Don’t try to control our lives, say Saudi women

RAZA

Mar 8, 2011 10:12

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Girls shut up! no one is intrested in treating you as human being! What are you? a commodity, a mean of pleasure and a burden, and such things do not have feelings. Kill you feelings and live.

MUKHTAR FARID

Mar 8, 2011 10:19

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Are we born free? It is a big question mark what we call as freedom. If we believe that we are from Allah and we have to return to Him. In this case we are bounded by the laws of Allah. So we are not free. If we do not believe then we are atheist. An atheist is bound by social culture around him, for example he has to dress and cannot walk naked, he cannot have sex with his near ones, as restricted by social norms [I do not say by God as he is an atheist]
Humans are bound to have certain restrictions due to religion, culture, society, nature and ethics. So no one is free on this planet.

So no one is free to do anything they like to do, and they have to accept certain restrictions imposed by religion, society, government and culture.

A READER

Mar 8, 2011 10:19

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I fail to understand why media is publishing such things. The atmosphere in the Kingdom is very peaceful and I dont think there is any problem for women. Newspapers should refrain from publishing such naive demands which are attempts to change the decent atmosphere and create disturbances in Saudi Arabia.The so called women's day and women's rights is nothing but to destroy and damage the dignity of women and just to uncover them in the name of freedom which is very bad and shameful.

SRKJED

Mar 8, 2011 11:39

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Dear Women of Saudi Arabia, I do understand that you face a lot of trouble in daily lives, due to your dependency on your Meh'ram. But I would suggest that you stay away from the mainstream, since most men in this country are so ill-mannered and mishbehaved that they can even frustrate menfolk.

AWADH

Mar 8, 2011 11:47

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Assalam Alaikum Rima, You wrote: "Young Saudi women are calling for more freedom and liberty in their own country. On International Womens Day, university students claim that women in Saudi Arabia need more independence because their daily life is filled with restrictions".Is it "all" young Saudi women or some? Be careful. Some restrictions are ordained by the All Mighty one, Allah. Be proud of your religion. In islam everyday is womens day. Don't listen to slogans of enemies of islam such as "women's freedom", "women's day" etc.. The enemies want to destroy muslim ummah, especially women. Rima, be aware of enemies of islam. May Allah guide us all to His straight path. Arab News, I hope for once, you'll post my comment.

REX

Mar 8, 2011 11:47

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Solution ? One planet for MEN and one planet for WOMEN. HAIA will be more than happy.

FREDE KJAER

Mar 8, 2011 11:50

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Giving equal rights to women and men will prevent future tensions in the Saudi society. It will of course require concessions from many men, but in the long term it is the only way to go.

S HAQUE

Mar 8, 2011 11:54

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Saudi law is heavily infested with man made opinions especially when dealing with women and in many cases goes against the holy Qur'an.

ABID

Mar 8, 2011 11:57

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As a Muslim I want to say strongly, if the Women was allowed to ride the Camel alone during the period of Rasulallah (Sallellahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallem) then now we have to allow the women for driving a Vehicle but if it is not allowed then I advice my Muslim sisters please think about the life after death and fear with Allah abide to Islamic rules.

Please do not follow the path of shaitan follow the path of Ummuhat-ul-Momineen (Mothers-of-the-Believers) and try to get married in timeâ¦

MOHAMMED

Mar 8, 2011 11:58

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As a Muslim I want to say strongly, if the Women was allowed to ride the Camel alone during the period of Rasulallah (Sallellahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallem) then now we have to allow the women for driving a Vehicle but if it is not allowed then I advice my Muslim sisters please think about the life after death and fear with Allah abide to Islamic rules.

Please do not follow the path of shaitan follow the path of Ummuhat-ul-Momineen (Mothers-of-the-Believers) and try to get married in timeâ¦

OLEK

Mar 8, 2011 11:58

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To all ! take a look at current mankind history, and get a chance to flow with it or you will be old and angry before you think about it !

Long and Happy life to all women and men on a peaceful and free planet !

HAMID

Mar 8, 2011 12:01

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@ A READER.. Such an ill informed person with an ostrich attitude.. having a closed mind.. one should never ridicule other's opinions.. see rationale and find ways to address and resolve genuinine concerns.. a dumb child does not give a home a peaceful atmosphere.. why always treat ladies with such disdain.. so called male chauvinists accept Hillary Clinton, Benazir Bhutto, Sheikh Hasina, Angelo Merkel, and many more, with respect and dignity that they deserve.. Women have lead Islamic countries with most Muslim population.. be proud of that.. it is not that every lady in other country drives and who talks with other men has loose morals.. it is a sick mind.. that thinks like this.. these men are fine when thy talk with other men.. and let them answer honestly, do they always get dirty thoughts.. treat other ladies as friends, mother, sister and daughter.. pls understand that there is a limit to subversion.. so accept teh facts and change else you will be left behind.. and it may lead to unwarranted developments.. by closing eyes and refusing to see will not change the facts.. let us not live in denial mode and stop procrastinating.. May God bless all with sane, rationale, pragmatic and progressive thoughts..

