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Greece Is Not a Country, It's a Party

Posted: 06/ 8/11 05:52 PM ET

Finally, someone at the European Central Bank has hinted that a baseball bat may be what's needed to fix the never ending Greek debt mess.

The hint was couched in polite Euro-speak, mentioning a "second stage of bailouts," where the Eurozone would take some control over a country's [read Greek's] economic policies if it could not do so itself. Hours later, the Bank's economist was more blunt and stated that if Athens doesn't take the necessary measures then other parties would "interfere."

Translated into plain and simple English, it looks like the Euros are finally realizing what has to happen. Greece needs to undergo a severe "workout," which is banking jargon for lenders commandeering a profligate's management. Put another way, on the streets of Calabria or New York City, it is time to bring in the "muscle" because the loan "sharks" want their "juice."
More genteel lingo and methods have been applied to no avail. This is because Greece is not a country, it's a party.

Taxes have gone uncollected forever or have been short stopped by corrupt tax collectors. For decades, Greek governments have paid civil servants bonuses for showing up to work on time and 14 months' pay for Christmas. Retirement has averaged at 53 years of age. The other members of the "Club Med," or Club Nearly Dead, include Portugal, Spain and Italy which have soaring costs and gigantic underground, tax free economies.

There's also Ireland with governments that behaved as if their entry subsidies to the EU would never end.

The Greeks are the worst of the lot, and the Euro lenders should get in there and undertake a couple of obvious reforms in the absence of any Greek political leadership. Tax collection there should be outsourced to independent collection agencies, which know how to deploy tried-and-true measures to get taxpayers to pony up.

One condition of this latest, the fourth, bailout should stipulate the transfer of title of all Greece's publicly-owned assets so they can be foreclosed and sold to cover deficits and pay down debts. Greece, as one German legislator suggested two years ago, has hundreds of beautiful publicly owned islands and other assets that should be privatized to fix the fiscal mess.

By the way, these poorly managed nations are not going to sink the global economy but they should be of concern to everyone. Greece is economically the size of Denmark or Maryland; Ireland the size of Israel or Alabama and Portugal the size of Hong Kong or Louisiana. But if the Europeans keep tiptoeing around this situation, the unraveling of the European Project will unfold, with grave and negative ramifications geo-politically.

The root of the problem is that the euro experiment was badly designed: One cannot have monetary union without political integration, at least when it comes to fiscal and economic policies. So the fixes are obvious and anything less will fall short:

-- All euro countries must scrap their national central banks and bank regulatory systems in favor of one central bank and financial system.

-- The subsidized members must submit to stringent workouts by this new entity and avoid the embarrassment, and risk, of public bond markets. This means the crisis can remain "in house," which is where it belongs for the sake of properly managed members.

-- A portion of the workouts should include loan restructuring and a significant haircut to bond holders or banks who have known for a couple of years the risks involved. They've been betting the Euros will never stop putting bad money in after good.

It all sounds very severe, and there are Greeks protesting on the streets every day. But they were protesting when the retirement age was kept at 53 years of age and when civil servants, who were already underworked and overpaid, wanted more year after.

At least, tough remedies will give them something legitimate to protest in the streets about. That's because the Greeks, and all Euros, must realize that when a client owes a bank one million dollars and cannot pay, the client is in trouble. When a country owes its partners hundreds of billions and cannot repay, the partnership is in trouble.

From Diane Francis and appeared in The Financial Post

 
 
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DanAsta
8 hours ago (10:31 AM)
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This shows Greece is collecting plenty of tax, and when you consider that its biggest industry is untaxed (Shipping) though its revenues are counted as GDP, then the % of tax to GDP is among the highest in Europe. Shipping pays a small tonnage tax based on the weight of ships. Why? Because ships can call any other port a home for tax purposes.

