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Michigan Next State To Consider Teacher Tenure Reform Legislation

First Posted: 06/10/11 06:15 PM ET Updated: 06/10/11 06:15 PM ET

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Michigan became the latest state to sink its teeth into the question of teacher discipline and tenure Thursday, when the state House passed a four-bill education reform package.

The four bills would increase the probationary period -- the length of time before a teacher is up for tenure -- from four to five years; end the practice of laying teachers off predominately based on seniority; put teachers evaluated as ineffective back on probation; make it easier to fire teachers for a broader slew of offenses; and limit collective-bargaining rights, barring unions from negotiating areas such as teacher evaluations.

The future of these measures lies in the hands of the state Senate, where the Michigan Education Association, the state's largest teachers union, hopes it can change the House's prescriptions.

"We don’t think it's a lost cause," said MEA spokesman Doug Pratt. He said the MEA takes issue with the bills for stripping teachers of due process rights. According to Pratt, the reforms do not target the most cumbersome aspects of the teacher discipline process, amounting instead to changing the tenure system into one in which teachers are considered "guilty until proven innocent."

Michigan could become the latest in a long line of states to pass laws that drastically change how teachers are hired and fired. But Michigan's proposed laws are less extreme than those passed in other states, according to Charles Russo, Panzer Chair of Education and an adjunct professor of law at Dayton University.

"This seems to be straddling a fine line between giving good teachers a pass and putting the fear of God in teachers who aren’t doing their jobs," he said.

In many states, firing teachers is lengthy and expensive; in Michigan, few consider the process to be perfect.

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"The current system in Michigan doesn’t provide for an expedited way to remove ineffective teachers," Tim Melton, the only Democratic state representative to speak in favor of the bills, told The Huffington Post. "It doesn't reward great teaching."

The bills are meant to target under-performing districts around the state, including Detroit, which has already become emblematic of sweeping reform efforts.

The Obama administration has placed low-performing, urban school districts like Detroit at the center of its reform prescriptions. In 2009, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan even called the city "ground zero" for U.S. education reform.

"Detroit is becoming a ghost town," Russo said. "It's almost a poster child for the need to reform teacher performance."

But these new bills would only worsen the city's schools, according to Rep. Harvey Santana, a Democrat who represents Detroit in the Michigan state House.

"With these bills, what you have is a situation where no teachers are going to want to come here," he told HuffPost.

"Why would a teacher come to a place like Detroit to make somewhere in the mid-30s [thousand dollars] and then the government will turn around and say, 'You'll pay 20 percent of your health care costs, get 40 to 60 kids in a classroom, and say, oh, we'll make the teacher evaluations arbitrary and capricious.' Who would want to work under these situation?" he asked. "We've shot ourselves in the foot. There are teachers who want to make it in these schools, and we're telling them, 'Nope, not welcome here.'"

Michael Adonizzio, Associate Professor of Educational Leadership and Policy Studies in the College of Education at Wayne State University, is skeptical of the reforms' potential to fix Detroit schools.

"I don’t know how effective this bill will be in solving Detroit's issues," he said, adding that Detroit's schools need better principals and talented teachers to be turned around.

Pratt considers the package of bills "just a disguised way of attacking the rights of educators."

But supporters of the reform package say the unions -- not their teacher members -- are making all the noise.

"When I talk to teachers about what's in the package, most of them support it," Melton said. "It's the teachers union that quarters and threatens members and tells teachers mistruths about the bills that cause this situation to come to a boiling point."

Critics say that the legislation is backwards: while it stresses teacher effectiveness as a key factor in hiring, it fails to specify what constitutes teacher effectiveness.

"There's no definition of what a bad teacher is," Santana said. "What these bills did is provide an avenue for administrators to get rid of not just bad teachers but teachers they feel they don't want to deal with."

Melton said the House has drafted language that details criteria for teacher evaluations, with student test scores counting for 50 percent of the reviews. House lawmakers plan to introduce this legislation next week.

When asked about the draft legislation, Santana said it was news to him.

The four bills already passed by the House will be discussed in a state Senate committee on Wednesday, according to state Sen. Phil Pavlov (R), chair of the education committee. Pavlov said he's considering suggested amendments from the House, but generally supports the measures.

"We're decades late to this conversation," he said. "As we look at our education statistics in the state of Michigan, we are leaving a lot of room on the table for improvement. This legislation begins to put kids in charge of the process -- not the teachers unions."

While Pratt said the MEA hopes to influence the bill in the Senate, Pavlov said he doesn’t support the union's agenda.

"It doesn’t do what we need to see happen," he said. "It doesn’t deal with the probationary period, it doesn’t recognize quality in layoff notices, it doesn’t put teachers on the career path that rewards effectiveness in a way that they're currently rewarding longevity."

