Egypt and Indonesia

As Mubarak teeters, lessons can be drawn from Suharto's ouster.

As mass protests sweep through Cairo and Hosni Mubarak teeters, some U.S. observers have turned almost reflexively to the analogy of Iran and the Shah in 1979. “Just look at Iran,” Leslie Gelb wrote earlier this week: If the Muslim Brotherhood takes control in Egypt, which Gelb believes may be at hand, “it’s going to be almost impossible for the people to take it back.”

At times of unexpected but momentous political change in distant countries, we grasp onto political analogies to help get our bearings. Even if we know they are imperfect, we can’t resist their tempting suggestiveness. But, if we cannot resist them, we can at least choose them thoughtfully. Invoking Iran after the Shah is scary indeed, but dangerously misleading. A different analogy that provides more useful grist for our unsettled analytic mill concerning Egypt is Indonesia and Suharto in the late 1990s.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt today is significantly different from the Islamist movement driven by Ayatollah Khomeini that ended up grabbing power in Tehran. It has renounced violence in both word and deed for decades and undergone a significant process of moderation. It lacks a charismatic leader such as Khomeini and has already confronted limits to its popular backing through its unofficial participation in parliamentary elections. The current protests in Egypt have focused on non-religious concerns and not featured Islamist slogans or objectives. The Muslim Brotherhood will certainly play an important role in post-Mubarak Egyptian politics, but Egypt is not ripe for a radical Islamist revolution.

In Indonesia, a dictator who had ruled for more than two decades—holding himself out as the only guarantor of his nation’s stability and serving as Washington’s steadfast ally—tumbled from power after a brief but intense surge of protests led by students and a smattering of NGOs that had managed to survive in the narrow margins of Indonesian political life. The Clinton administration stayed with the aging tyrant almost to the bitter end, issuing tepid calls for reform, refusing to believe he could fall so quickly and worrying deeply about what might follow—chaos, an Islamist takeover, or an actual breakup of the country.

Yet, despite its abrupt, unprepared transition, absence of any deep experience with democracy, entrenched security forces with blood on their hands, and location in a largely undemocratic neighborhood, Indonesia navigated a shaky but remarkably successful passage to democracy. Today, it is the largest democracy in the Muslim world, enjoying rapid economic growth at home and actively supporting democracy in its region. Four Islamic political parties are represented in Indonesia’s parliament and the president’s cabinet, but their vote share has diminished over the past ten years, dropping below 30 percent in the last parliamentary elections. Moderate Islamic values have gained ground in the society generally; Islamic radicalism, after lashing out violently, is marginalized.

Of course, Egypt’s historical path, societal makeup, economic conditions, and national character differ in many ways from Indonesia’s. Nevertheless, enough of its socio-political experiences and structures bear resemblance to Indonesia’s ten years ago—from its newly assertive mix of idealistic young protestors, civic groups, and political opposition parties to its longstanding effort to balance secular and Islamist values—that Indonesia’s democratization offers some hope for Egypt. Accordingly, it is worth noting some of the keys to Indonesia’s successful transition.

First, the post-Suharto political renovation was inclusive despite the powerful mass rejection of the prior dictatorial order. The interim president moved quickly to allow freedom of expression and open the political space. Apparatchiks around the dictator managed to find a new political role for themselves through a transformed former ruling party that emphasized its technocratic capabilities. The army, which had played a key role in facilitating Suharto’s stepping down by refusing to violently repress the protesters, saw its political role greatly reduced but only bit by bit, through constant negotiations and compromises. Political parties of all sorts were allowed to flourish, despite the messiness of the initial elections and governments.

Second, once Suharto’s abrupt ouster was achieved, the transition became intensely legalistic and iterative. Indonesia put itself through seemingly endless phases of constitutional, electoral, and other legal reforms, carried out in a spirit of compromise. The vague but emotive reformasi ideal was gradually translated into concrete institutions, rules, and procedures. The serious pursuit of this detailed reform agenda helped Indonesians tolerate a transition period marked early on by a dubious post-dictator leader, disturbing outbursts of violence, economic woes, and the breaking off of East Timor.