UMAR

Mar 8, 2011 12:03

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womens are given high position in Islam i think it is enough for them. Y these women looking for pleasures in this world just imagine the gifts and pleasure in Jannath.

MAJID

Mar 8, 2011 12:10

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Kudos to Arab News for this brave and "in-your-face" article. may the conservatives of this country lose hold and allow us to bring about progress and development. If we leave our country in the hands of our forefathers we will become the next Afghanistan. God bless the King for his reform in education to change the mindset of the Saudi society.

MUSLIM

Mar 8, 2011 12:12

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Saudi Women should be given the rights, but not like western countries. See the result, women leaves the home even in mid night without anybody's permission.

SARA

Mar 8, 2011 12:17

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i guess not publishing my comment is a reflection of women rights in this paper!!

RAZA

Mar 8, 2011 12:20

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To Mukhtar! great advice.. But what about the freedom which Allah has given to a women. Choose a suitable match (even if you take with the consent of a guardian), from where did permission from Govt came into play (saudi women cannot marry a muslim non-saudi man without permission, which takes ages, even if given. One more point to A Reader's say, I think women's day is also Haram (un-islamic). Great way to deal with the problems, just say no problem at all.

N.A. MOHAMED SADIQ

Mar 8, 2011 12:21

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Be careful. Some restrictions are ordained by the All Mighty one, Allah. Be proud of your religion. In islam everyday is womens day. Don't listen to slogans of enemies of islam such as "women's freedom", "women's day" etc.. The enemies want to destroy muslim ummah, especially Muslim women & girls.

EUGENE

Mar 8, 2011 12:23

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To all young women... you should be thankful to Almighty God you have this excellent system that's for your own benefit....

ALREHAN

Mar 8, 2011 12:28

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To the women who wants to go and cheer for her favorite football team - Why do you wish to reduce yourself to a simpleton when you can be a higher class woman.
Does freedom mean you would like to trample upon Islamic law (Not Saudi Customs) to get your thrill of the day?

Why do women in Saudi Arabia think that they are not contributing to society unless they are working along side the men. You know taking care of a family is work too - that will be much appreciated when you find your child has been brought up to lead the country.

So drop this non sense that has plagued western women. I live and work in America and trust me most of the working women here would just love to take care of only their family. But the reality is someone has duped them into working outside 9-5 and then working again at home taking care of the kids.

ISMAEEL MARIKAR

Mar 8, 2011 12:31

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It is Islam that gave rights to women long before the others. I am surprised that these "women's demands" come mostly from women in Saudi Arabia.Obviously they are not aware of the position of women prior to Islam.They have to read the Quran to know the position of women.Allah has guaranteed them their rights,but with this go obligations.You cannot take Islam "piecemeal"The present situation has arisen, because parents do not know, that a woman has the right to choose her spouse but of course, the parent as guardian has to give his approval.In the event of a parent denying this right,she can go to a judge who can listen to the case and adjudicate.
Now coming to husbands,they should also know that they have to treat their wives well and that she too has her rights,again obligations too.
If both men and women know the limits placed by Allah and fear him,there
need be no problem
"Getting married is easy.Staying married is more difficult.Staying happily
married for a lifetime,should rank among the fine arts." I am on fifty.
Some thing women should know;
"If you take a look at many societies today, a woman is only valued and considered important if she performs the functions of a man, (while at the same time displaying her feminine attractions to the public). While these women may carry the immense responsibility of bearing and rearing children, you have to admit that they may still be at par with men in nearly every area of life. The result is the present-day confusion concerning sex role differentiation, resulting in very large numbers of divorces and emotionally distraught children.

In Islam, however, the value and importance of women in society and the true measure of their success as human beings, is measured with completely different criteria: their fear of Allah (SWT) and obedience to Him, and fulfillment of the duties He has entrusted them with, particularly that of bearing, rearing and teaching children.

Nevertheless, Islam is a practical religion, and responds to human needs and life situations. Many women need, or wish, to work for various reasons. For example, they may possess a needed skill, such as a teacher or a doctor.

While Islam does not prohibit women working outside the home, it does stipulate that the following restrictions be followed to safeguard the dignity and honor of women and the purity and stability of the Islamic society, (the conduct of women, after all, is the "backbone" of any society):

1. Outside employment should not come before, or seriously interfere with her responsibilities as wife and mother.

2. Her work should not be a source of friction within the family, and the husbandâ™s consent is required in order to eliminate later disagreements. If she is not married, she must have her guardianâ™s consent.

3. Her appearance, manner and tone of speech and overall behavior should follow Islamic guidelines. These include: restraining her glances in relation to any men near the work place, wearing correct Islamic dress, avoiding men, not walking in a provocative manner, and not using make-up or perfume in public.

