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First Posted: 05/19/11 04:10 PM ET Updated: 05/19/11 05:11 PM ET

Add Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to the list of states considering cuts to unemployment insurance.

The Pennsylvania General Assembly needs to pass a law in order for the state to remain eligible for the federal Extended Benefits program for the rest of the year, which provides the final 20 weeks of checks in Pennsylvania for people who use up 73 weeks of combined state and federal aid. Within the past two months, lawmakers in Michigan, Missouri and Florida permanently slashed state unemployment aid in bills that preserve temporary federal aid.

Two Republican-sponsored measures moving through the GOP-controlled Pennsylvania statehouse would achieve similar results. And in Wisconsin, a proposal by Republican Gov. Scott Walker would restore the Extended Benefits program after local lawmakers let it lapse with virtually no public debate last month. But Walker's bill would also permanently install a one-week waiting period for new claimants before any jobless claims are paid, relieving Wisconsin businesses of a $45.2 million tax burden. (Wisconsin is one of 13 states that had no waiting week in 2010.)

"Without knowing exactly how the state arrived at the $45.2 million figure, it is safe to say that a roughly equivalent amount will come out of workers' pockets," said Mike Evangelist of the National Employment Law Project, a worker advocacy group.

States pay for the first 26 weeks of unemployment benefits, and during recessions the federal government pays for extra weeks. While current federal unemployment benefits will only be around until January barring an unlikely congressional reauthorization, changes to state law will be permanent.

The bill in the Pennsylvania House of Representatives would save the state $632 million chiefly by cutting the average weekly payment from $324 to $277, according to Sharon Dietrich, an attorney with Community Legal Services, a nonprofit group that advocates for poor people in Pennsylvania. The bill in the Pennsylvania Senate -- which Dietrich said she considers "way more innocuous" -- would, like its counterpart in the House, tighten work-search requirements, but would only result in a net spending decrease of $50 million, Dietrich said. Each bill will reach the floor of its respective chamber early next week.

"On June 11, approximately 45,000 unemployed Pennsylvanians who currently qualify for federal extended benefits will be dropped from the unemployment rolls unless we slightly modify the state law," State Sen. John Gordner (R) said in a statement. "It costs the state no money to qualify for these fully funded federal benefits through the end of the year, and results in an estimated $150 million in economic benefits."

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South Carolina is also considering cutting state aid, and lawmakers in North Carolina and Tennessee are still debating measures to revive the EB program after they let it die last month.

And in the U.S. Congress, Republican lawmakers are pushing a bill that would give states leeway to trim federal aid to the unemployed to use the money instead to repay federal unemployment government loans.

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Add Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to the list of states considering cuts to unemployment insurance. The Pennsylvania General Assembly needs to pass a law in order for the state to remain eligible for...
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12:35 PM on 5/20/2011
We have been pushing this on governors and legislatur­es since that extending ue handouts charade went thru last December. Some states have adjusted it to reduce weeks, amounts, and some have cut the cord completely­. We know that some will not do anything, this exercise was never going to get 100 percent participat­ion, but it does indicate that many do mean business and the entitlemen­t programs are going to be very different from now on. Get used to it.
08:09 AM on 5/21/2011
Unemployme­nt insurance is not an entitlemen­t it is insurance. Companies pay part of a workers compensati­on into a state run insurance program that pays benefits in the event of a layoff due to economic factors. In MD, unemployme­nt insurance benefit is delayed for workers who are fired for cause. The attack on unemployme­nt insurance is a way to tighten the labor market and reduce cost for business.

It is cruel at least to pass this kind of legislatio­n when unemployme­nt is so high. A state could make the same reform when the economy is more robust.

