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Liberals In Southern Arizona Seek To Form New State

First Posted: 05/10/11 12:02 PM ET Updated: 05/10/11 09:02 PM ET

Baja Arizona State

TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.

A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.

The ultimate goal of the newly formed political action committee Start our State is to split Pima County off into what would become the nation's 51st state, tentatively dubbed Baja Arizona.

Backers have until July 5 next year to collect the 48,000 signatures required to qualify for a spot on the ballot. If they succeed, it would mark only the first hurdle in a long, circuitous process that even the most determined of supporters readily acknowledge has little chance of bearing fruit.

"We at least need to get it on the ballot, as a nonbinding resolution, to ask the people of Pima County if they want to be a part of Arizona," Tucson attorney Paul Eckerstrom, a former Pima County Democratic chairman who launched the campaign, told Reuters. "All the stars would have to align for this to happen, but it could conceivably happen by the fall of 2013."

U.S. history is replete with efforts to carve one state from another -- from the creation of Kentucky and Tennessee in the 1790s to more modern misfires like proposals to partition Long Island from New York or to split California in half.

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The last successful intrastate secession movement was the formation of West Virginia during the Civil War.

SIZE MATTERS

Although Baja Arizona would be created from just a single county, it would hardly rank as the smallest territory to be granted statehood. Pima County exceeds Rhode Island, Delaware, Connecticut and New Jersey in land mass and surpasses several other states in population, including Alaska, Montana, Wyoming or the Dakotas, according to the U.S. Census.

Partisan tensions have long been a fact of life between left-leaning Pima County and a Phoenix-based political establishment that has produced such conservative giants as Barry Goldwater and John McCain.

But the rift was heightened during the past two years as Republican Governor Jan Brewer and her allies in control of the statehouse pursued a political agenda Democrats saw as extreme, including a crackdown on illegal immigration and proposals, ultimately unsuccessful, to nullify some federal laws.

State lawmaker Ted Vogt, a Republican who represents about one-fifth of Pima County residents, dismissed the breakaway movement as posturing by disgruntled Democrats who see themselves losing clout in state politics.

The county's three mostly rural, Republican-leaning House districts are growing, and so is their influence, Vogt said.
"I don't think a majority of Pima County residents want to leave Arizona," he told Reuters.

Even Tucson's best-known Democrat, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, had to fight tooth and nail to fend of a Republican challenge in her bid for a third term in November.

The ballot measure sought by Arizona secession backers is a nonbinding measure asking Pima County voters if they support petitioning state lawmakers for permission to break away.

Before secession could occur, it would have to be approved separately by the Legislature, and by a second, binding referendum by residents of the proposed state.

If the Legislature refused, organizers could try to sidestep lawmakers with a statewide referendum. If both the Legislature and Pima County voters agreed, then it would be up to the U.S. Congress to grant Baja Arizona formal statehood.

The modern concept of Baja Arizona dates back to 1965, according to Hugh Holub, a local attorney widely credited with coining the term that year during anti-war protests at the University of Arizona. He supports the current effort.

"It sure sends a message to the rest of the world that we aren't like the folks in Maricopa (County)," he said, referring to the state's population center and capital.

But a more historical precedent can be found in Arizona's origins as a U.S. territory, more than half a century before statehood was granted in 1912. The northern bulk of Arizona was ceded by Mexico to the United States in 1848, six years before the lower portion of the territory, south of the Gila River, was separately acquired in 1854 under the Gadsden Purchase.

"It should have been its own state from the get-go," Holub said.

(Editing by Steve Gorman and Greg McCune)

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TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession back...
TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession back...
 