4. Her job should not be one which causes moral corruption in society, or involve any prohibited trade or activity, affect her own religion, morals, dignity and good behavior, or subject her to temptations.

5. Her job should not be one which is mixing and associating with men.

6. A woman should try to seek employment in positions which require a womanâ™s special skills, or which relate to the needs of women and children, such as teaching, nursing other women, midwifery, medicine with specializationâ™s like pediatric or obstetrics-gynecology.

MUHAMMED

Mar 8, 2011 12:32

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Women in Saudi Arabia are infringed not by Shari'ah but by Arab traditions and customs. It is important that we do not get confuse the religion and culture. This is one of the most important challenges for Saudi Arabia: fighting against its outdated culture and let Islam take over completely and ensure the rights of all within the purview the teachings of God and His Messenger, peace be upon him.

JAMILA

Mar 8, 2011 12:37

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Cloaking it under a false guise of "protection", insecure Saudi males refuse to give up their roles as petty dictators. Time for action, Saudi women! No one gives up their power willingly.

TIN MOICO

Mar 8, 2011 12:40

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its sad to know that saudi women has no freedom to choose what they want in life,,this only i can say,,, women has heart and have their own mind,,specially they are human being ,,,they are not robot or remote control toy,,to all officials of saudi give freedom to the women

SULTAN

Mar 8, 2011 12:41

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No, No. No need to change anything. Present Saudi law is the best law it provides full protection , safety and dignity to women. They should always be controlled, dont let them to go out of control. Women should always be obedient to their parents and husbands, they are certainly their well wishers, guardians and protectors. Any sensible and wise lady will not ask for such "FREEDOM" May Allah protect our ladies (sisters and mothers) from all bad deeds and evil thoughts.

ALTAMASH ZUBAIR

Mar 8, 2011 12:43

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This is a serious issue and should be looked upon. Islam does not put such restrictions on women. Hijab , Shariah law and everything is great but not this. I just read an article about problems faced by women for just basic necessities such as driving, travelling alone (via air for example).

IRFAN ALI

Mar 8, 2011 12:52

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Parents are not enemies, they always wish best for their children. I understand that there are restrictions which cant be justified from the Islamic perspective but not all. Mixing freely with men and getting mingled with opposite sex with no doubt evokes fumes of evil. As long as the needs of woman in Saudi Arabia are fulfilled, i don't think theres any problem. Woman in Saudi is more protected than anywhere else in the world . Unlike in western countries where Rape, Molestation and sexual abuse in a daily common practice.

EMMANUEL AGBAKOBA

Mar 8, 2011 12:54

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after reading this article,i was so pained in my heart that pladies in this modern age can be going through so much mental tortue7DEPRIVATION IN THE MIST OF PLENTY.YET THEIR SO CALLED LEADERS HAVE THEIR KIDS IN THE USA HAVING SO MUCH FREEDOM TO LIVE A LIFE OF THEIR OWN.TRULY PEOPLE OF SAUDI ITS TIME TO STAND UP & SAY NO TO THESE EVIL WAY OF LIFE.RELIGION SHOULD NOT KEEP PEOPLE IN BONDAGE,RATHER IT SHOULD BUILD OUR INNER BEING,MAKING US BETTER INDIVIDUALS.PLS ITS TIME TO STAND UP AND SAY NO TO THESE LIFE STYLE OF WICKEDNESS.

IBN BATUTTA

Mar 8, 2011 15:12

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You know what's the problem with Saudi Arabian society? They mix religion with traditions... In fact, tradition is sometimes more powerful. I mean there isn't an Islamic role against women driving cars, even I remember the Saudi foreign minister in 2007 said in an interview with Channel 4 in the UK, that "there was no Saudi law prohibiting women from driving" he added "Its not a political issue, its a social issue".

Also, going to the staduim to cheer for the club you like or the national team is a normal thing. Other Muslim countries already have women seating zones in their staduims, its not a big deal.

There are a number of other issues, its just became a matter of how others would see her or perceive her and a matter of 'protecting is better than curing or solving the problem'... which is more than asking what women and girls want or need. If these issues won't be solved, I think things will get out of control and explode: lets face it, things are already changing under the table, we just pretend we don't see it and try covering it up.

DIONI

Mar 8, 2011 15:13

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Why men have more freedom than women? We should remember that MEN and WOMEN are created equal by GOD. It's just the culture suppressed the womens freedom in the society. Only selfish culture and laws prohibits sexest freedom. Mentality of some if not most men drives them crazy if their womens mingled with men or driving their cars in the public. And one thing more, they do not trust their women going out alone but their men trusted themselves. What a sexest descrimination.

KARIM MOJADIDI

Mar 8, 2011 15:30

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Its not easy to suddenly let women drive in Saudi Arabia.

SAH

Mar 8, 2011 15:30

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Saudi women should ask their counter-parts in western countries what ills come with the liberties of being able to drive.
Most of the wish they were housewives and can loiter around at home and be saved from the harsh realities of work outside the house.
And remember the grass is greener on the other side... especially if shaitan is waiting on that side.

