt sees america as an enemy because during their revolution, america took sides with the shah and they thought he would prevail. after they took over, america funded another dictator saddam in a war against iran and america continued to put sanctions against iran. now the american govt has to be careful with its rhetoric, they have to prepare for a mubarak overthrow, because the country is at the mercy of their military right now.
Feb 01, 2011 12:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
silent_onlooker wrote:
saddam was an american darling until he invaded another american ally kuwait, before then saddam was considered a moderate ruler. if isreal takes steps against its illegal settlement and stop sabotaging the peace process, it will have less to worry about. more moderate voices are being suppressed in isreal and the more radical isreal becomes, the more the arabs seek similar radical islamic equivalents.
Feb 01, 2011 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
jimchape wrote:
I don’t know where Douglas Hamilton is learning his history, but it appears to be from some work of fiction. Anwar Sadat was NOT assassinated “by an Egyptian fanatic.” He was assassinated by a group of killers belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood. They attacked him during a military parade, storming the reviewing stand where Sadat was reviewing the parade, killing him and many others in a well planned attack. By contrast, the guy who murdered Yitzhak Rabin was, in fact, a single crazed gunman. Comparing the two attacks is like comparing the guy who shot up the police station last week with the 9/11 hijackers! They both killed people but there was a lot more planning, coordination and organization in one than the other. And now it seems the same Muslim Brotherhood is up to their old tricks in trying to destabilize Egypt in the hopes of staging a radical Islamist coup and turn the country into another ‘beacon of freedom’ like Iran. This same Muslim Brotherhood is the parent organization of Hamas, Al Qaeda and many other Islamic terrorist groups, all dedicated to destroying Israel and the US and forceably imposing Islam on the rest of the world.
Feb 01, 2011 1:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
OldSage wrote:
I think too many people are historically illiterate. What is happening in the streets of Egypt is not at all like our American Revolution. Before our revolution, the colonies already had a long tradition of representative government. Moreover, let’s remember that our revolution, which was really a war of independence, only gave free property owning men the right to vote at first.
People taking to the streets and rioting is more in line with the French Revolution. This type of revolutionary model usually does not lead to democracy. Instead it usually leads to a period of chaos, followed by a power struggle, and ends in a worse dictatorship, Napoleon, than was originally the case. This occurred during the Russian revolution leading to a Bolshevik/Communist takeover. It also occurred during the Iranian Revolution leading to a theocratic state under Ayatollah Khomeini and his successors.
Folks this is not how democracies are born. This is not a democratic movement in the streets. This is not at all like our countries revolution. Please don’t be so historically naïve. I tell you, if Hosni Mubarak is forced out of power in an abrupt way, we may come to regret it for not only years, but generations to come.
Feb 01, 2011 2:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
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