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'Don't Plead With Me Not To Die'

Posted: 06/ 3/11 11:52 AM ET

I ended my last blog with this question: What does God expect you to do when a loved one is clearly dying: to encourage them to let go or to plead with them to "not die"?

This is a difficult question to answer perhaps because we can't acknowledge the "horse on the table" (or the elephant in the room, as one responder suggested). Or perhaps we just don't know the answer. I don't presume to know what is in the mind of God, but I know from watching families grapple with this, and watching some plead for their loved one not to die and others giving "permission" for their loved one to die while letting them know that they love them and will miss them, that neither is easy. But, when we can let someone go, somehow the break seems cleaner. The grief starts sooner and the healing includes being at peace with loving the person enough to let them go as well as perhaps enabling them to die with the knowledge that their loved ones have said it was "ok" to die.

Medical technology has made so many wonderful things possible for us, including enabling us to live longer and perhaps to live with a quality of life that is acceptable for us. But, as A Word to the Church on End of Life Care: Theological, Spiritual and Ethical Reflections, points out, "There is no indication in scripture that God prefers longevity over quality of life"?[1] And, in Genesis, Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not from the tree of life. God says, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." (Genesis 3:22, emphasis added)

So, if God did not mean for us to live forever and did not indicate that longevity beats out quality, doesn't it make sense that when someone is dying the expectation would be to encourage them to let go since we are all eventually going to die? And, as Christians, we know that God is with us not only whether we live or die, but while we are dying.

Several years ago, one of my students responded to a question that I posed to the class about who they would not want present with them while they were dying. She said, "I don't want anyone around me who is begging me not to die. I don't want anyone who is negative. I only want those who are going to encourage me to die because when I am dying, it is when I am supposed to be dying. And, besides, I am going to be with God. So help me along in that process. Don't plead with me not to die." I asked her if she had let her loved ones know this and she responded, "They will as soon as I can get home and tell them."

One of the comments made to my last blog reads: "Our love for our family dictates that we talk about what we want at the end. We have to love them enough to take those end-of-life decisions off their shoulders and let them know what to do." Not surprisingly, I agree with "Cindbird" and encourage you to tell your family what you want. In support of Cindbird's and my stance on this, a recent study in The Annals of Internal Medicine, found that there is an important reason to tell your loved ones what your wishes are as to how you want your body treated as you near the end of life. Wendler and Rid found that those who were selected to be the surrogate decision maker by default (the surrogate decision maker laws, which may be different in each state, specify who makes the decisions when a patient has not signed an advance directive naming someone to make those decisions) "... described that role (the role of being a surrogate decision maker) as being profoundly burdensome, and self-reports of feelings of guilt and self-doubt about whether they made the right decision were present in a substantial minority of patients."[2]

Your loved one will be dealing with the loss of you in their life. Don't make it more difficult for them. Let your love lead you to having these conversations about how you want your body treated and also whether or not you want them to encourage you to let you die or implore you to fight on.

[1] Bruce Epperly and John Mills, A Word to the Church on End of Life Care: Theological, Spiritual, and Ethical Reflections The United Church of Christ Science and Technology Taskforce, 2009 [cited 4/13/2008. Available from http://www.ucc.org/science/pdf/microsoft-word-end-of-life-care-with-theological-ethical-spiritual-resources.pdf, 5.

[2] David Wendler, Annette Rid. "Systematic Review: The Effect on Surrogates of Making Treatment Decisions for Others." Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 154, Issue 5, 336-346.

 
 
 
 
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been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
03:03 AM on 6/06/2011
We always tried to teach our children that death is a natural part of life and should be accepted. We have also talked with them about our end-of-lif­e wishes.
I think the really important thing is to accept that death is part of life, and that there will come a time to let go. When my beloved cat reached a point that life was not going to be worthwhile­, I let him go. Should I do less for my husband or child?
02:25 AM on 6/06/2011
Beautiful article. My 93 year old grandfathe­r passed away about this time last week. I was able to spend time w/ him on Sun. holding his hand and stroking his head. Twice I told him we loved him and would love to keep him but his momma and daddy miss him and it was OK if he went to see them. He joined them a few hours later not long after I told a photo of his mother that he missed her. I believe she held out her hand to him.
10:52 PM on 6/05/2011
i held my 19 yr old child's hand whilst singing softly to her when the machines were turned off. she'd battled leukemia for 5 long, hard years. to this day i wish i'd waited, but the doctors just stood around, looking like frightened deer. and yes, i'd have her back sick; i'd have her back any way i could get her. what you say may be fine for older people, but we are not wired to bury our children. 5 yrs later i am still destroyed. after you fight by your child's side for 5 yrs nothing else seems important in comparison­. if god exists, he needs to walk the floors of a pediatric hospital a bit more. the things people say afterwards are nonsense: 'i know how you feel because i lost my dog last year and he was like a child to me'. 'god needed another angel so he took your child.'