NUR

Mar 8, 2011 15:32

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Saudi women! Stand up and fight for your rights! No one will give you freedom unless you ask for it and ask for it hard! Don't let those perverted minds to convince you that this is Islam! It is not, it is only a very bad copy! Oppression is not Islam! Be brave and be ready to sacrifice. The future and the heaven will be yours!

IBN BATUTTA

Mar 8, 2011 15:34

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You know what's the problem with Saudi Arabian society? They mix religion with traditions... In fact, tradition is sometimes more powerful. I mean there isn't an Islamic role against women driving cars, even I remember the Saudi foreign minister in 2007 said in an interview with Channel 4 in the UK, that "there was no Saudi law prohibiting women from driving" he added "Its not a political issue, its a social issue".

Also, going to the staduim to cheer for the club you like or the national team is a normal thing. Other Muslim countries already have women seating zones in their staduims, its not a big deal.

There are a number of other issues, its just became a matter of how others would see her or perceive her and a matter of 'protecting is better than curing or solving the problem'... which is more than asking what women and girls want or need. If these issues won't be solved, I think things will get out of control and explode: lets face it, things are already changing under the table, we just pretend we don't see it and try covering it up.

S GEORGE

Mar 8, 2011 15:55

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Hats off to her - it takes a lot of courage to say it!!

MOHAMMED

Mar 8, 2011 15:55

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Dears, Empowering women or freedom of womens means what? See the social problems of those countries who are already adopting these things and now their society is facing raps, harrasment, killings, sucide and many more. Allah has guided us through Qur'an & the examples of prophet wifes and we must be happy with in our boundries.

HAMID

Mar 8, 2011 15:56

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It is a shame reading that working women will develop loose morals etc etc.. please check after talking with men.. it is the men who always think of sex and it is their own inner reflection that they talk of.. why cant we treat women as equal partners.. and who gave the right to men that they only can think and decide what is good for women.. let us give a chance to ladies and let them decide what is good for men.. Oh my God.. it will hurt the ego and false pride of the MAN.. and please let us not bring Islam and religion here.. Wud want to know where in Quran ladies working is prohibited.. and why we always assume that ladies will not dress modestly.. someone saying they will start using perfums if they work,, pls visit malls and markets and see how much of this is in vogue.. and why we always think that ladies with make up, perfums and a professional will always be immoral.. dirty mind..I have string opinions about Ismaeel Marikar dictums on ladies.. pls change urself and ur have good thoughts.. and I agree about customs of a country but pls stop invoking religion everywhere.. for every reason..

STEVE

Mar 8, 2011 16:25

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Saudi Arabia (and Afghanistan and other countries with strict tribal traditions) will never reach its economic potential if it deprives itself of the talent and services of half its population.

HANI

Mar 8, 2011 16:46

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It seems that most of the commentators are talking about woman's dignity and yet I fail to see how can a person lose his or her dignity by driving a car or traveling or doing things that are civil. Do we men loose our dignity when it comes to that? I have daughters and as I see them mature to a beautiful young ladies and compare them to how I was when I was at their age. I stop and wish I was as smart and articulate as they are now. Stop this non sense. Women have the right to conduct their lives as men. I am in disbelieving when I read some of the comments from men or women and my only conclusion is those people with these thoughts are nothing but weak people. They are weak in spirit as well as mind. Thumps up to you women!

Mar 8, 2011 19:39

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Beautiful post, Hani; well said.

KENZHIN

Mar 9, 2011 01:08

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Now is womens day, lets saudi women voice out what she really feels. Its sad to know that is happening this day to this women. To all who comments this article don't always use religion in your opinion you don't know what women really feels.
Saudi women! Stand up and fight for your rights! No one will give you freedom unless you ask for it and ask for it hard! Don't let those perverted minds to convince you that this is Islam! It is not, it is only a very bad copy! Oppression is not Islam! Be brave and be ready to sacrifice. The future and the heaven will be yours!

TERRY FITZ

Mar 9, 2011 02:23

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well said Hani.