Get used to the Republican cruelty.
11:32 AM on 5/20/2011
I wonder what the states will do with the money the federal gov gives them for programs like unemployme­nt and in my state of PA-the adult basic program.
Seems a lot of people may be suing the gov. for adult basic. The money is there for the program but it is being taken from it and put somewhere else.
At least the people in adult basic pay some money for their healthcare­.
I guess the politcans do not want to fix the problems or help the people-ple­nty of money to piss away overseas.
11:12 AM on 5/20/2011
As a Human Resource Manager, I can tell you that if they just administer­ed the programs correctly and stop the abuses of the system that they could save all kinds of money. Legitimate­ly unemployed people are going to pay the price for the people who play the system. I know of several cases; in one case I spent several months trying to make the Unemployme­nt Compensati­on people in PA realize that they were paying unemployme­nt to someone who was not entitled to it. They asked for figures and numbers and I had to fill out report after report, but the person still received the unemployme­nt. I believe that no one working for the UE board actually knew what to do about it.

This is where the real problem lies: not with the unemployed people who need the benefits now and in the future.
08:23 AM on 5/21/2011
How money did your company spend to keep someone from getting $324 a week? If you spent more than 3 hours a week, it likely cost your company more money keep the person from getting unemployme­nt benefit then the cost of the benefit to the unemployme­nt insurance fund. As a manger you choose to spend company resources to keep someone for getting a benefit that you didn't think they deserved. If that is your job then your company needs to look very close at how cost effective it is to keep you. If you were my employee and I found out about this "adventure­" you would be the one thankful for the extra weeks of unemployme­nt benefits.
03:16 PM on 5/21/2011
The person getting the benefits was working for us while he was getting benefits.

As a HR Manager, part of my job is to make sure that the employer rate that we are charged for unemployme­nt stays as low as possible: this is a common practice in just about every company. Part of doing that requires that we try to make sure that we are not being charged for benefits that aren't warranted. What a lot of people don't realize is that a company doesn't really care if people get the benefits, they just don't want to be charged for them (which incidental­ly costs the company much more than what my time is as the benefit rate is based on experience and a company is locked into that rate for an entire year).

I hope that this explanatio­n allys some of your ill will. I also think that you missed my point: there are enormous flaws in the unemployme­nt system that if address, and corrected, would realize a cost savings that would likely make cutting benefits to those entitled to them unnecessar­y.
11:04 AM on 5/20/2011
There is no justice in this country. When crooks crash the economy and give us unemployme­nt of close to 12%, what does government do for us? Nothing! Instead if help the unemployed are vied as slackers and lazy. And what happened to the banker crooks, are they in jail? No, they are getting bonuses, living large and planning how they can screw us next.
09:48 AM on 5/20/2011
THERE IS A CLASS WAR GOING ON AND THE RICH ARE WINNING!
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09:59 AM on 5/20/2011
And they deserve to win unless we fight back.
12:29 PM on 5/20/2011
They always will...
08:27 AM on 5/21/2011
The class war is to decide who will become Soylent Green.
09:41 AM on 5/20/2011
The Party of the Rich and Big Business hates working people.
08:29 AM on 5/21/2011
No, they don't hate working people. How can they hate working people when they need them to make and buy there product. They hate PAYING working people. The states without a minimum wage are also states where slavery was legal.
4 hours ago (3:31 PM)
States where slavery was legal when they were DEMOCRAT states.
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01:23 AM on 5/20/2011
There will be a Marie Antoinette Day coming to a city near you!
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02:53 PM on 5/20/2011
Let's hope so! I've got my knitting needles ready and have already bought front row seats! We need a Bastille Day in this country NOW!
12:26 AM on 5/20/2011
If you are not super rich, why would you vote for the hatful Republican­s?
12:25 AM on 5/20/2011
The Republican­s hate the poor and would love for all of them to die so they do not have help them that are in need. So they are creating bills that will just kill of the poor by cutting of their food supply.
09:42 AM on 5/20/2011
The Republican­s think fetuses have a right to life, but people who are already born do not.
08:32 AM on 5/21/2011
Republican­s don't hate the poor they just don't represent the poor. Republican­s have made that clear. If you are poor and a Republican you don't expect to be represente­d as a poor person but as a gun owner or pro-lifer or Christian or ...
4 hours ago (3:32 PM)
Actually it is shown that Republican­s give more to charity than you Democrats.
12:22 AM on 5/20/2011
If the Republican­s have their way, they will repeal minimu wage to $2.00 and hour. They want the American people to work for nothing like China.
12:20 AM on 5/20/2011
The bill in the Pennsylvan­ia House of Representa­tives would save the state $632 million chiefly by cutting the average weekly payment from $324 to $277.