there is no closure, there is no comfort when your child dies. there is an empty hole forever in the family and your heart. i didn't have the chance to beg her to stay because drs sent her home too soon after intense chemo when she's relapsed again...sh­e had a brain bleed on our bathroom floor. trauma and pain define the rest of the time i am spent in this world.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
03:05 AM on 6/06/2011
The real question for you is not whether you would have her back as sick as she was, but whether she would return as sick as she was.
I am sorry for your loss. I can only guess how painful it is for you.
01:56 PM on 6/06/2011
K8sMum
You are right - there is never closure when one we love dies. They remain with us for the rest of our lives - not just the good, but the pain as well. Platitudes are not helpful. They make us feel better but they don't help the person we say them to. We don't understand that we need to just be there for each other and not say or "do" anything.

The death of a child is the worst kind of death to experience­, I think. Because it is the lose of what might have been or could have been not only for your daughter but for you as well.

It sounds like your daughter was very blessed to have you by her side - fighting right along with her. My belief is that you were there as God's reminder to your daughter that she was not going through her suffering alone. I pray that you are able to find some solace in that since it seems that you did not feel God present with you then, nor do you now.

Thank you for being willing to share your story, and your daughter's­, with me.
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logicanada
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09:33 PM on 6/05/2011
Pleads to others not to die are often rooted in a selfish desire not to know the anguish of a loss. For the faithful, dying can mean going to that "better place". For the humanist it can be regarded as the natural end of a natural beginning. Either way, it eventually will happen to all of us.
07:52 AM on 6/05/2011
Why do you suppose that even when the destiny for the dead is heaven no one wants to die? That is because dying is a unnatural for humans.

God confirms that he wants humans to live forever many times in the bible. He pointedly states at Ecclesiate­s 3:11 "He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet[a] no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end." Then at John 17:3: "This means everlastin­g life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one who you set forth Jesus Christ."

There was no reason for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life because they knew their destiny was to live forever. What they thought was lacking from their lives was knowledge and that is why they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of good and bad.

The Apostle Paul said that we who believed in the hope of the resurrecti­on would not mourn as the others do making us understand that when people understand that when they die they are in a deep sleep and are encapsulat­ed in God's memory waiting for a resurrecti­on it is comforting to them but still sad..

Yes, even now as we have to experience death of those whom we love, we fight for life and most of all a good relationsh­ip with God. God wants us to live eternally.
02:00 PM on 6/06/2011
"Living eternally" does not necessaril­y mean living as we know it here on earth. We have eternal life with God - which may be in a way that we cannot comprehend­. That is part of what our faith is all about...tr­usting that God has something beyond what we know as "living" in store for us when our soul leaves our earthly body.
07:31 AM on 6/07/2011
Bible truth does not support the soul as being separate from the body. Your soul is you, the total human being. Have a read of the scripture below:

Leviticus 24:17 - Young's Literal Translatio­n (YLT)


17`And when a man smiteth any soul of man, he is certainly put to death.

and

Genesis 2: 7, it also says: "And God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul."

To believe that humans have a soul that survives the death of the physical body nullifies God's words at Acts 24:15 where it states that there is going to be a resurrecti­on of the righteous and the unrighteou­s. If what you believe that the soul and body are different then these questions arise:

Why didn't the dead righteous people all go to heaven straightaw­ay?

When God resurrects the righteous people, will he put them to death again since flesh and blood cannot inherit the heavenly kingdom?

When God resurrects the unrighteou­s, where will they go?

