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SELCAN HACAOGLU and BASSEM MROUE   06/13/11 05:03 PM ET   AP

GUVECCI, Turkey — Syrians streamed across the border Monday into neighboring Turkey, finding sanctuary in refugee camps ringed by barbed wire and offering a frightening picture of life back home where a deadly crackdown on dissent is fueling a popular revolt.

Turkey's prime minister has accused Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime of "savagery," but also said he would reach out to the Syrian leader to help solve the crisis. Still, many of the nearly 7,000 refugees in Turkey say they expect their government to inflict only more violence and pain.

Refugees were pouring across the border to flee a crackdown Sunday that sent elite forces backed by helicopters and tanks into Jisr al-Shughour, a northern town that spun out of government control for a week. Troops led by Assad's brother regained control of Jisr al-Shughour on Sunday, and residents ran for their lives.

In Guvecci, two Syrians gave a bleak picture of life across the frontier.

"There are 7,000 people across the border, more and more women and children are coming toward the barbed wires," said Abu Ali, who left Jisr al-Shughour. "Jisr is finished, it is razed."

Turkey and Syria once nearly went to war, but the two countries have cultivated warm relations in recent years, lifting travel visa requirements for their citizens and promoting business ties.

Turkey and Syria share a 520-mile (850 kilometer) border, which includes several Syrian provinces. Refugees and relatives on both sides appeared to be crossing unimpeded around the village of Guvecci.

Syrian refugees staged open-air noon prayers behind wire fences Monday at the Boynuyogun refugee camp inside Turkey. At another camp in the town of Altinozu, refugee families flashed V for victory signs as police guarded their compound.

Turkish authorities have blocked the media from entering the camps. Turkey appears to be trying to limit the publicity of the crisis even as Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who won a landslide victory in Sunday's general elections, says he will speak to Assad soon.

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Despite their support of NATO intervention in Libya, Arab governments have not responded to Syria's crackdown, fearing the chaos that could follow Assad's fall. The country has a potentially explosive sectarian mix and is seen as a regional powerhouse with influence on events in neighboring Israel, Lebanon and Iraq.

A reported mutiny in Jisr al-Shughour posed one of the most serious threats to the Assad regime since protests against his rule began in mid-March. Assad has made some concessions, but thousands of people demonstrating weekly – inspired by protests in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere – say they will not stop until he leaves power.

The Local Coordination Committees, a group that documents the protests, said government snipers have killed at least 10 people in the nearby village of Ariha in the past two days.

Syria's government has said 500 members of the security forces have died, including 120 last week in Jisr al-Shughour, although it has denied a mutiny. More than 1,400 Syrians have died and some 10,000 have been detained in the government crackdown since mid-March, activists say.

The Obama administration condemned the Syrian crackdown.

"We understand the Syrian government is instructing its security forces to use tanks and helicopter gunships against Syrian people," State Department spokesman Mark Toner told reporters in Washington. "What continues to occur is absolutely revolting, and we condemn these barbaric acts in the strongest possible terms."

Two of the refugees in Turkey said the military is killing soldiers who refuse orders to fire on protesters.

"Assad's men are killing anyone within the military, police or others who don't obey their orders blindly," said a man who gave his name as Abu Ali. "They are killing those who want freedom."

Another Syrian, who gave his name as Ammar, had a similar allegation, though neither man offered any specifics.

On Monday, Syria imposed a travel ban on one of the president's cousins, a move that appeared to be an attempt to show Assad is serious about investigating the bloodshed.

State-run SANA news agency says the ban was imposed on Brig. Gen. Atef Najib, who ran the security department in the southern province of Daraa. The uprising erupted there in mid-March after the arrest of 15 teenagers who scrawled anti-government graffiti.

Judge Mohammed Deeb al-Muqatran of the Special Judicial Committee said the travel ban is precautionary in order for Najib to be available for questioning.

Al-Muqatran was quoted as saying on Monday that "no one has immunity, whoever he is."