SONJA

Mar 9, 2011 02:30

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ALLAH AKBAR! Alhumdullilah I am able to hold my head high & I am able to look after my husband & our parents, get an education, do lots of charity work since I am 12 years old, take an active role in my community, have the freedom to walk alone safely even in the middle of the night, where my vote counts & can choose where to go or what to wear & even start success businesses where I offer employment to people who do halal work & make decent living to support their family & children. I thank ALLAH every day for that. I am not sunni, not sufi nor shi'te. I am a muslim. In my workplace, I am surrounded by men but I have not flirt, make eyes or have any kind of illicit or unhealthy relations as ALLAH is my witness. So looking at some of the comments just make me wonder. In response to women should basically stay home, provide sex & breed, I dont know what to say to that & my muslim husband supports me in what I do cause he trust me & knows I am doing good & not bad things to hurt or harm people with my words or actions., & please dont equate culture & tradition with Islam or any religion. Most people in the world are much more educated than that. What I do , I only answer to ALLAH & ALLAH is the ALMIGHTY & the ONLY JUDGE that judge us, not anybody unless you are challenging GOD that you are doing a better job than him by judging others of what they should do & what they should be based on small minds, big egos & insecurities.
As for those who deem women are only a burden or a sex object, are you also insinuating your own mother. Perhaps one comes from stone. In Islam. utmost respect & regard is given to mother & the women that one insulted, oppressed, discredit or belittle will eventually become a mother.
as for the condemnation of western women...... they will likely be female soldiers waiting for instructions to save lives due to the unrest in the current middle east :P

ALLAH AKBAR! GOD is great! May I be judge with His mercy!

SAM

Mar 9, 2011 02:42

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I can assure you saudi women you do not want the situation that exist in the west. Women in the west are exploited to the extreme in the name of freedom for women, you can't even promote a product without a half naked women advertising it. Women here are an object of man's sexual desires. To all Saudi women, you will only be safe under the umbrella of Islam just follow the QURAN & SUNNAH OF OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHAMMED (S A W) Mothers, sisters & daughters you are regarded in very high esteem according to ISLAMIC teachings, do you realy want to sacrifice this to drive a car.

A READER

Mar 9, 2011 02:43

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REPLY TO HAMID - Dear HAMID, Hillary Clinton , Benazir, Shaikh Hasina etc are not the models in Islam. If you are a Muslim give examples of the daughters and wives (may Allah be pleased with them) of the prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him). They were great ! Let our ladies make them their ideals. OK HAMID ! Thank you. May Allah give you the wisdom and guide you to the right path. (Aameen)

SALMAN AFRIDI

Mar 9, 2011 03:34

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To all womenfolks out there listen this carefully: Islam's given you all freedom 1400 years back and you don't need any more 'liberation' from any other counrty or system. Truely follow Islam and one doesn't need to adher to Western kind of 'freedom'. Islam doesn't forbid womenfolks to drive or to have jobs or to learn anything of interest within the scope of teachings of our Deen. Learn Islam and practice it and in near future things'd start turning in a right directions!!!

SERAJUDDIN KHAN - DAMMAM

Mar 9, 2011 03:40

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Everyday is women's day so please don't be excited just think of moral Values,norms and our culture, we should feel proud that we are follower of Islam and what Islam prohibits that we should not think even. After Allah & prophet (PBUH) we all respect to mother and mother is women so we respect and give dignity & freedom to all women. Please ignore useless thought & propoganda and follow the right path written in HOLY QURAN and same we should practice & influence other to follow also so we should not follow others.

NADEEM SHAH

Mar 9, 2011 03:42

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You are "caged lionesses". The day you know your potential, you will be un-stoppable! Your stepping-in into the professional ventures will create more Saudization in the private sector as your "worthless male youth" will be competing against you. Good Luck!

MERLIN

Mar 9, 2011 09:33

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Again, countless accusations of mis-treatment of women in the demonic West! Just how brain-washed are some of you people? Given the difference in populations, I think the saudi male should be far more ashamed of the prevalence of rape in his own country?

The Demonic West has a major problem preventing illegal immigrants from entering their territories. The EU countries in particular are the immigration targets of Muslims, Muslims who want a better life.

If Western women are so oppressed in their own countries, why are they not risking life and limb to illegally enter the 'female Utoipa' that is Saudi Arabia? In spite of the difficulties of life, that most people have to cope with, western women would never consider Saudi Arabia to be a dream destination. Remove the Western compounds, and the freedom women have there, and 99% of Western wives, here in Saudi, would be on the next flight home. I shouldn't imagine any would be quaking in fear of being raped when they got there.

Rima, you have written an excellent article. Any free-thinker would agree with the sentiments of the article, unfortunately, Saudi (male) society doesn't like free-thinking, as many of the comments prove.

A hypnotised, tribal, male society has a good life. The hypnotisers have an even better life. They fear anyone who will snap their fingers, and wake those stupid men up, they would rather break their fingers.

Sorry ladies, you deserve better, you really do!

ASHAN

Mar 9, 2011 09:43

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Saudi men folks are not well developed to see the woman alone on the road . She is not safe alone on the her way to home. It is not so easy to distribute freedom and democraccy . It takes time to understand .Saudi can re- think and have the freedom given by probhet time.To understand and take the woman as a part of society ,Saudi should practice CO-education system at least up to the age of eight or nine. Islam can not agree with the western system. Muslim mother can not tell her daughter to take contraceptive or some other method in order to avoid illegal child . Islam say you get marry and have the relation . it does not agree have the sex and and then marry or leave her in street. Presently I do not think the social system is capable of giving permission to ladies to go whereever she likes. In some other countries like India , Pakisthan , Nepal the Husband or wife will not go without informing their life partner . First up all we should educate the woman then only we can expect a better society . She should know her responsibility.How to lok after the kids what should be taught them. How should behave with elder person. Father should ask consent before marriage , woman should have some union controlled by authority .