Also, let's assume that when Lazarus died his soul separated and went to heaven and he received his beautiful reward of being with God yet, Jesus resurrecte­d him back to the earth. Does that make sense since he had already received his ultimate reward?

The bible is clear what man's inheritanc­e is: "Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.'
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Indigo1941
Time Traveler
07:21 AM on 6/05/2011
Go if you must, stay if you will.
May there be peace between us.
Blessed be.
11:10 PM on 6/05/2011
Indigo,
Beautifull­y said!
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Cindbird
08:13 PM on 6/04/2011
First, thank you to the author for your including my response. I've been in the position of sitting by the bedside of a dying loved one. I've held his hand and wished that he could stay. Dying isn't about US, it's about the person who is doing the dying. When we ask them to stay, beg them not to die, we just make the dying process harder. When we beg them to stay, we make a final request they can not grant. So they die with regret in their heart. That's not fair to the dying person. Everything that is born, dies. That's part of life. But we can make that process easier for the one dying. They already are afraid, don't add regret to it. When we talk about what we want others to do for us during that time, it allows our loved ones to come to terms with the idea of our death. And it makes that time easier as well. I held my Grandfathe­r's hand when he was dying. I didn't want to let him go. But I couldn't grant him one more second of life. All I could do, was hold his hand, and be grateful that I had been given the gift of this moment with him. In the end, that's all we have, this moment. No begging, no pleading will change death. All we can do is hold their hand and love them, as they draw that final breath.
10:05 PM on 6/04/2011
Thank YOU for your words of wisdom. You have said most eloquently what I wanted to get across to readers.
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Pembrokelib
01:34 PM on 6/05/2011
How do you feel about keeping terminally sick people alive by heroic measures rather than letting them die in dignity in a hospice or at home,whe possible?
03:00 AM on 6/05/2011
When my Mom was dying, my Dad said to her, "We're all here. We're all together. We will be OK. It's OK for you to go." I thought that was the most unselfish thing I had ever heard.

When my Dad was dying, we followed his wonderful example and told him the same thing.

I couldn't agree with you more.

We do not need to think of what we want. We do not need to think of what we think god would want. We need to do what the dying person needs. And at the end, he needs to be allowed to go.
02:35 AM on 6/06/2011
So beautiful.
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B Kleitz
ghost hunter grammy DeadHead
06:54 PM on 6/04/2011
I just wonder why it's so important to "god" that we don't live forever.
What's he/she/it afraid of?
And why should I worship something that demands that I, or those that I love suffer?
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french queen13
Why should everything true be difficult?
11:09 PM on 6/04/2011
I guess you could say that part of the article's aimed particular­ly at Christians who have trouble letting their dying loved ones go. I agree though, that worshippin­g the deity of the OT isn't much of an idea. I see it as a tribal god, nothing like the Source (which I believe in but definitely don't worship).
09:53 AM on 6/05/2011
God wants humans to live forever. It is meaningles­s to have other creation that can outlive humans and yet we are supposed to be the caretakers of this earth. What is important to God is our everlastin­g welfare and that is why he gave his son Jesus as a ransom for humans. This gives humans the opportunit­y to live eternally. Jesus' ransom redeemed us from death and the opposite of death is life. So once the full effects of the ransom has been completed we will be able to live forever.

God has every right to demand worship as our Creator and having confidence in humans He allows us make our own decisions. Who in their right mind could really love a partner that is demanding and pushy? I would hate to think that our every action is regulated. Wouldn't that make us mere robots? Everything designed has a designated habitat to thrive in and so God could not be rightly called The Creator if He created us without freedom to make our own choices within our habitat.
06:26 PM on 6/04/2011
Adam and Eve? Do a search: First Scandal.
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nlightenup
bureaucratic change wonk, retired psychologist
03:52 PM on 6/04/2011
What you say about those who are willing to let go being able to grieve and heal sooner than those who beg the dying person to not die has been true in my family. Beyond that, I can only voice support for people making clear to family what they want when they are dying, and for the family to honor it. My dad made his wishes known, but there was some tussle between family members in the few days before he died, between those helping him to let go (his wish) and those trying to keep him here as long as possible, regardless of the pain he endured. It helped, during those discussion­s, to be able to remind them of the conversati­ons he'd had with all of us. Some still struggle with "postponed­" grief, almost 14 years later.