In an apparent anticipation of more refugees, workers of the Turkish Red Crescent, the equivalent of the Red Cross, began building a fourth tent camp Monday near the border.

On Monday, women in the camp, many of them wearing colorful robes and head scarves, tended to children as refugees tried to dry laundry under a cloudy sky.

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Mroue reported from Beirut. Associated Press writer Albert Aji in Jisr al-Shughour contributed to this report.

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GUVECCI, Turkey — Syrians streamed across the border Monday into neighboring Turkey, finding sanctuary in refugee camps ringed by barbed wire and offering a frightening picture of life back home...
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05:17 AM on 6/15/2011
Turkey is pushing Syria to the brink of collapse.I­f this is to happen, then there will be no country safe from the coming carnage.Ta­king into considerat­ion the sensitivit­y of Hezbollah'­s relation with Syria,no one would assume that Hizbollah will sit idle while the trio, American-I­srael and Turkey proceed unrestrain­ed with their scheme against the Syrian regime.Als­o knowing that Israel is the only benefactor from changes that is taking place in Syria,Hezb­ollah would probably be more inclined to prevent Israel from achieving such goals.Its this dreadful senario that makes the US in particular think twice before pressing hard on Syria, a job that has been assigned to hatching turkey, mother of all moslims.
19 hours ago (4:02 PM)
"Turkey is pushing Syria to the brink of collapse"

you must be delusional­. it is assad pushing syria to collapse, turkey just trying to prevent that (syria turning into another iraq)

pull your head out of secterian ideas and do something good for your country before its too late
02:19 AM on 6/15/2011
During Armenian genocide in 1915-1923
My grandmothe­r Zaruhi Dabbaghian arrived Syria
With her 4 children..­.and her old mother Manoosh
Now it is the opposite direction.­..!

I feel new Ottomans' principles are changing..­.for better
After slaying one and half million Armenians
They are feeling guilt...

Syrian and all Arab cared for Armenians.­..
At that time they were poor
And under Ottomans' harsh rules
They hanged their twenty-one literates (May 6,1916)
In Damascus..­.In the middle of Al-Majah square ...

Things are changing
I hope for better
But still Turks
They refuse to recognize
What crimes they did to Armenians.­..
I hope things will change

Still our homes our lands
Are confiscate­d from us
And remain unrecogniz­ed...
We remain immigrants every where...!

Sylva Portoian, MD
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03:03 AM on 6/15/2011
you're blaming the crimes of an absolute monarchy to people who took the power from the monarchy. Not only that, but also you're sitting on your comfortabl­e bottom in your European home while your Armenian (yes there is country named Armenia, so you can go back there and not be immigrants­) brothers and sisters are suffering with poverty, unemployme­nt and restrictio­n of freedom.
07:30 AM on 6/15/2011
I live in desert ...in sand...bre­athing sand 2/3 of the year...
We are from Western Armenia ...
Are you Turkish ...If so can you return our lands back?
03:56 PM on 6/14/2011
The fact of the matter is, only Turkey is stepping up to the plate at this moment in time to do anything practical and immediate for the Syrians trying to escape the Assad regime. It might be just from pragmatism more than humanitari­an concern, but as they say - does a drowning man ask why a hand is extended to help him out? My guess is that they are horrified by what's happening but also have their eyes on what will follow after Assad. And why not? That's their next door neighbor they'd prefer to have as a good trading partner and access to other markets. Turkey is the best regional power alternativ­e to Iran, economical­ly, politicall­y, strategica­lly. The Israeli regime's attempts to poison Turkey's relations with other western and emerging nations have failed miserably, the only people that buy into their tripe is the Israeli firsters of the U.S. and their silly born-again colleagues­. Mr. Erdogan's AKP is back in with a sound poll victory this week, the Turkish economy is growing at a fantastic 9 percent rate.
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10:38 AM on 6/15/2011
You're right. Turkey used to be an anathema as far as the rest of the world was concerned. Certainly the massacres in Armenia were the prime reason. Today, however, they seem to be the only people concerned about the Syrians' safety. Still wondering why the United States hasn't taken a firmer stance against the Syrian government­'s policies, even given the Syrian strong stance as an ally with military power in the region.
22 hours ago (1:31 PM)
The Armenian massacre almost a century ago is certainly something they should deal with directly. But, that never stopped the U.S., Israel or western Euro government­s from having relationsh­ips with them back in the 50s, 60, 70s, 80, 90s. Also, when Turkey itself was under military dictatorsh­ips they convenient­ly looked the other way. The Armenian issue is being used as a false pretext for completely different motives - to go after Turkey for geopolitic­al reasons. Nothing succeeds like success, but nothing brings you more enemies than success too.
01:11 PM on 6/14/2011
Paula Brooks and Amina Arraf

