latimes.com — President Obama addresses the nation Wednesday night on foreign policy in Afghanistan, but his political future more likely rests with how he handles domestic issues such as the economy. And in that arena, the latest Bloomberg News poll offers little comfort for the man seeking his second term.
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davidtc3 days ago
These polls are useless for either side. It is too early to mean anything at all. There is still almost 1.5 years to go before the elections and not a single person will remember this poll, the poll from 2 weeks ago or the poll in 2 weeks that all show different results.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
they show trends.......
kyomagi3 days ago
Do they also show trends of republican failure?
pc253 days agoSubmitter
what don't you understand about shifting voter trends.....
kyomagi3 days ago
what does that have to with my statement? No answer so you ask a question to a question. Nice try but people are not as dumb as you
DonnieS13 days ago
Wow, you sure demonstrate the intelligence of an Obamoron. He answered your question, but you're to stupid to recognize the response.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
what does that have to with my statement?
DUUUUUHHHHHHHHH!
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
here ya go, pc:
The Daily Graphic: George W. Bush Approval Rating Over Eight Years
http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2009/02/08/the-daily-graphic-george-w-bush-approval-rating-over-eight-years/
pc252 days agoSubmitter
haven't you heard you elected Obama he's been in coming up on 4 years now.
superkendall3 days ago
They did in the past. Now they show trends of Democratic failures.
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
Here's some perspective for ya, supe. ;-P
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
pc252 days agoSubmitter
simply amazing......you post something Obama is almost in a vertical plumge.....no slope on that curve after 2 and 1/2 years.....LMAO
Closed Account3 days ago
Trends are useless until there is an ACTUAL opponent. Crap like "If the Republican nominee is (insert several different names here)" who would you vote for does not reflect anything.
Regardless, trends are useless this early since A LOT can and will happen between now and next November. Whether it is better or worse, one thing is for sure..the economy won't be the same as it is now. That will have a far greater influence than trends.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
Trends are useless until there is an ACTUAL opponent.
tell that to the millions unemployed, and the millions underemployed
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
Glad you brought up unemployment, pc. Did some homework for ya (since your Google only seems to be able to find only anti-left info. ;-P
Which Political Party Has Presided Over the Highest Unemployment Rates Since 1948?
http://www.davemanuel.com/2010/02/20/are-there-higher-unemployment-rates-when-republicans-or-democrats-are-in-office/
pc252 days agoSubmitter
Bush had 4.5% unemployment considered FUll employment Obama's was up to 10.1 Obama is off the chart.....
FTA
So, according to the data from BLS.gov, the national unemployment rate has been, on average, 0.64% higher when a Republican has been occupying the White House.
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
Remember This? Predictions That Bush Would Leave Office With a 45% Approval Rating?
Back in January some of George W. Bush's "fans" predicted that this "legacy year" would be full of "happy days" for ol' George as he locked in his "achievements on the domestic front." (If destroying the economy is what they meant by locking in his "achievements on the domestic front," I'd say they did a great job.) His "fans" also predicted "a remarkable poll shift to about 45% favorable by the time he leaves office next year."
Poor guys. Delusional to the end. The reality? "Just 18% say they are going to miss [Bush] when he is gone."
December 11, 2008
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/12/11/remember_this_predictions_that_bush_would_leave_office_with_a_45_approval_rating.php
pc252 days agoSubmitter
spin away bud.....we're talking about the Wunderkid Obama. The MSM continues to shill for him and kool aid drinkers like yourself continue to buy it. If the media was HONEST and called him on his record his approval ratings would be in the 20's right now. The chart you posted above from the wsj on approval show him in a free fall. The slope on that graph of Obama's is almost perpendicular.
rednip23 hr 51 min ago
Oddly, a couple of polls showing the President is a couple of points down in opinion polls is significant, but seven quarters of positive GDP would seem to be immaterial.
It's morning in America, go grab a cup of coffee and be ready to work, because the early bird truly does catch them worm.
monvalley3 days ago
"The are only useful when they should the opposition is losing, right?
davidtc2 days ago
I have no clue if you are trying to quote me or not.
I have no clue what you are trying to say with all that gibberish.
anub1s3 days ago
Going to be honest here, I'm no Obama fan, but I'm certainly not a fan of ANY of the republican candidates, save maybe, MAYBE Ron Paul. Most of what I'm seeing in the Republican ticket is a result of misplaced anger and misdirection pandering to a misdirected voter base. What I respect of Ron Paul is he actually puts his money where his mouth is and follows through with things. Obama tried on some issues, but pussied out on a lot as well. What the nation really needs is a truely OBJECTIVE candidate who has actual convictions and can follow through with what they promise. Those who value human life, who do not abandon those who are victims of circumstance or situation.