ISMAEEL MARIKAR

Mar 9, 2011 09:47

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Nadeem Shah,your caged lioness might devour you if you release her.
Already we see many such "lionesses" on the world stage,likeHillary,Hasina
and the late Benazir.Well we know the damage two are doing and one has gone "where" Allah knows best.". If a women feels she is being deprived of her rights she is free to "flee" from the oppressor and take the consequences, both in this world and the hereafter..Women are not the same as men .
Allah says in the Quran;"
"And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect." (Qur'an 30:21)
ALLAH AS OUR CREATOR KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR HIS CREATURES

AHTASHAM RIZVI

Mar 9, 2011 09:53

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If Saudi women are allowed to work, Kingdom's dependency on foreign workers will dramatically reduced. Women work and drive in all the GCC except the Kingdom. Just keep your face open and take part in all the work the men do. I have worked with Saudi women for 11 years in the hospitals and found them more sincere and hardworking than Saudi men. Give them a chance.

GEORGINA TOMKINS

Mar 9, 2011 09:55

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I respect the right of individuals to worship the God of their choice; this is a human right. However, all men and women should have equal rights, in any society, whatever faith they choose. To deny half the population equal rights - freedom of movement, restrictions in education, in work outside the home, to deny freedom of speech, of dress, to deny equal civic rights, results in indoctrinating oppression, incarceration and a shameful infringement of human rights. To say this cruel treatment by politically, socially and culturally empowered (males) over dis-empowered (females) is 'ordained by the All Mighty one' is using your religion and strength to hide behind a sustained injustice and crime against half of humanity;

KHALIL

Mar 9, 2011 09:56

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Dear Saudi women,

Please read Quran, understand it, obey Allah and practice Almighty's commands. Then your life will be garden of roses here and in the hereafter you will be in paradise if you truly believe in Islam. If not, then you can live by your wishes for a very short time in this world.

AN INTELLECT

Mar 9, 2011 10:07

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Theses so-called modernists who are trying to imitate the west don`t know about the negative consequences...Take a print screen of my message.
Only after a few days or months after the Govt. will approve the Women to drive, you`ll come to learn about females being harassed, the number of accidents will increase.
Kidnapping and rape will increase...

1st Request the Govt. to hire more and more cops, and install cameras in every nook and corner and then ask for rights to drive.
Your safety is the main concern.

ABU FAWZIYAH

Mar 9, 2011 10:07

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Islam has honoured women ALOT!!! so much so that Allah swt Has dedicated a whole chapter in the Qur'an regarding women (surah Nisa). A women in Islam is a pearl that is veiled from the filth of society. A true muslimah does not want to imitate men nor the non-muslim, she is content with all the blessings Allah swt has blessed her with, she throws this lowly worldly life behind her back and strives for the eternal life to come. There is in an authentic hadith of our beloved prophet Muhammad (sws) that any muslimah who observes the halal and the haram, obeys her husband (in good/lawful matters), fulfills the religious obligations and dies upon that state she may enter Jannah any gate she chooses. SubhanAllah!! this is true honour for muslim women. Our islamic history is a testimony how it values women. There is something called culture and a way of life called Islam. The two are different as the sun and the moon. So our sisters should reflect on what Allah swt is saying as we all are definatly returning to Him swt.

RAZ

Mar 9, 2011 10:11

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Do women have rights as per Shariah in KSA. And forget about driving etc, one law, which is in direct contrast to Islam. A Muslim women, despite the consent of her Wali, cannot marry a foreign Muslim man without permission of Govt (which is rarely granted). Where is Shariah in this, I think we have a newer Islam. Who is asking about the freedom of west Poor souls are asking for freedom as per Shariah!

ABBY

Mar 9, 2011 10:11

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I cannot believe some of the things being written here.

"The atmosphere in the Kingdom is very peaceful and I dont think there is any problem for women."

Of course it's peaceful- women are silenced by oppression, so it's not really a surprise none of the men are hearing women complaining.

"The so called women's day and women's rights is nothing but to destroy and damage the dignity of women and just to uncover them in the name of freedom which is very bad and shameful."

This is beyond nonsense. I can't believe there are men out there who think like this. Or rather, I don't WANT to believe it.

Seriously, open your eyes. Forcing women to cover to their heads, to be led around by guardians like children, to have no control over their own mobility- that is not protection, it is OPPRESSION. Since most of you condemning female equality here are not women and have no idea what it's like to be a woman in such a backwards system, I suggest you shut your mouths. You have no idea what you're talking about.