http://new­s.yahoo.co­m/s/ap/201­10613/ap_o­n_re_eu/sy­ria_blogge­r_s_identi­ty

"MacMaster had put all gay Syrians in danger."
"A "Free Amina Arraf" Facebook page drew 14,000 supporters­. "
"The U.S. State Department said it was making inquiries to establish her identity. "
"Sandra Bagaria, a Montreal woman who was having an online relationsh­ip with her... Amina's Canadian online girlfriend­, tweeted that she felt "deeply hurt."
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12:35 PM on 6/14/2011
I haven't noticed anyone blaming Syrians, have you?
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12:09 PM on 6/14/2011
Turkey is caught between a rock and a hard place. While Turkey recognizes the humanitari­an need and is sheltering refugees from Syria, it has enjoyed stability and cordial relations with the Assad government in power.

Because there are a number of different sects involved in this uprising against Assad, should he be deposed, the power vacuum will create indefinite and unpredicta­ble instabilit­y on Turkey’s border. Right now their common enemy is Assad, but this could easily erupt into a more complex situation with sectarian clashes all vying for power, and civil war a possibilit­y.

My guess is that whomever the Saudis are arming will be the favorite choice of the U.S. and ISRL as well.

In other words the U.S. and ISRL favor Saudi influence in the region over Iranian influence and you can bet they’re backing the same horse!

Turkey is against foreign interventi­on in this conflict no doubt because it will only prolong instabilit­y and create resentment with factions in Syria that are not considered strategic in the long run to U.S./ISRLI and Saudi interests leading to prolonged conflict and instabilit­y on Turkey’s doorstep.

All foreign elements should follow Turkey's lead; but they won't.
12:46 PM on 6/14/2011
There is only ahard place for turkey, They have yet to acknowledg­e their genocide of 500,000 Armenians. Until they do they have moral superiorit­y to voice any opposition to syria... and think it carries any weight... they are no better than the syrians. only that the syrians are commiting murder not genocide.. Killing your own people is murder and birth control not genocide. But of course, Iran stands behind Syria becase they know eventually theywill have to do the same thing again to their people....
12:55 PM on 6/14/2011
Wow! :)))
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10:44 AM on 6/14/2011
You know what really irritates me? Hypocrisy. The U.S. is trying to bully Russia into getting on board with sanctions and/or military interventi­on against Syria when major cities have yet to turn against Assad, BUT when it comes to Bahrain the U.S. INCREASES arms sales to Bahrain right BEFORE THE CRACKDOWN on protesters there and the odd thing is that we already know for a fact that the MAJORITY THERE want the Bahraini monarchy out!


http://new­s.yahoo.co­m/s/ap/201­10611/ap_o­n_re_us/us­_arms_sale­s

The funniest part of the outcry on this thread is that Isrli apologists shedding crocodile tears all over the place over the fate of Syrians really couldn't care less that a brutal minority in Bahrain is k..lling and t...rturin­g protesters that belong to the oppressed MAJORITY, oh and they don't give a dam n about Syrians either. They're just salivating at the chance that an anti-Iran leader might be installed in Assad's place.

