The Next Tunisias

When dealing with a revolution to assume that it will go the way of the French Revolution is a safe bet.

i'm a Tunisian and i assume that such a revolution will produce difference , i'm not saying total democracy but the situation will be much better than before , we can now start the minor changes you mentioned in your post .
the real problem now in tunisia is everybody want to take a profit from this revolution and erase all people who participated in the last government.
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I might add that after the Americans finally get their tails between their legs and leave, another autocrat will take charge immediately and give his thanks to the US for leaving such a mess behind.

But I guess the key difference is that with or without Atlanticist meddling, in my view there is little to no hope for the Muslim world simply due to the fundamental tenets of the religion (and therefore the civilization) itself. If someone were to wave a magic wand and suddenly remove all of the barriers caused by western imperialism would we see some magical resurgence of Islamic thinking? Or would we just see more of the same "if god wills it" superstitious nonsense, oppression of women, Jew/gay-hating silly, primitive behavior we've seen to date?

Islamic society was fine before the west started meddling. Up until a few hundred years ago, the western world was behind Islam. They used colonization and war to make sure that current world order doesnt flip. Iraq was a very modern developed nation before the first gulf war, now they cant manage electricity. Islam is progressive. You are a fool for speaking about a faith you know nothing about. The west is anti-women not Islam. Theres a reason your men dont want to marry western women, their just used and disposed of, you dont hear women in muslim countries complaining about lack of commitment. Western women are pretty much men, they curse, have tats, drink, and have lots of sexual partners, some even have it filmed. If thats pro female you can keep it. Gays destroy society by creating male/female imbalances, the west is going extinct because of dwindling birthrates caused by gays and feminism (choosing career over kids). Christianity holds the same views. Gays are also many times more likely to catch and spread aids then heteros. Gays only seem normal in the west because european males are naturally very effeminate. And the thing about jews.....you guys have massacred and holocausted them how many times? The west has a long long history of banishing and killing jews. So I suggest you keep your mouth shut.We hate them because they stole muslim lands and oppress muslims, thats justified hatred. The jews hate nazis for the same reason.

I know a tremendous amount about Islam, and what you’ve written is typical Muslim apologist nonsense – a curious mix of pseudo education, homophobia, aggression and total falsehood.

A few quick rebuttals:

“Islamic society was fine before the west started meddling.” Oh really? Are you pointing to the “golden age,” control of trade routes, etc? Yeah, you guys were good at running ships and camels back then, but that’s about it.

“Islam is progressive.” Ah yes, the religion that advocates beating wives, taking slaves and subjugating other religions. Please boy, you have no credibility whatsoever with that nonsense. Islam’s actions and its writings are plain for everyone to see.

“You don’t hear Muslim women complaining about lack of commitment.” Yeah, you hear them complaining about lack of education, lack of legal representation, lack of the right to show their faces in many Muslim countries and quite often lack of the sexual organs god gave them by right.

“Gays destroy society.” That’s so stupid it doesn’t even warrant a response. Your entire civilization is nothing but a backwards slum and you blame a handful of gays for “destroying society.” You make me laugh child.

“The west is going extinct.” We may not view the western womb as a weapon like you guys do, but we’re far from extinct. We also have a life expectancy way beyond 45. Also, the number one cause of death in our civilization isn’t being murdered by other westerners, can’t really say the same for Islam can you? Nope.

“European males are effeminate.” Really? Then why is it so easy for them to kill Muslim men by the dozens in Iraq and AF? You guys may have beards but your kill ratios are so low. Maybe you should call the Vietnamese, they knew what they were doing.

“You guys have massacred [the Jews].” Yep, we’ve massacred a lot of people - you guys are top of that list right now (sucks eh?). Difference is our holy book doesn’t command us to do so. Are you following me?

So, I suggest you get back to stuffing kebabs and quit blaming “the west” for your backwards mess of a pretend civilization. Call us when you’ve figured out to launch a space shuttle. Or just call us when you get running water. We won’t wait by the phone.