Third, the United States and Europe overcame their suspicions of a political transition they had long dreaded and offered valuable assistance in support of elections, political party development, civil society strengthening, and legal reform. Perhaps in part because of Indonesia’s large size and relative geographic isolation, the outside actors never tried to guide the process, but instead accepted a modest, quiet, yet also persistent role as helpful partners. Indonesians’ positive experience with this external assistance helped contribute to their own noteworthy determination to become active supporters of democracy in their own region.

No analogy will see Egypt fully through the difficult times it faces ahead. Its path will be a complex amalgam of political transitions from many parts. But, as we search for ways to make sense of what has been unthinkable for so long in U.S. policy circles, we should avoid the simplistic scare scenarios that come from poorly chosen analogies. They are, after all, the same scenarios that led U.S. policy to avoid realities it should have started facing seriously in Egypt, and the Arab world more generally, years ago. We would be wiser to look to Indonesia as an example of how a democratic transition in a Muslim country can be successful.

Thomas Carothers is vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and has written extensively on democratic transitions and international support for democracy.         

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COMMENTS (9)
02/02/2011 - 10:21am EDT |

Indonesia's "...absence of any deep experience with democracy..." does not factor in aspects of centuries of Javanese culture that favor (often endless) consensus-building.
And, except for Aceh on the tip of Sumatra, Islam in Indonesia at the end of Suharto's rule was a highly syncretic blend built on Buddhism, Hinduism, and Animism.
I would also like to think Egypt can follow the Indonesia example, but Arab Islam and Egypt's 5,000 year national identity are both so very different, even more different from Indonesia than Iran.

02/02/2011 - 10:38am EDT |

Carothers is purveying dangerous nonsense. Muhammad Badi, the leader of the Mulsim Brotherhood, has said the following among many other radical anti-American and anti-Israel statements: "Resistance is the only solution.... The United States cannot impose an agreement upon the Palestinians, despite all the means and power at its disposal. [Today] it is withdrawing from Iraq, defeated and wounded, and it is also on the verge of withdrawing from Afghanistan. [All] its warplanes, missiles and modern military technology were defeated by the will of the peoples, as long as [these peoples] insisted on resistance - and the wars of Lebanon and Gaza, which were not so long ago, [are proof of this]."

02/02/2011 - 12:13pm EDT |

The comparison between the development of democracy in Indonesia and the Egypt's potential growth to democracy provides for optimism. Egypt's future may be in doubt as external influences try to determine Egypt's ultimate political institutions.

02/02/2011 - 1:39pm EDT |

We should all hope for the best - but there is one thing that Indonesia does not share with Egypt and which is quite prevalent in Middle Eastern societies - the sense of victimhood. There are now placards appearing blaming the US and Israel and death to the Jews have been scrawled on walls. Let us hope that this is just a minority view and that the majority of people want to focus internally on improving their own lives.

02/02/2011 - 3:09pm EDT |

"We should all hope for the best - but there is one thing that Indonesia does not share with Egypt and which is quite prevalent in Middle Eastern societies - the sense of victimhood"

I would define the difference more straightforwardly: Indonesia is not an Arab country.

02/02/2011 - 6:38pm EDT |

Iran is not an "Arab country," either. For that matter, what is an "Arab?" Are stereotypes of Arabs different than stereotypes of Jews? Perhaps Martin Peretz has retired from blogging too soon; perhaps he could have straightened us all out on the proper use of stereotypes.

02/02/2011 - 6:51pm EDT |

I'm very curious: Are you disputing the existence of an Arab people, skahn?

Even more curious: What stereotype do you discern in my comment that Indonesia is not an Arab country?

02/04/2011 - 3:01pm EDT |

jneuberg: one thing that Indonesia does not share with Egypt...the sense of victimhood

noga1: I would define the difference more straightforwardly [than neuberg]: Indonesia is not an Arab country.

noga1: What stereotype do you discern in my comment that Indonesia is not an Arab country?

me (yrz truly): Well, since the only difference between saying that Egypt has a sense of victimhood and saying that it's an Arab country is one of straightforwardness...gosh, I don't know. What stereotype **can** one discern here? I'm not expert enough to say whether the stereotype is a pretty good generalization, but let's not pretend it's not a stereotype.

02/08/2011 - 9:16pm EDT |

Without stereotypes we cannot communicate. Hopefully we use more than that, and challenging stereotypes is part of the exercise, but still.