I want a fresh face in office, but what the Republican party is collectively talking about, is national suicide. There is a lot wrong with the Democrats, but I find FAR less fault with them than I do Republicans at this point. The main problem that we have here, though, is that Democrats aren't actually sticking with Democrat policy. If we had an ACTUAL Democrat in office, I guarantee things would have been different by now. And don't give me that Socialism bulls**t you lunatic fringe nutjobs, Obama is far more Republican than he is Democrat.
Republicans, it's your duty to show us independants you have someone worth voting for, if you don't, I can only hope that people use their brain in voting and not just vote to get a fresh face in office.
asielen3 days ago
That you for your sanity.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
I have to digg you for your honesty
Closed Account3 days ago
Ron Paul is not really a candidate. He is the comic relief. Just like 2008.
laborer3 days ago
Says the guy who voted for 'Bush, part II'.
superkendall3 days ago
Republicans are trying to PREVENT national suicide. To vote Obama AGAIN is to go for the Kevorkian route. He'll make it sound pleasant but in the end all will perish (well of course not all, but it will not be good).Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
monvalley3 days ago
You are no more ;an idependent that a duck is a goose.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
You are no more ;an idependent that a duck is a goose.
geez because an Independent made up his mind to go the other way, this election. Hey ace he helped get Obama elected the last time. LOL
mattster673 days ago
popularity still at 50 percent, still has tons of $, still has both liberal coasts locked up...he will be tough to beat
pc253 days agoSubmitter
he is bleeding independents, that the crux of the situation. He has also lost recent college graduates. They will vote Republican of stay home.
stabsteer3 days ago
College graduates hardly even vote Republican. Unless you're a multi-millionaire, white trash, pro-life or just plain stupid, I honesty don't know why anyone would...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
when you have 100k in tuition bills and graduate to no jobs you vote Republican geez it's 1:30 in the morning and you are going to make me post this damn link
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2011/05/20/escalating-trend-obama-losing-support-from-unemployed-college-grads-younger-voters-turning-from-democrat-party/
Escalating Trend: Obama Losing Support from Unemployed College Grads, Younger Voters Turning from Democrat Party
A very large proportion of recent university graduates have soured on President Barack Obama, and many will vote GOP or stay at home in the 2012 election, according to two new surveys of younger voters.
“These rock-solid Obama constituents are free-agents,” said Kellyanne Conway, president of The Polling Company, based in Washington, D.C. She recently completed a large survey of college grads, and “they’re shopping around, considering their options, [and] a fair number will stay at home and sit it out,” she said.
The scope of this disengagement from Obama is suggested by an informal survey of 500 post-grads by Joe Maddalone, founder of Maddalone Global Strategies. Of his sample, 93 percent are aged between 22 and 28, 67 percent are male and 83 percent voted for Obama in 2008. But only 27 percent are committed to voting for Obama again,
D1gst1llsux3 days ago
The opinions of 500 college grads is hardly indicative of anything.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
it's a poll......if you had one with 500 college studemts in love with Obama you would post it. What don't you get? Tens of thousands of college students have graduated to no, or underpaying jobs.
frumbler2 days ago
"fair number will sit it out" = idiots, no wonder they can't find a job.
"only 27 percent are committed to voting for Obama again".... so how many are committed to voting GOP? Funny how that's not mentioned.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
"fair number will sit it out" = idiots, no wonder they can't find a job.
there are no jobs what dont you get.
you go into a hissy fit because unlike a total like you people see the writing on the wall and are not swayed by the rhetoric coming out of the MSM or the Democrats. They have decided to do something about it.
you're an idiot
frumbler2 days ago
First comment in the link you provided
The “informal survey” carried out by “Maddalone Global Strategies” (a tiny consultancy without a proper website run by a young Republican) involved candidates Joe Maddalone personally recruited at his conferences in New York. That is not in any way a legitimate or meaningful poll. It’s not even, really, a “poll”.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
its called full disclosure, and meanwhile frugal is a conservative website making that disclosure. More honesty than the crap, turd liberals blogs that you guys post from. You are such a mensa boy check out Maddalone Global Strategies. He has a website. A primitive one. It works it has links. It is one of those sites you know was done on a bdget and they are a start up compant. It looks like he is one of those college grads who cannot find a job so he is starting is own consulting business. It's a talent recruitment business. Who better to have his pulse on the feelings of his fellow college graduates. He is specific is his assertion they will vote Republican or sit out......83% of 500 students/
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
You mean the college students whose votes the sleazy GOP is desperately trying to suppress? Oh...Yeah. Kinda makes things hard to measure, huh? ;-P
pc252 days agoSubmitter
forever the clueless shill.....I mean the college kids who now can not find jobs since Obama was elected. I don't know what rock you live under in what city but in NYC and surroundings it is pretty bad.
mattster673 days ago
independents are mushy though....they can flip back to him if they don't like R alternative...I hope you are right....in more ways than one....lol
pc253 days agoSubmitter
not with over 9% unemployment, a double dip staring us in the face, high food prices, high energy costs, and unstable foreign affairs.
The Dow has lost all of its gains 7 weeks in a row it is down.