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Michigan became the latest state to sink its teeth into the question of teacher discipline and tenure Thursday, when the state House passed a four-bill education reform package. The four bills woul...
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3 hours ago (5:43 PM)
The problem is the unions control over school districts and the structure of the school
districts. The administra­tion of a school district is made up of prior teachers that kept
going to school to get their Doctorate. The union works with the administra­tion to work
out the teachers pay and benifits and when that done they get the same if not more
of a raise than the teachers. The district is not run like a business, its run like a non-
profit club where everyone wins except the kids and the taxpayers that foot the
bill. The school boards are usually a rubber stamp of the admin because they do not
have any experience in running a multi-mill­ion dollar business. They usually just
trust the admin and do what they recommend. We need to hire some businessme­n
to run our school district. And the goal should be to produce a high quality education
for or kids at a fair price. I served on a school board for 8 year and saw this
first hand.
3 hours ago (5:26 PM)
I like the idea of keeping good teachers and rewarding them accordingl­y. I like the idea of encouragin­g teachers who have lost their passion to find other work (let's make sure they actually have the possibilit­y to find another job—what does a 50 year old ex-teacher do?)

What scares me about these discussion­s, however, is that sometimes the agenda has more to do with "union busting" and paying teachers less (newer teachers usually make less) than actually improving education. If I could be assured that this wasn't the case, I would give it my support.
3 hours ago (5:15 PM)
Michigan's teacher tenure reform bills only deal with half the equation. Figuring out how to fairly evaluate and fire bad teachers is important, but figuring out how to fairly evaluate and reward good ones is at least equally important.
http://www­.examiner.­com/politi­cal-buzz-i­n-detroit/­teacher-te­nure-refor­m-short-on­-carrot-lo­ng-on-stic­k
VA Jill
a diller, a dollar, a late-in -life scholar
7 hours ago (1:30 PM)
If politician­s would stay the he11 out of education it would be a whole lot better.
5 hours ago (3:24 PM)
Care to give a little reasoning to what is an unsupporte­d statement.
3 hours ago (5:20 PM)
If Unions would stay out of education it would be a whole lot better.
There. I fixed it.
8 hours ago (12:34 PM)
1) When a teacher gets bullied by students is considered a bad teacher?
2) When a teacher have to press charges against a student who physically assault him or her, that teacher is considered a bad teacher?
8 hours ago (12:43 PM)
A teacher needs to control the class room, Respect must be there. If the teacher needs to report a student that's fine, natural order of things, The principle has to be there for the teacher. Expell student as a last resort. A fearful teacher should find a new job.
8 hours ago (12:49 PM)
In Puerto Rico the student do not get expelled is taken to the minors court and usually they are given 10 to 12 months probation by the judge. Usually every year there is some teacher in a school who have to do this. I took a minor to court because of physical assault in the 2009-2010 school year he was given 12 month probation instead of 9 month probation because the father of the student fought verbally against the judge, trying to make the judge take away the probation, the judge got angry.
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McKMN
35 minutes ago (7:46 PM)
There are students who disrespect and bully their own parents and siblings. So how much respect do you think they have for a teacher or the other students for that matter?

You think a fearful teacher should find a new job. Would you also say the scared students should find a new school?
1 minute ago (8:20 PM)
I have an observatio­n about your education and you are not going to like this. First, your entire paragraph is full of poorly punctuated sentences and, secondly, you misspelled principal and expel. I was a good teacher and 99% or more of my students respected me 100% of the time. But in 20 years I did get hit by three students, one intentiona­lly and the other two when I tried to get other students out of the way when one of my explosive junior high age students acted out. You cannot blame it on the decline of order in the past few years, because those incidents occurred in 1969, 1971 and 1973 when for the most part teachers were respected by students and parents and POLITICIAN­S. We are now the butt of their anger and the blame of everything wrong with society. I imagine from your post that you are not a teacher...­Lord, I hope not...and work in a place where your personal safety is not challenged by out of control youngsters who live in out of control situations often made worse by the constant assault on working class people by REPUBLICAN politician­s. I am glad my last 20 years in a school system were in the role of counselor where I could try to help these children learn to manage their emotions at least from the hours of 8-3:30 each day.
8 hours ago (12:20 PM)
What is a burn out? and what make a teacher a burn out? i am from Puerto Rico i do not understand the meaning of the expression­.
8 hours ago (12:30 PM)
A burn out is someone who is no longer effective at there job, does just enough to get by , only there for the pay check, No passion.
8 hours ago (12:12 PM)
I was an active father with my kids education. I saw some great ones, some that did the job and then there are the burn outs. Lets say that good teachers don't need tenure and bad ones shouldn't get it. The Teachers union is the problem for protecting the bad. We can send men to the moon but can't see to it kids have the best teachers obtainable­. Schools in Finland , Holland , Japan spend less per student with much better results. This crap of 2 study halls , gym to round out the day isn't teaching , no wonder kids learn nothing.
5 hours ago (3:06 PM)
All good points
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McKMN
1 minute ago (8:21 PM)
Teachers in Finland are well paid. An elementary school teacher makes $45-50/hou­r. A high school teacher makes $75-80/hou­r. The typical per class load is 18-20 students.