The tax evasion thing is real but not a primary cause of Greece's troubles. Eurostat lists tax evasion in Greece at 25% (though I've seen estimates of 30%). This is not so far an outlier from the 19% Eurozone average or the 18% American average. You can't simply lop on 25% more tax to Greece to figure your calculatio­ns without comparing Greece to other countries (tax evasion is endemic). Still, Greece could use 5 billion more a year, but it would only reduce the annual budget deficit by 1% tops. Besides, this is an apples to oranges comparison­. High tax evasion of high taxes can yield a high amount of tax revenue compared to low tax evasion of low taxes. In the USA, we have hedge fund managers who pay 15% on earnings a year.

Greece is defaulting because over 10% of GDP is being spent on servicing loans at very high tax rates, and they are purchasing military weapons at 5% of GDP (as part of the bailout agreement, a quid pro quo). Otherwise, in terms of gov't affairs, they have a primary balance.
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DanAsta
8 hours ago (10:30 AM)
If you want someone who has absolutely no acquaintan­ce with facts, consult a person in finance. if you want someone who wants to advertise their complete ignorance of facts, read an article by a financial reporter. This article is a disgrace.

The writer should consult Eurostat where she'd find these facts:

1. Average salary of government worker in Greece: below 7,000.
2. Average actual retirement age in Greece: 61.9 (Germany 61.2)
3. Average pension in Greece: below 6,000
4. Average hours worked yearly (OECD): Greece is at 2120, Germany at 1430 (see http://eco­nomistsvie­w.typepad.­com/econom­istsview/2­010/05/abo­ut-that-me­diterranea­n-work-eth­ic.html)

Does this sound like a party to you? This article is nothing more than hateful ethnic baiting.

More facts:
1. Greek tax collection­: 40-43% of GDP over the last 10 years. European average is 44%.
2. Breakdown of Greek tax collection by GDP %: 8% income, 13% social (i.e. payroll/me­dicare), 5% corporate, 14-16% sales and VAT.

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06:56 PM on 6/09/2011
"-- All euro countries must scrap their national central banks and bank regulatory systems in favor of one central bank and financial system.
-- The subsidized members must submit to stringent workouts by this new entity and avoid the embarrassm­ent, and risk, of public bond markets. This means the crisis can remain "in house," which is where it belongs for the sake of properly managed members.
-- A portion of the workouts should include loan restructur­ing and a significan­t haircut to bond holders or banks who have known for a couple of years the risks involved. They've been betting the Euros will never stop putting bad money in after good."

Before the coming of the Euro, the EU had the European Monetary Union, made up of its various currencies that were allowed to "swivel" within a certain bandwidth, to allow national government­s to take up measures in times of economic hardship. The founding of the European Central Bank and the creation of the Euro has stripped government­s of this option. This has created a monetary and political monstrosit­y, not subject to any form of democratic control. In fact, the "stringent workouts" advocated here would be one more step back to feudal medieval Europe.

I would imagine the average American citizen reading this would find such developmen­t appaling if it were to happen in the US.
01:36 PM on 6/09/2011
Greeks don't like to pay taxes but bankers do? Do you really expect us to believe that CEOs and bankers around the world don't evade paying taxes?

Or, maybe you think that the IMF should interfere with the UK, too, because the government is not going after 500,000 UK companies that have evaded taxes.
http://www­.guardian.­co.uk/uk/2­011/mar/23­/budget-20­11-attack-­tax-avoida­nce-token-­gesture

HMRC has been unsuccessf­ul in solving this problem for years, why not send in the people you claim know how to get the job done since the UK is so obviously bad at it?

In other words, your arguments in favor of interferin­g in Greece are flawed.

John Perkins' books shed a great deal of light on what happens behind the scenes in the economic crises we are experienci­ng around the globe. Here's a link to one of them on Amazon.com
http://www­.amazon.co­m/gp/produ­ct/0307589­927?ie=UTF­8&tag=drea­mchange-20­&linkCode=­as2&camp=1­789&creati­ve=9325&cr­eativeASIN­=030758992­7#_
09:55 AM on 6/09/2011
I have only a few simple questions. Does Miss Francis actually know anyone who is Greek? Does she know any of the real, 'little, ordinary' people who live in that country? I do. I know an honest, 86 year old man who worked hard all his life and who has had his VERY small pension cut significan­tly. His wife doesn't get one - they live on 520 Euros a month. They have friends who don't get that much.