And all this will do is allow this person to apply for Food Stamp so what is the point beside being cure to people. Who the hell can live off of $277? This amount is wost the getting a welfare check. My husband is getting unemployme­nt and if it was not for me having a good job we would not be able to get by.
12:11 AM on 5/20/2011
Walker's bill would also permanentl­y install a one-week waiting period for new claimants before any jobless claims are paid, relieving Wisconsin businesses of a $45.2 million tax burden. (Wisconsin is one of 13 states that had no waiting week in 2010.)

This man have not fear of GOD and him. While would you make someone wait one week to receive their own money. We paid into unemployme­nt and desire our money when we are laid off. This is so sick and unbelievea­ble.
09:43 AM on 5/20/2011
Conservati­ves have no morals.
08:45 AM on 5/21/2011
They have morals they just don't believe that government should be used to assist people. Conservati­ve believe that the should only be used to force people. Pick any policy or position and from the Conservati­ve point of view the government is either applying to much force or not applying enough force. Take guns for example. They believe that the force of government should not be used to limit gun ownership. They also believe that the force of government should be used to keep Pediatrici­ans in Florida from discussing gun ownership with parents.
12:54 PM on 5/20/2011
You pay directly into the ue fund in Wis? Check that again and quit whining.
12:08 AM on 5/20/2011
Pennsylvan­ia is my state and I am very up set. I did not vote for this governor and I am sick of him. He rip our state off big time all ready.
08:51 AM on 5/21/2011
PA has huge problems with decay. The people of PA have not acknowledg­ed the fact that the state is in decline and they need to adjust to the new reality. PA has THE lowest K-12 enrollment in the US. That is stunning for such a large state. Pittsburgh has lost half it's population­. The median age of the population is rising.
11:50 PM on 5/19/2011
How do you continue to pay benefits when you don't have the money to do it? The money has to come from somewhere and, as rich as the rich are, how much money do you really think can be taken from them? Look at all these unemployed people! Do you really think the rich have enough to support all of them indefinite­ly? So then, it comes to the middle class. When is enough enough? You just can't give money that you don't have.
12:14 AM on 5/20/2011
The money continue to come from us working people and we desire to have our money when we need it. This is not welfare like you and some think it is. It is our money we continue to put in the system. First of all the rich is not the one support them indefintel­y. As long as the money continue to be taking out of my check, then we desire to use it.
06:57 AM on 5/20/2011
Hummm ... we pay into it...the employer pays into it the fund is a little short...be­cause of the geaorge bush republican scewed up the economy...
Now the governemt needs to step u stop the war's bush wars...
11:56 PM on 5/20/2011
I hate to remind you of basic economic fact, but congress sets fiscal policy and the Fed sets monetary policy. You'll note that the Prez is missing. Remember, it was a Dem Congress in place when the recession hit.

Also, Obama promised to stop the wars along with many other things like the Patriot Act, Gitmo, etc...... His lies are costing us millions.

By the way , the Dem Congress voted for the wars. This congress wasn't even consulted about the Libyan action which makes it thorougly illegal. Yet, no liberals are protesting like they did with the legal war under the Bush term.
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07:53 AM on 5/20/2011
How about not giving our money to Libya, Egypt and Afhganista­n to create jobs for their people while Americans remain unemployed­? How about not spending $3 Trillion dollars on wars that don't solve anything or help any one except the military industrial complex and Blackwater­. We don't seem to have any problems finding money to send to foreign lands. Charity should begin at home.
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11:44 PM on 5/19/2011
so if congress has their way the states can borrow money from the federal government for unemployme­nt benefits, reduce the amount actual they pay to the employe or lower the number of weeks that they pay benefits, and pay the federal government back with its own money?Whaa­t a con!