"Yeah, you guys were good at running ships and camels back then, but that’s about it. "

LOL Try cutting edge science and math, cataracks surgeries when europeans were in the dark ages lying in their own filth. The west was enlightened by Islam, this is fact, brought out the dark ages. Running camels? Thats a pathetic stereotype. Even the ships the west used to conquer the new world were of muslim design.

"Yeah, you hear them complaining about lack of education, lack of legal representation, lack of the right to show their faces in many Muslim countries and quite often lack of the sexual organs god gave them by right"

this is also a stereotype and even then has nothing to do with Islam. Women can be educated in islam.

I wont argue with you about gays, since you are probably yourself an effeminate white male, I know how hostile you get when your scant masculinity is threatened (oppression of blacks and even removal of their penises out of jealousy) But gays are bad. They are 3% of the popuation and are 50% of Aids cases. Unless spreading AIDS is good.If you think a man boinking another man in the a$$ is normal then you have mental issues.

The west is going extinct, your women dont want to have children with you, plain and simple. You will be a minority in your own nation soon enough, same for europe. Musim countries have low murder rates, find a more believable stereotype. America has more murders than all of europe and im guessing asia if i look into it.

"Really? Then why is it so easy for them to kill Muslim men by the dozens in Iraq and AF? You guys may have beards but your kill ratios are so low."

Using superior weapons doesnt prove manhood. If they had the technology to fight back, you wouldnt have started a war with them in the first place. Iraq, Afghanistan, somalia. All really weak countries. If it was evenly matched you wouldnt stand a chance as your boys wouldnt fight without massive air support. You are all extremely effeminate and you know it. Getting PTSD from killing your enemy from 1000 yards, while 13 year old afghani kids fight you in the day, and play with their friends in the evening. Take a testosterone shoot instead of attacking or hating everything under the sun. It explains your anger at a patriarchal society.

"Yep, we’ve massacred a lot of people - you guys are top of that list right now (sucks eh?). Difference is our holy book doesn’t command us to do so. Are you following me?"

Nope. Doesnt say to attack anyone in Islam. The whole "attack the infidels quote in the quran is a quote that is cookie cutted out. Before it it says get a peace treaty with your enemy but if they break it and attack, kill them. All you do is point out the kill them part.You're massacres werent because of religion they were from the sick mental insecurities most european males are born with. Couple hundred jews took over a nation of millionS? kill them. The asians are gonna rise and dominate us, kill them.

"So, I suggest you get back to stuffing kebabs and quit blaming “the west” for your backwards mess of a pretend civilization. Call us when you’ve figured out to launch a space shuttle. Or just call us when you get running water. We won’t wait by the phone."

Wow that is pathetic propaganda. Want to see the evils of the west in muslim land? Look at Iraq 1990 and iraq now. Dont you guys threaten to "send to the stone age" your enemies all the time? A space launch? Have you ever gone to a RnD Dept of boeing or nasa. There are very few westerners, its mostly asians. You'll be bragging about space shuttles like im bragging about 1500s scientific advances in the future. Asia is currently rising because the west can no longer oppress it. When muslims countries no longer have brutal US puppets they will pass you up, just like the rest of the world. Your kind wont even exist in 150 yrs because of "enlightened thought" like feminism and homosexuality. Go on an anti_obama diatribe because he makes you feel like a 9 year old boy. Hope your alive to see a mexican majority, it will be fun, cause believe me they are planning pay back

Don’t go overboard on the golden age, the one thing you people did right was to have the good sense to save the Greek writings from destruction. Was it Averroes who wrote that his treatise on physics was so influenced by Aristotle as to be written by him? I can’t recall, but such is the story of Islam – very little authentic innovation, but some degree of development of pre-existing concepts, and for that you deserve credit. Limited credit, but credit.