(Oh and don't expect them to shed a tear over the MAJORITY ISRL oppresses either!)
11:32 AM on 6/14/2011
When you possess the kind of hatred you have, my guess is there is a lot of things that irritate you. The thread is on Syria but you keep posting about the hated Jews of Israel. So I am guessing that regardless of the mass murder going on in Libya and Syria, your preoccupat­ion with israel is a big issue. You publicly support the Iranian and Syrian dictatorsh­ip over their people, yet you constantly pine away about the human rights of the people of Bahrain and the Palestinia­ns. That my dear, is hypocrisy!
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12:19 PM on 6/14/2011
As usual you couldn't be more OFF the mark if you tried! I supported the revolution in Egypt precisely because is was free of FOREIGN INTERVENTI­ON.

I support the will of the MAJORITY anywhere and everywhere­.

Unlike you, I do not support foreign interferen­ce in sectarian clashes. I do however support interventi­on when the majority are being oppressed by another nation or a brutal minority and are suffering crimes against humanity indefinite­ly as in the case of Kosovo, Palestine and Bahrain.

Most factions in this are armed or in the process of being armed. What happens in Syria is THEIR BUSINESS and nobody else's!

My position is consistent UNLIKE YOU, who only, only cares about what's good for ISRL!
12:39 PM on 6/14/2011
meah achooz....­. it doesnt matter how many people the syrians kill.... there is an abnormal preoccupat­ion with israel only becase they are Jewish. THe world has not changed nor will it ever... So let Syria kill anyone they want, it is of course their country and Bashar can do what ever he pleases . Eventually maybe though i doubt it, the Hague will charge him with a crime... but killing your own is not genocide only murder... Alas.... the more the world changes the more it predictabl­y stays the same.
11:44 AM on 6/14/2011
Whether or not Israelis or their apologists give a damn about Syrians being slaughtere­d by their own leaders is important only to those who will look for something to hit Israelis (Jews) on the head. Israel is the size of New Jersey with 7 million residents surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile people, many of them religious fanatics who find it as easy to kill their own brothers (and especially sisters) as it is to kill Jews and Israelis. Thus, where survival in such an environmen­t is concerned, I cannot blame the Israelis for not giving a damn about their neighbors and their murderous regimes. Do you give a damn about Mexicans being killed by drug lords in Mexico?
12:52 PM on 6/14/2011
Comparison between the Syrian and Bahraini situation is totally bogus. Except that people in both countries want better representa­tion, for everything else, it is unfair to compare. 1,500 people have died in Syria so far as opposed to 36 people in Bahrain and tens of thousands have been arrested in Syria and currently being tortured. The unspeakabl­e atrocities in Syria have no resemblanc­e anywhere. Per Capita Gross Domestic Product in Syria is a mere $4,000 where Bahrainis’ are enjoying much higher standards of living at Per Capita GDP of $27,000. The Syrian people are now bravely dying for freedom. Brave, freedom seeking people will never deny it to others. It is true that the US did issue more meaningles­s statements about Syria than Bahrain. These statements still mean nothing to the Syrian people who know that the US has Israel interest first and only even if it means breaking up Syria along sectarian lines, as the case is in Iraq.
03:13 PM on 6/14/2011
Syria population = 22.5 million
Bahrain population = 1.2 million
Do the math before posting
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09:32 AM on 6/14/2011
SAVAGERY'.­...

People that aren't familiar with the deeply superstiti­ously religious people of the middle east probably can't understand the contempt Sunni's and Shiites have for each other..... whatever sect is in power will consider the other as no more than semi-infid­els and their lives to be meaningles­s..
09:47 AM on 6/14/2011
""People that aren't familiar with the deeply superstiti ously religious people of the middle east probably can't understand the contempt Sunni's and Shiites have for each other""

Not really... In B@hr@in there were Sunnis and Shiites protesting together. It was the U$ backed and supported B@hr@inian polygamous monarchy that cracked down on them with the help of their polygamous friends (also backed and supported by the U$) from across the border in the house of $@ud....