http://sch­oolmatters­.knoxnews.­com/forum/­topics/how­-does-finl­ands-educa­tion
8 hours ago (11:53 AM)
laissez faire!!! laissez faire!!! Socialism for corporatio­ns, capitalism for the rest, let's go back to the 19 century laissez faire, after public school is privatize, laissez faire is next, if you complain that's becauser you are an evil communist as@#$%le that need to be destroyed.
5 hours ago (3:08 PM)
It's wack job like you the need to go back to school and learn what its all about.
5 hours ago (3:42 PM)
History of Puerto Rico A 3 credits, History of United States A 3 credits, Humanities of western civilizati­on A 6 credits. In all these courses they touch the subject of laissez faire and i learn that in the name of laissez faire the free market 1.2 million irish where left to starve to death, men women and children. A whack job could be anyone as long as you feel contempt toward the other person believes and behavior, then you will consider that person a whack job, is relative actually.
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McKMN
0 minute ago (8:22 PM)
A couple of grammar classes wouldn't hurt you either.
3 hours ago (5:22 PM)
Laissez Faire means "hands off". Why do you think the government needs to take care of you?
3 hours ago (5:34 PM)
Life is a struggle for survival, that's a scientific fact. Why would a life form would support something that is a threat against it's survival. As i said laissez faire or the ultimate free market, may i remind republican­s want to destroy social security, medicare and food stamps, so when they talk free market they really mean laissez faire, allowed 1.2 millkion irish to die, those irish could not find jobs.
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BMHVR
9 hours ago (11:10 AM)
It's about time.
9 hours ago (11:30 AM)
obviously you have no idea what you are talking about....
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surlybird
8 hours ago (12:05 PM)
I do and I live in MI. The teachers union has too much power when good young teachers are laid off so that an old teacher, who is not as good and not bothered to keep learning, can keep their job.

Twice now this has happened in my child's school. A young teacher who is in it for the love of teaching and children gets laid off so an older teacher who wants retirement and a check can keep on. Teachers should be tenured based on performanc­e not seniority.
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BMHVR
6 hours ago (2:37 PM)
"...lookin­g at society as the problem not the teachers..­.."

CLASSIC it's not my fault but that of society defense. Pathetic and frankly no one's going to pay attention to lame excuses like that anymore. "Society's fault"? It is is kind of personal irresponsi­bility that brought our educatonal system and our country to it's current state.
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chucknchar
10 hours ago (10:19 AM)
Michigan isn't considerin­g it, Gov Synder and union busting entities are. We have lots of recall petitions floating around and hopefully citizens will realize that this country as we've known it is at stake! NOT, the critically challenged thinkers/v­oters elected the Nerd by record numbers
10 hours ago (10:16 AM)
If only some bold state would institute "parental reform." As an educator, I can say that bad parenting plays at least as much a role in student achievemen­t as bad teaching does.

Anyone who can have 2 minutes of unsatisfyi­ng sex can pop out a kid, whether or not they are prepared to be responsibl­e for it, and yet teachers seem almost solely at fault when any of the little angels fails in life.
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EagleFliesInSky
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10 hours ago (10:35 AM)
Right on!
5 hours ago (3:38 PM)
I totally agree.

The "achieveme­nt gap" exists far before students begin arriving at school.
10 hours ago (10:13 AM)
Soon we will see teachers killed for teaching ideas.
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McKMN
10 hours ago (10:02 AM)
"When I talk to teachers about what's in the package, most of them support it," Melton said. "It's the teachers union that quarters and threatens members and tells teachers mistruths about the bills that cause this situation to come to a boiling point."

Same old cr@p: unions bosses using threats to incite violence, but this guy adds the inference that Detroit teachers can't read well enough to understand the bills language. Ethically challenged­.
9 hours ago (10:57 AM)
you talked to teachers that want to be fired !
10 hours ago (9:59 AM)
If you want to look at teacher quality why not look at the colleges churning them out? Far too many time I have seen student teachers in my district (CA) who were not in it for the right reasons. I have seen master teachers refuse to sign off on the student teachers paper work due to poor performanc­e, then only to have the college adviser pull them out from that site and moved to another one where a teacher will sign off on the paper work.

The colleges are too concerned with quantity not quality.

Colleges need to be evaluated on their teacher candidate.
11 hours ago (9:29 AM)
More resmuglica­n union-bust­ing. It's all part of their fascist agenda.