Where, in her lovely, tough, 'make them pay up' scheme is there help for a people raped by their past and possibly current corrupt government and church? The real ones, who already live on the street or in cardboard boxes or in cars?

Or do they just get to starve to death so the banks get their money?
12:18 PM on 6/09/2011
Thanks for understand­ing our plight! I have discovered during this crisis a re-emergen­ce of social Darwinists­, that have absolutely no problem with people starving as long as it induces what they deem to be "good behavior".
07:06 PM on 6/09/2011
I have a family of very dear friends there - the man I spoke of is the grandfathe­r. I have watched them and their relatives and friends have an increasing­ly difficult time making ends meet - not because they did anything wrong, but because of years of government greed and corruption that were totally beyond their control. When the drachma was the currency, things were simply much better. The euro has not done much for them except make life infinitely more expensive.

To say that they must bite the bullet and suffer is simply wrong.

I don't know the answer to these problems, but I do know that destroying people is not an effective one.
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DanAsta
8 hours ago (10:32 AM)
Francis is a disgusting person who excels at smears, has very little understand­ing of the facts.
6 hours ago (1:02 PM)
Well, she obviously has no friends or loved ones suffering there.
08:51 AM on 6/09/2011
I can't disagree with this authors take on the Greek mess, but she is completely wrong about the Irish problem. If Ireland was smart they would do what Iceland did and refuse to pay back the recklessne­ss of the Irish banks. They should have been allowed to fail. the bankers deserved nothing less. I don't understand this acceptance of the public being made to pay for bankers foolish behavior.
07:55 AM on 6/09/2011
Considerin­g what she wrote, I wonder how she'll cope with it when China will apply her method to the USA.
07:10 AM on 6/09/2011
Some of the Greek islands could be sold to really rich people, just imagine an entire Greek island for your very own. Then the real rich people can create jobs, something they do so well, by hiring Greek people to work on those islands which used to be their homes. Some of the islands could be sold to Disney to be turned into an ancient Greek theme park which would provide more jobs for Greeks who would dress up like Plato and Aristotle and other famous Greeks like Anthony Quinn. Other islands could be turned into giant food courts with Sbarros and Red Robins, again more jobs for the Greeks. Lots of possibilit­ies here for transforma­tion to a Capitalist utopia.
07:59 PM on 6/09/2011
Jobs? Why jobs? To add a touch of authentici­ty, slavery could be reinstated like in the good old days.
That would give a tremendous boost to productivi­ty index, also making Greece a country where past truly meets the future.
07:02 AM on 6/09/2011
Greece has a tiny economy and should never have been in the EU in the first place....i­t basically was included for sentimenta­l "Birthplac­e of Democracy" reasons. The Greeks should ditch the Euro go back to the drachma...­.suffer a few hard years and then go back to their corrupt ways (like Argentina did a few years back).
08:04 AM on 6/09/2011
"Greece should never have been in the EU in the first place".
I used to live in Europe and totally agree.
08:19 AM on 6/09/2011
could you pls elaborate?
02:32 PM on 6/09/2011
"Greece has a tiny economy"?
How about Cyprus & Malta?
Not to mention that Greek GDP is #39 in the world, higher than a dozen other EU members [CIA Factbook]
06:56 PM on 6/09/2011
Greece is an economic basket case....I'­m glad I no longer pay taxes in the EU.
03:20 AM on 6/10/2011
Let's straighten these prejudices a little:

wikipedia : "A developed country with an advanced high-incom­­­­¬e economy, a very high Human Developmen­­­­t Index (22nd highest in the world 2010) and consistent­­­­ly high quality of life rankings, Greece has been a member of what is now the European Union since 1981 and the eurozone since 2001, NATO since 1952, and the European Space Agency since 2005.
It is also a founding member of the United Nations, the OECD, and the Black Sea Economic Cooperatio­­­­n Organizati­­­­on.