NAOMI

Mar 9, 2011 10:13

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I deeply hope for the sake of all humanity that Poe's Law applies here, and all of these disgusting pathetic comments are trolls. If indeed you people actually mean the hateful things you say, I would urge you to think rationally- are women inferior to men? Are they less intelligent? Are they less able to drive and to cope with the responsibility of doing so? There is absolutely no evidence that any of these things are true, do you care about whether the things you believe are true or not? Or do you simply want to project your own fears and insecurities onto the way you treat other people? Have a bit of respect for your mothers, your sisters, your female friends (if you have any!).

AKRAM

Mar 9, 2011 10:25

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Let us say! permission is granted to women to drive in KSA; then we should know what will happen; say for example in Jeddah the roads are already crowded and daily there is traffic-congestion/deadlock resultantly it takes hours in Jed city to reach destination. when women will be allowed to drive; the number of cars will be doubled on roads, consequently, more traffic-deadlocks/congestions; more accidents, more pollution etc. Moreover, where men are scared to drive and in case of accidents death ratio is very high; how women will manage to drive? Above all, from Islamic point of view we have to double check that whether it is allowed for women to drive or otherwise. Any inconvenience caused is highly regretted.

A READER

Mar 9, 2011 10:26

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HANI, HAMID and like-minded should know and understand that it is not just a matter of driving permission for women, there are many evil intentions behind it, they are just becomining innocent and saying 'BOOK FAIR" "DRIVING" " FREEDOM" and so on. What kind of freedom they need ? What is their problem, ? in fact they dont have any problem . One wants to watch the football match and cheer in the stadium and others are complaining about their parents because they are telling them the truth and trying to save and protect them from evil, these women have failed to understand and just become tools in the hands of some so-called modern and broad minded, they are inciting and trying to mislead them in the name of women's right, freedom and so on.Any right thinking, sincere and wise lady will not involve herself in such activities. All these things are bad and shameful even if they have attractive and beautiful appearence, they should obey their parents and husbands and follow ancestors, respect the law of this holy land. On every step they should remember that they are women. No parent can see his daughter going astray, nobody can take place of parents, they are always wishing them well, they want to see them safe, happy and successfull.

SAAD

Mar 9, 2011 10:28

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Raza, people like u should be stoned to death, do u have a mother or sisters?
Women and men have equal rights, a right t express their opinions. That is what Islam is. No one has any right to put people down based on their opinion.

REZEILE_09

Mar 9, 2011 10:30

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Well, seeing the status of Saudi Arabian women, I can say that they are really unfortunate. Many women in the world takes big responsibilities, they can be anyone they wanted to be. They have a feeling that they are significant individuals to the society, not only as house wives, but as decision makers, strategists. They can actually do what men can do. Why could they not be given their own right to choose their own well-being. Let them grow on their own way.Let them share their ideals of making the society improve. They must not be deprived of their faculties. And ultimately, They might even out-perform men and well might have better contribution to Saudi Arabian development than the men.

SYED

Mar 9, 2011 10:30

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Assalamalaikum !! I totally agree with AWADH.Don't fall int the trap of Evil.In Islam EVERY DAY IS WOMEN'S DAY.Wassalam!

XYZ

Mar 9, 2011 12:17

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Assalam Alaikum, I agree with the Idea behind in Mr. Awadh's Message. In parallel, we should also agree with the legal demands of women which is Islamic as well. Like, Marriage as per Consent if the person is Muslim, regarless of Nationality. Discourage Dowry, Help helpless women in finding food. Help those seek divorce rather than discouraging. Educate Husbands & device a mechanism to ensure women get its right. Bro! If divorce rate is increasing then there are some serious issues to be addressed.

MERLIN

Mar 9, 2011 19:38

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ISMAEEL MARIKAR

Your endless supply of self-fabricated cobblers that you endeavor to espouse as fact is truly amazing.

"If a women feels she is being deprived of her rights she is free to "flee" from the oppressor......."

Really. So all you opressed ladies, out here in Saudi land, who feel that life in another country would offer you the freedoms that you desire, Ismaeel has the answer. Never mind that your 'guardian' refuses to give the permission you need, Ismaeel knows how to do it.

Come on Ismaeel, there must be thousands out there waiting to hear how to flee their oppresive guardian? Don't be shy now, let's hear it.

Or, were you, as per usual, just spouting unmitigated nonsense?

LELALEE

Mar 9, 2011 19:38

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Listen to them. Time to Change......

MUSTAPHA

Mar 9, 2011 20:04

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assalamu alaikom brothers and sisters this is not right if the government give more liberty or freedom to the women in saudi because we will break up . what is the law I really love the rules of sharia... hope and i pray to almighty Allah to save this country inshaallah...

Mar 9, 2011 20:14

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Well said, Merlin! You too, Lelalee; short but to the point.