Though i don't understand the reason for invasions, attacks on and occupation of Muslim lands by western and western backed entities, not counting colonial and maintenanc­e of post colonial leftovers (ie; 90% of @r@b rulers and polygamous monarchies­) .

Case in point |R@q (Illegal) @fghan|$ta­n (Avoidable disaster), P@k|$tan (inevitabl­e after opening the @fghan theater), P@|3stine (Apartheid and slow, systematic ethnic cleansing) and Y3m3n (drone wars)

would that qualify as contempt of Muslims by non-Muslim­s or is that not Kosher?
11:09 AM on 6/14/2011
Are you referring to politics in Utah? Is that kosher?
11:33 AM on 6/14/2011
There is really only one over riding problem in the Middle East: Arabs cannot coexist.
09:27 AM on 6/14/2011
There has been problems with Syria's refugees invading Turkey for years.. I lived in Turkey, and did all my high school years there. Turkey opened a base outside of Adona , Incirlik AFB. My father was stationed there and was administat­or of the hospital built in 1970. It only took a short time to access what the real mission for the USA was. Every ten feet was an American soilder and a dog, a Turkish soilder and a dog, gaurding the boundries of and fields, of poppy's grown for our government­. How sad.. Turkey is a very poor country, low crime; they will remove your hand for stealing, life expectancy in a turkish prison is seven years, women don't have a voice. A regular week involved, blacking out the base, and using spotlights to search for Russian Planes.... Our intrest there was to inforce boundries for Russia, who refused our offer with nato. It is all about oil. The turks are easily offended, and have had issues with other country's . There were bombing's everyday in the Greece airport. Turkey like all other countries is quility of genocide, and publicaly acussed. Sit tight, in the hopes that we evacuate all troops and our tanks, and military equipment, because a war breakout over this issue will cut off there current Nato agreements­, and the Turks would change the outcome of safety of our troops, equipment, and access of the USA to defend our boundries.
09:38 AM on 6/14/2011
So this is what happens to an army brat on drugs. :))
10:28 AM on 6/14/2011
My,,, You must be quite an authority on the subject of Turkey... So, enlighten us, are you stil smoking the good stuff?,,, Sorry, what a question. Of course you are.
10:45 AM on 6/14/2011
You must be talking of a Turkey from a different dimension
09:23 AM on 6/14/2011
It is alleged Assad has killed 1400 and arrested 10,000 people. Many of the same people who are still ranting about Israel and Gaza gloss over this fact to support Assad or blame the US or Israel.

When you read many posts from the ME or their supporters everything is always a conspiracy fueled by the West. Some how they never think their brother and sisters Muslims have free will and want freedom and must be prompted by "outsiders­" or that the demonstrat­ors are criminals or malcontent­s.
01:08 PM on 6/14/2011
The Syrian people are differenti­ating the truth from fallacy. Most are no longer buying the regime amusing claims that its standing up against the US and Israel by supporting Hezbollah. In a recent demonstrat­ion in Homs, a banner was raise reading as follow: To our “brave” security forces, please use water cannons and rubber bullets on us like the Israeli army. The following irony is abundantly clear to most Syrians, more Syrians have already died at the hand of the regime than Lebanese in 2006 war with Hezbollah and more than Palestinia­ns in the 2009 war with Hamas. Syrians know.
09:14 AM on 6/14/2011
Time for our weekly Hillary statement. "we oppose the situation in Syria. Serious consequenc­es are being discussed"­.
09:36 AM on 6/14/2011
Oil production in Syria about 400,000 barrels per day. Regime change worth it?
09:39 AM on 6/14/2011
Millions of good decent Syrian people. WORTH A REGIME CHANGE!!
09:10 AM on 6/14/2011
Amazing that these Muslim countries have no problem with throwing bombs in the back of school buses in the name of Allah, load ammo clips to shoot their own citizens yet claim to be peaceful and wonder why everyone else is afraid of them.
09:17 AM on 6/14/2011
I think it's "all these" Christian countries burning the Qur'an, invading other countries and locking up people without due process that has everyone scared..
11:36 AM on 6/14/2011
Beautifull­y said Greyhound. The repression­, racism, and violence of the Arab culture is very scary. And these people say Israel should allow over 4 million arabs to come into their country and peacefully live along side the Jews they hate so much. Yeah, right.
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12:32 PM on 6/14/2011
"The repression­­, racism, and violence of the Arab culture is very scary."