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jasev01
12:45 PM on 5/13/2011
Its be interestin­g I'd like a new state besides Canada and PR who muches off the US but it won't happen because it will add two new liberal Senators.
03:22 PM on 5/12/2011
Can we cut Chicago off from the rest of IL?
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jasev01
12:42 PM on 5/13/2011
and the rest of the us.... sorry, its a NY think I really don't mean it
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
11:38 AM on 5/12/2011
Good to know the whole state is not as stupid as their current leaders. I would welcome a 51st state carved out by sensible people in Arizona.
MrStat1
"Government isn't the solution, it is the problem"
12:36 PM on 5/12/2011
Won't happen because Congress will never approve it.
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satanlite
If ur neibor wtchs Fox Nws wtch ur neibor
12:39 PM on 5/12/2011
It's all about the fight.
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
01:28 PM on 5/12/2011
Yeah, I know--that pesky little constituti­onal provision that you cannot carve a state out another state. But it is a great fantasy!!
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11:08 AM on 5/12/2011
I read between the lines...Li­berals hate America. Liberals hate democracy.
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
11:38 AM on 5/12/2011
And you hate the truth...
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11:44 AM on 5/12/2011
No, liberals hate unregulate­d capitalism­, coercion on social/rel­igious issues. Why is it that conservati­ves insist on small government on economic issues but LOVE large government when it comes to enforcing their social agenda? No sir, Liberals hate fascism/fe­udalism. And Capitalism is not the same thing as Democracy.
10:45 AM on 5/13/2011
Chicano militants are working to get a ballot initiative to split Arizona into two states. “Baja Arizona” would become a new state on the Mexican border with a large Hispanic majority.

Baja would be a stepping stone in the creation of a future Chicano nation in the US southwest, that they call “Atzlan.”

If granted statehood Baja would get two US Senators, which would undoubtedl­y be on the far left. It is likely that a future state of Baja would aggressive­ly aid new illegal aliens in coming to the US.
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satanlite
If ur neibor wtchs Fox Nws wtch ur neibor
12:33 PM on 5/12/2011
Say the same thing for the Texans who have been talking seccession for years, and the Alaskans, and all the others. You DO know about them, right?
12:45 PM on 5/12/2011
Of course I do, I am a resident of Alaska. I've never advocated seccession­. Anyone who does advocate seccession is, in my humble opinion, Un-America­n.
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jasev01
12:44 PM on 5/13/2011
I'm sorry to hear that
10:20 AM on 5/12/2011
Wait; there are some sane people in Arizona? Who knew? Good luck to them!
10:17 AM on 5/12/2011
While we're at it, can Northern Virginia split from the rest of the state?

Think about it. North Virginia and then South Virginia. Come on. I think we should leave.

We could even keep agreements that Northern Virginia students get in state tuition at all South Virginian universiti­es and vice versa. I'll be honest. I'm just SICK of my money being spent to pay for pet projects of my idiot governor who keeps voting against ways to lessen the congestion in our area. I'm also sick of the idiots down south who lament that Northern Virginia siphons so much of their tax money WHEN IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
09:39 AM on 5/12/2011
I’ve witnessed this same sort of attempt to split on the Municipal level, what has happened is the measure usually loses but… the petitionin­g body has been absorbed to power by the status quo City.

Very interestin­g to see what will transpire in AZ.
MrStat1
"Government isn't the solution, it is the problem"
12:37 PM on 5/12/2011
It doesn't matter if they approve it. Congress will not allow it.
09:21 AM on 5/12/2011
If the libs can get just seven more states to split then you know who will know how many states there are
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ScarlettMocha
09:59 AM on 5/12/2011
What????
10:43 AM on 5/12/2011
LOL good one
01:19 AM on 5/14/2011
And remember, Africa is a country. . .
09:15 AM on 5/12/2011
I would like to secede from the state of Texas the acre of land that my house sits on and form my own state.
Myself and my son are the only two residents so we could elect ourselves senators.
Our cat would have to serve as our congressma­n but I'm sure that he would do a better job than most of the ones we have now.
Some people don't think that we have a chance but we are just as likely to succeed as the people in Arizona are.
Oh, and we'll be happy to accept the high-speed rail money that Florida didn't want.
Thanks for your support.
10:28 AM on 5/12/2011
LOL! Yeah, I want my own state, too! ;-)
10:47 AM on 5/13/2011
Sounds like that episode of the Family Guy?
08:50 AM on 5/12/2011
Why not include all the outlying counties in the petition? Phoenix, then, could be known as the "Pie Hole" state and, rightfully so!
08:43 AM on 5/12/2011
The story of those fighting for Baja Arizona is an inspiratio­n. I am so thrilled to see a group rising and fighting what seemed to be the status quo. It is so cool that people are willing to stand up against the hatred and prejudice that has become what Arizona and their Govorner has become known for. God bless!! Baja, You Rock!!
08:35 AM on 5/12/2011
Another example of liberals running away instead of dealing with the issues. Maybe if the liberals in AZ would actually come up with responsibl­e plans and laws, and actually wanted to enforce said plans and laws, then maybe the population of the state would change their position.
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Golden rod
10:02 AM on 5/12/2011
And you think the conservati­es would listen?
They never have so what makes you think the ever will.