It would be easy to say that Greece was already a full member when die Ossies were still tinkering around with their planned economies. However, that is exactly what the powerful and the filthy rich would like us to do: "divide et imperat".

We need a Europe with more social provisions­­­­, spread somewhat equally over all its citizens, and less subsidies to banks, Royals and other haute finance welfare queens that will then "invest" their bailout money to relocate or outsource jobs to Asia, undermine social provisions like health care and education, or simply speculate against member state economies, all with our own tax money.

The Eurocrats in power only think about economic expansion, and that the original "European" idea has been abandoned. Instead of a European Community, the EU has become nothing more than a huge free trade zone, just like NAFTA.

Read what wiki has says about NAFTA, and you know where the financial institutio­­­­¬ns want to take us to.
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DanAsta
3 hours ago (3:34 PM)
Why do Germans have such a fondness for a reprise of the Treaty of Versailles­. It's amazing. You guys make a virtue out of your long history while you sneer at poor economies. I'd be embarrasse­d if I were you.
1 hour ago (5:27 PM)
Sorry, Dan, but I'm not German., but like many here I have little respect for modern Greek democracy and fiscal discipline­.
06:21 AM on 6/09/2011
1) "The Greeks are the worst of the lot" ... try replacing "Greeks" with "Jews" and read what you've just written.

2) "they were protesting when the retirement age was kept at 53 years of age and when civil servants, who were already underworke­d and overpaid, wanted more year after." ... brought to you straight by Fox News... what's good for Wisconsin must be good for Greece.

3) The Greeks take the least back from Europe, compared to richer industrial­ized nations like Germany or Northern nations, because they have no real need for Internatio­nal trade, as their tourist sector is booming.

4) Amongst the bigger beneficiar­es from EU subsidies are the UK Royals, who cash in more than 1 mio. £ in farm subsidies. Just google EU, subsidies, Royal, and you'll find a few interestin­g reads.
12:23 PM on 6/09/2011
THANKS for that. I can't believe the way Greeks are talked about - maybe the Germans and French want to cancel their hugely lucrative military freighter and submarine contracts with Greek, to help them balance their books. No? I thought not.

Most outside of Greece don't realize that fully 3 quarters of the population pay their taxes, which are deducted at source. It's mostly the rich and powerful that abdicate their responsibi­lities there. Again, bewildered citizens are left to pay for the scandalous conduct of the banks and financial sector, who are only too happy to buy back the "assets" of the country for cents on the dollar.
06:08 AM on 6/09/2011
We can see the American future so clearly just by watching this unfold.
03:19 AM on 6/09/2011
We are all being manipulate­d by the banks.
02:41 AM on 6/09/2011
Ms Francis should do her job and not repeat mistakes of NY Times reporters that did not do their jobs last year. The retirement age in the Greek civil sector is NOT 53 YEARS. Let me say it again - IT IS NOT 53 YEARS. There is a provision for early retirement after 17.5 years of work, but you get half the pension! When a clueless NY Times journalist that does not do proper research gets "the average" he bunches together early retirees and normal retirees, and thinks Greek civil servants retire at 53 with full benefits. When the press corps is that statistica­lly illiterate­, it's really no wonder why the Ryan plan was deemed "serious".
12:25 PM on 6/09/2011
Bravo, Fil, fanned & faved.
12:43 PM on 6/09/2011
Thank you!
01:09 AM on 6/09/2011
What a bunch of main street media fluff.....­you could almost call it journalism­.
I think Diane went to the Taste of the Danforth and hung around some of the 3 am bouzouki crowd for her insight on the working habits of main land Greeks.
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AmySeow
10:53 PM on 6/08/2011
Can everybody start to see how planned all this was? Now we're being told that countries need to give up their sovereignt­y, and even sell their national treasures and islands. The globalists planned this is 1903. And they are about to win.
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DanAsta
3 hours ago (3:36 PM)
The main question is, when there's nothing left for us, when and how does the confiscati­on begin? It happened in 3rd world countries when the oligarchs overplayed their hands. It will happen when the people are fed up. It will also mean the end of capitalism as we know it.