Oh, ok. Any evidence of the oppression of women in Islam is “just a stereotype.” God you people are stupid. Do you honestly expect the rest of the world to just go along with this ridiculous nonsense when the facts are plainly evident for all to see? Female circumcision? The burka? Legal representation of women in Sharia? The filth about women in the Koran? You’re so stupid, you people deserve to suffer. Did you know I used to very anti war? I used to view you as human like anyone else. That was until I lived among your kind.

I love how obsessed you are, like so many Muzzo males, with proving your masculinity. No wonder your nations are obsessed with rape and are bringing this epidemic to Europe (not so much to the US, we’ll just shoot you and you know that, keeps you lads in line). Truly primitive, pathetic and driven by the lowest common denominator – your sexual ego identity. I’ve found Muslim men, unlike virtually all other men, can only define their sexual identity in relation to something else – the weakness of women, the hatred of gays, etc. It is as if you people have no internal sense of who you are or what manhood is about so you have to express masculinity through brutality. Fortunately, you’re also notoriously feeble minded so you don’t get very far. I asked a rabbi once about the Muzzo threat and he said, “They’re nothing compared to the Nazis. One million Nazis is 100 times the threat of one billion Muslims, because they’re not very bright and they’re too focused on honor and women to do much.”

The Mexicans are planning payback? For what? The tremendous opportunity they have realized in America because unlike your kind they work hard and are intelligent? Praise be to Allah you’re a stupid specimen, even for one of your kind.

As for your claims about the religion of “peace” yes, it does say you should attack your enemies until Islam is the law of the land. It’s a fact, it’s in there and as much as you scum try to pass it off on “out of context” or “it reads a bit different in literary Arabic” we all know it’s in there, very plain to see. And your actions support it. Ask the Kurds. Ask the Sikhs (speaking of real men, they’ve claimed more Muzzo heads than anyone and are still a kind and wonderful people). Ask the black Sudanese that Islam enslaves (slavery is another wonderful benefit of Islam, how peaceful).

As for Asia rising, that’s very true and the success of China and India is well deserved, I’m glad to see non-western nations like these succeed in the free market because their civilizations re built on high ideals – but by Asia we mean SE ASIA, not the filthy middle east. As for Muslim countries “surpassing” the US, half of your people are illiterate and inbred. Illiteracy in “modern moderate” Turkey is enormously high. Who do you think you’re kidding? You’re so far behind the civilized world it’s pathetic. As for your love of Obama, I love him too – he’s got the Muzzo world eating out of the palm of his hand with a few kind words while he continues to bomb the sh*t out of the dust bowls you call countries. He’s played you quite well in fact, and on that front I do like him very much. Glad to see you do too : )

Never said i liked obama. I didnt try to play up my masculinity and neither do muslims. genital mutilation is about as muslim as trailer trash incest is Christian. On the Contrary it is europeans that are obsessed with their lack of masculinity, why else would they have put so much effort into destroying blacks and Africa? Wasnt even that long ago youd hang blacks for looking at white women, you were afraid their masculinity would cheat you out of all your women, Not a surprise africans in america are way better off than black americans are.

Also you first mention that caravans and trade routes is all muslims ever had, and now you recognize otherwise.
Hospitals, wind powered pumps, gas masks, fountain pen, antiseptics, chess, scientific method, pharmacology, human autopsy, discovery of infectious disease and the immune system, dental restoration, pharmacies, process of visual perception, general anaesthesia, modern soap, toothpaste, algebra. Just to list a few. All original ideas, not greek. Ive met Iranian muslims(persian empire), turkish muslims(ottoman empire), nigerian muslims(timbuktu, where greeks came to learn), they all have higher education and income levels than americans do. Even the arabs do. Your just an angry white boy, you want to belittle and dehumanize others and their capabilities and accomplishments, while playing yours up. I guess thats a decent way to fix your broken ego. If your so pro female, go and save your own women, their all stuck in mentally disturbed whore mode.