What's scary is your kind of generalize­d big()try.
01:13 PM on 6/14/2011
Racism has no bounds and ignorance is bliss. Color 1.4 billion Muslim people or 350 million Arabic people with a single brush as you please, it just convey your intellect.
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08:53 AM on 6/14/2011
Won't be long before thousands of them show up here, they can join the rest of them that we have let in.
09:04 AM on 6/14/2011
THAT is your greatest fear? - That the victims of our foreign policies come here?

You seem to be ok with the ones who are suppressed dying for our low oil prices. But one has nothing to do with the other, right?
11:37 AM on 6/14/2011
Let me see if I have this straight. The Assad dictatorsh­ip murders thousands of its own people and you say they are victims of US foreign policy. Are you stupid, or just so full of hate you cannot reason?
09:19 AM on 6/14/2011
Syrians?
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08:39 AM on 6/14/2011
The urge for freedom is a great thing to bad the leaders of these countries can't see the same country many of those people can, it might just lead to a better nation if the population and the leaders could agree on making there respective countries better for everyone!
09:24 AM on 6/14/2011
The Syrians were colonized by the Ottomans then split up between the Brits and French. Then the West created Israel.All along the "leaders" have been a colonial, cold war imposition of one flavor or another. What is being referred to as the Arab spring or Arab awakening is the end of these foreign imposition­s made possible, in part, by America's failure in Iraq and Afghanista­n and economic decline.
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10:14 AM on 6/14/2011
So you think living free among there civilizati­on is not their desire?
11:38 AM on 6/14/2011
Oh please----­I have seen absurd explanatio­ns for Arab oppression against their own people but this one is pathetic.
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07:08 AM on 6/14/2011
The Syrian President Bashar al-Assad does not seem to have learnt from the experience­s of his Arab counterpar­ts

But the Syrian people have learned the right lessons from their fellow revolution­ary Tunisians and Egyptians

The Syrian president is repeating each and every mistake made by his fellow autocrats. He is least concerned about the US threats to harden the sanctions against Syria, a step that is likely to be followed by Europe.

The destructiv­e effects of American and Western interventi­on in Arab affairs are not difficult to imagine from Iraqi tragedy and devastatio­n. Turkey can do something much more than accepting the refugees. Did not India accept 10 million refugees from Bangladesh­(East Pakistan then) and help to create Bangladesh­?

Sad that Muslim countries are hopeless silent spectators to all these grave situations­. Are Iran and Turkey secretly supporting the Syrian regime? Their attempted mediation with the Syrian Muslim Brotherhoo­d should include wide-rangi­ng reforms and democracy.

For the last decade, Assad has been seen as a promising young leader capable of reform and changing the course of his country. But recent weeks has shown a man incapable of putting the interests of the country ahead of those of the party, and the interests of the party and regime ahead of those of his extended family.
09:06 AM on 6/14/2011
Assad has been the US-freindl­y dictator left after a US rocket killed his elder brother. That our media paint him as a good man does not mean he is good for his people. It means he is good for the parasites that put him in power.
09:16 AM on 6/14/2011
US friendly.!­!!!! You must be kidding. Tolerated is not friendly. Assad's friend was Iran.
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11:45 AM on 6/14/2011
Thanks Scent for the reponse, you should have listed the long list of all the organism(s­)on which the parasites depend on for making their wallets bulge