JOHNREDNAR

Mar 9, 2011 20:59

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Donâ™t try to control our lives, say Saudi women
quite so but be very calefull freedom of this types leads into many misery for the furure. Breakup in marriages, teenage preganency,scantaly claded fashion and lots more.
Islam HAS given women [ladies] their freedom as required but western world is adament on twisting morale issue and dress conduct. all for the sake of fashion fashion. Europe bans women from covering in public, but takes NO ACTION towards half naked womed walking the main town centre causing mayham. Their idea of freedom is take wome from home into work then from there desk top to table top and various other immoral venues.
plz plz ladies think B4 you destroy your own life & others as well.
i am newly converted muslim enjoying vry much, peace of mind happy with family & rest.
john

ASMA

Mar 10, 2011 12:43

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If Saudi women are so childlike and incompetent that they cannot be trusted to choose their own clothes or drive themselves, why are they allowed to raise Saudi children? Aren't children too precious to be left in the care of such infants?

PEDRO

Mar 10, 2011 12:57

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i understand what saudi woman want? but for my opinion is not really good for woman driving like for example...because here n saudi what i observe some young teenager saudi are so different behavior... based on my experience some young men saudi, they are traiting on us like a woman, it seems they want to do bad thing on us.. how much more woman here in saudi... might be accedent is coming.. so better dont drive... sory for inconvinience saudi woman..

Mar 10, 2011 13:10

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Thumbs up, Asma!

MERLIN

Mar 10, 2011 14:11

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Moderators: This is a 'right to reply', please don't censor it, or it will lose its value. I feel that I deserve some latitude here?

JOHNREDNAR

I wonder why you use an Anglican based name when, from your very poorly structured English, you are, quite obviously, not a native Anglophone? Is it so you can attempt to add, deceitful, credibility to your outrageous assertions, like the one below?

"Their idea of freedom is take wome from home into work then from there desk top to table top and various other immoral venues" (sic)

Which source of brain-washed bigotry did you take that from? It is hard work refuting the ludicrous accusations some of you idiots make against the West, but I feel it is necessary, because for every twisted moron, like you, there will be, several, others who, deprived of any meaningful education, will read your comment, and believe it. Thus, exponentially, increasing the number of brain-washed idiots.

To all of you, out there, who cannot distinguish the difference between the 'reality' of Western life and what you drool over in your own secret porn collection, start backing up your assertions with some sort of credible reference. That, or keep your fantasies to yourself.

You are like stuck records.

IMAN

Mar 10, 2011 19:46

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Dear Men, why are you all so scared of the fact to give a woman the right to drive? What is the worst case that can happen? That they will drive better than a man? Why are you afraid to give a woman the godgiven right to choose her husband? Are you afraid she will not choose YOU, are you really saticfied with the Idea that your wive never choosed you... that you choosed HER? Isn´t it a nicer thought, to have a woman beside you that choosed you too? Why are you afraid, to give the woman the right to travel by her self? Dont you have trust, are you afraid she will not come back? Why should she not come back, if she loves you and lives in a trustful relationship with you? The opposite, she will count the days to come back home. Why is all this fear? Dont hide behind the Koran. I love Islam, I love my religion, but I hate the fact, that men love to interpret the Koran and Hadith like they want. Our Prophet Peace be upon him, gave us long time ago the right to get education, to work and to make decisions.... this was that time. What rights would he give us today? Because he was a generous, loving and peacful man. Think about it men... there is nothing to fear about, aslong as your hearts are open, your trust is big and your faith in God strong.

HIND ABDULLAH

Mar 10, 2011 21:41

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First of all, embarrass!! Why would someone post such a topic in the main English news paper in Saudi Arabia. We want freedom.. Ladies? do u know what freedom means? if u looked the term before using it you would be embarrassed to post or even contribute in such topic. With freedom comes responsibility, and with responsibility comes order and regulations. I am sadden to say that there are a majority of youth in Saudi Arabia that lack both. LetÃ¢ÂÂ™s start with making a single line in the banks before learning how to take a car and drive in a single line on the roads. LetÃ¢ÂÂ™s learn how to be patients and wait for the drivers who are either taking mothers to doctor appointments or picking up siblings from schools before having the right to drive. Because with driving comes patients. If one just took a moment and thought about the overall responsibility of oneÃ¢ÂÂ™s life and the life of the person who is with you in the car or in the car next to you then you will take such matter seriously. One doesnÃ¢ÂÂ™t really appreciate what they have until they lose it. In one point in time, I wanted to have the right to drive myself from point A to point B, so I got the opportunity to drive and let me tell you this I miss having a driver. I miss not worrying about parking and being late. I miss not worrying about driving in traffic and getting frustrated. So having a driver is luxury that one might take for granted. Lets fix the statistics of Saudi Arabia being one highest country in car accidents before allowing more drivers. But most of all it saddens me to see such topic emerging at this point of time. It is a critical time in the Middle East and all eyes are on Saudi Arabia anticipating whether they will follow the disturbance. Seriously guys, The King may God grant him health and strength he needs, he opened and gave us women a lot of opportunities in Saudi Arabia and this is how you thank him?? It saddens me!!! J.H.C

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