“If there is much misunderstanding in the West about the nature of Islam, there is
also much ignorance about the debt our own culture and civilisation owe to the
Islamic World. It is a failure, which stems, I think from the straight jacket of history,
which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from Central Asia to the
shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished.
But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien
culture, society and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great
relevance to our own history.”
Prince Charles in a speech “Islam and the West”, Oxford, 27th October 1993

If Islam was backwards they would have never been able to accomplish what they have and you know it, your anger and hatred is obviously dripping in hatred. If you want me to explain how a kurd feels about Islam because of his oppression, SHould I then ask how the Irish felt about christianity after the treatment they got from the Brits?

Did you just say mexicans are intelligent?? Your off your rocker, they get out of high school at lower levels than blacks do. And blacks dont care at all for school. Your obviously an idiot. 70% of mexican women are at some point physically beaten by their husbands. But to you they are intelligent and hardworking? Pure propaganda to suit your retarded point of view

I'm not an arab. Im not talking about non muslims as effeminate just westerners (whites), Biologically you know its true, you avoid topics that you cant refute. To this day your blacks are kept in complete poverty and thrown in jail with sentences 8 times longer than whites(worse than apartheid south africa).You get 100x the punishment for crack than coke(white drug). You didnt even attempt to disassemble my argument about Islamic civilization and how its advances lifted the west out of the dark ages. The west has simply lost its ways and you know it. It wasnt that long ago women in america dressed modestly, stayed at home, and saved themselves for marriage. You guys werent attacking Islam back then but you are now. Your women have jobs handed to them thru affirmative action, its mostly for women not minorities. Orgasms? Yea basic stastics show that most dont get them, unless they use toys look it up.Nice spin though. Your used up, diseased, masculine sluts. Have fun with some other dudes leftovers. Men ruled over women in the US as recently as the 50s, ironically the golden years of america. Now you are riddled with single mother households than crank out whores and future criminals at 5x the rate of two parent homes. If you think ending up with a woman who has been banged and sprayed by dozens of dudes is enlightened, well ill pass. I'm supposed to explain or apologize for what a couple in Af or US have done? Can you explain the austrian guy who fathered 6 kids with his daughter? Or the Americans who dragged a black man from a pick up not that long ago? The women who drowned her 5 kids? THe numerous men that have killed their own kids? Theres nothing oppressive about a woman covering her body. You guys used to do that. They even do so in CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM(look at an orthodox womans dress). Christians just dont follow their religion. Why do nuns dress very similar to muslim women. You cant lash out at Islamic dress for women for both other major religions require the same, most just dont follow. Do you think they are backwards and woman hating as well? I know for a fact most men in america have very low views of american women. American women are considered good only for sport f#cking, this is the view of alot of men. There are even websites devouted to using western women and marrying for a patriarchal country. You can try and use selective reports to explain your propaganda all you want. My point was blacks and mexicans have low test scores and low graduation rates, and are both heavily demonized in the US. But you play them off as proud, great, hard working, and so on. Along with India, were untouchables arent allowed to walk near your home without a preist cleansing the accursed area. They also have monkey prisons in India, and sh1t on the side of the street. But their awesome like you say, because that would help paint the world as rational and legitimate while Islam as evil and backwards. In both other major religions, they have the EXACT same view of women and gays, yet you have nothing to say about them.

The problem with the West is arrogant stupidity, shameless greed and ignorant idealism. The problem with Islamic countries is that they were advanced 600 years ago and forgot to keep on going. China was once all-powerful compared with the European barbarians. Then it fell asleep. It is awake now but the Islamic countries still refuse to change.

But they can possibly wake up. The West will probably insist in its arrogant stupidity until they bury it. But it will be China at the shovel, not the Islamic nations.

And nobody will respect anybody's right to ANYTHING. Capitalism as is will fall only when the US collapses.