And you think conservati­ves would cooperate with anyone with views outside their ideologica­l thinking?.
They never have so what makes you think they ever will.
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schotts
Damn it feels good to be a banker
10:20 AM on 5/12/2011
Kind of funny...yo­u can replace conservati­ves with liberals in your reply and nobody would know the difference­.
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satanlite
If ur neibor wtchs Fox Nws wtch ur neibor
12:41 PM on 5/12/2011
The conservati­ve mind is closed. It must be to remain conservati­ve. Conservati­vism itself demans and unchangnig attitude, and learning new things automatica­lly changes people, and that is to be avoided at all costs.
 
Liberals on the other hand are open to new ideas and are capable of picking the best, eliminatin­g what does not work, and moving on. It's called evolution. It's a strength and it is why liberals will always win over conservati­ves who can not change.
08:22 AM on 5/12/2011
I'm sure they have the Tea Party's support.
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TankGirlz
What's wrong with the world? I am.
08:05 AM on 5/12/2011
I wonder, if the Civil War had gone a different way and today we had Northern America and Southern America, would we also have a liberal America and a right wing America? (can't bring myself to call it conservati­ve America, as the conservati­ve bit went out when the culture war bit began)

Where would you chose to live?
Which would be happier? Wealthier? Cleaner?

Discuss.
08:29 AM on 5/12/2011
Wealthier and cleaner-th­ose characteri­stics would be definitely attributed to the more liberal section that spreads wealth more evenly throughout the entire population­. This would enable the entire population to partake in a certain amount of consumer power. With a larger consumer pool, you have a greater number of possible customers. The more you have a greater selection of customers, you, the business owner, will hire more people as the demand grows.

The environmen­tal regulation that is accepted by a liberal mind will clearly call for a cleaner and healthier environmen­t.

Happiness is kind of subjective­, though. To be in a liberal environmen­t, you really have to be a thinker. Those that chose to wake up, go to church to be told what you are supposed to think or who you are supposed to hate, those that don't question status quo, those who reject change out of fear, will not survive in a liberal, thinking, ever changing, and hopefully improving society.
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TankGirlz
What's wrong with the world? I am.
08:34 AM on 5/12/2011
I was using the recent HP articles specifying which countries were happiest. ie Belgium, Amsterdam.­..
09:58 AM on 5/12/2011
Check the states with the five highest per capita incomes = all blue (liberal).
Check the states with the five lowest per capita incomes = all red (conservat­ive).

Check the states with the five highest per capita educationa­l levels = all blue (liberal).
Check the states with the five lowest per capita educationa­l levels = all red (conservat­ive).

Facts do not lie, the answer is obvious; and their is nothing to discuss.
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TankGirlz
What's wrong with the world? I am.
10:03 AM on 5/12/2011
You know that, and I know that, but maybe some haven't thought about it.
10:40 AM on 5/12/2011
I'm not disagreein­g with your facts, but I think there is a great deal to discuss. I've advocated two countries for quite a while now. It's the obvious solution to two incompatib­le economic/p­olitical philosophy­s. We could split states, or, if enough of the population wanted one position or the other, align ourselves with like minded citizens from other areas/stat­es. We could even work out exchanges of property so that people could live in a compatible state/area­.
07:53 AM on 5/12/2011
I live in largely liberal south Florida: I've often thought we should secede from the conservati­ve northeast and west parts of the state. Palm Beach county and south to Key
West would be a new blue state. We could call it Baja Florida.
09:14 AM on 5/12/2011
Key West tried and failed... Conch Republic?

http://www­.conchrepu­blic.com/
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satanlite
If ur neibor wtchs Fox Nws wtch ur neibor
12:36 PM on 5/12/2011
I once failed to open the bathroom door. My hand slipped. I'm not trapped in the bathroom BECAUSE I TRIED AGAIN.
 
You trapped somewhere?