D1gst1llsux3 days ago
All of those negative factors are or were caused by Republican malfeasance. Hopefully our young voters will realize this and come to their senses.
Closed Account2 days ago
hopefully voters are ignorant enough to believe Obama's "it not my fault" campaign
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
Again, none of it's Bush's fault---except for that awesome job he did of killing Bin Laden from the safety of his retirement home. ;-P
pc252 days agoSubmitter
yeah he put the intelligence network in place to enable the clueless one to finish the job. Meanwhile if Obama didn't keep the Patriot Act, communications intercepts, rendition, interrogation and everything else he raliled about during the campaign they would have never gotten Bin Laden. He also railed about the CIA's Pakistan killer drone program and the liberals were whining and the term war criminal was being bandied about. Enter Obama.......SILENCE>....who the hell are you kidding......Time to disconnect yourself from Obama's Matrix coppertop
pc252 days agoSubmitter
from CBS not exactly a bastion of conservative support
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001588-503544.html
Half of Americans Blame Obama for Economy, Poll Shows
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001588-503544.html#ixzz1Q7XoAp00
As many as 26 percent of Americans say President Obama deserves a "great deal" of blame for the nation's economic problems, a new USA Today/ Gallup poll finds. That's nearly twice as many people who thought so last summer. Half of Americans say he deserves at least a moderate amount of blame.
The vast majority of Americans polled -- 93 percent -- said the economy would be a very important issue for them in the midterm elections. With so many worried about unemployment and other economic indicators, Mr. Obama will travel to Charlotte, North Carolina, on Friday to visit a factory and hold a town hall meeting about the economy.
here's another poll
http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/82-see-obamas-policies-as-somewhat.html
82% See Obama’s Policies As “Somewhat,” “Mainly,” or “Solely” Responsible For Economic Mess
to be fair Pres Bush gets blame in this poll also, however when you have 82% of the people hold the incumbent President at least partially responsible for the economy you have a problem. The last 6 years of the Democrats whining "Blame It On Bush" has worn thin. It has lost its effectiveness and people are starting to FINALLY realize the complicity the Democrats have in the economic failure in light of the revelations of the contribution oif sub prime mortgages to the meltdown. The Democrats are tied at the hip to those.
and when the President issues a ludicrous statement that ATM's are the blame for high unemployment you have a statement. ATM's have been around for decard. His statement is the modern day equivilent of the "dog ate my homework'
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/06/14/obama-atms-to-blame-for-high-unemployment/
pc252 days agoSubmitter
All of those negative factors are or were caused by Republican malfeasance. Hopefully our young voters will realize this and come to their senses.
Really everyone of those Wall Street "Republicans" seemed to find their way into Obama's cabinet and administration.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13208
AntiKoolaid2 days ago
Keep dreaming, pc. Cons may quickly spread their legs for their next tax cut but decent Americans haven't forgotten that Bush FAILED to get Bin Laden before slithering off into the sunset and they haven't forgotten the big pile of horsesh*t he left in the Oval Office as a welcome present to President Obama. ;-P
pc252 days agoSubmitter
Cons may quickly spread their legs for their next tax cut but decent Americans haven't forgotten that Bush FAILED to get Bin Laden
his Bin Laden bounce is gone......that is why against the advice of his commanders and advisers in his administration he is going to cut 33,000 troops. This is how much people are going to remember Bin Laden
Obama's Choice: A Partial Exit, With Reelection in Mind
http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/obama-s-choice-a-partial-exit-with-reelection-in-mind-20110622
Don't kid yourself. President Obama’s decision to withdraw 33,000 troops from Afghanistan before he stands for reelection is not driven by the United States’ “position of strength” in the war zone as much as it is by grim economic and political realities at home.
ageofknowledge3 days ago
If he would just stop forcing the homosexual agenda on the people using the power of government and trying to get amnesty, he would go a lot farther. Those two issues are sticking in the craw of many voters.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
seems to me those were some of the issues he was elected on......
pc252 days agoSubmitter
seems to me those were some of the issues he was elected on......
pc252 days agoSubmitter
seems to me those were some of the issues he was elected on......
ageofknowledge2 days ago
He wasn't elected to cram homosexuality down the throats of Americans pc25 nor seek full amnesty for every illegal that broke into the country. That's a really skewed spin you put on things there. Are you the man or the woman in the arrangement?
pc252 days agoSubmitter
you knew what you were getting when you pulled the lever. He was up front about his positions.
ronaldm1311 day 11 min ago
I think the homosexual agenda is the last thing 14 million unemployed Americans are thinking about right now.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
popularity and job approval are 2 different things. He is a likeable person
however he is incompetent.
niradg3 days ago
"Those are the worst numbers since Ronald Reagan was president, according to other polls." And we all know how that reelection campaign turned out...
dunsuivinish3 days ago
I hope he gets in again.
laborer3 days ago
Bush?
pc252 days agoSubmitter
be careful about what you wish/hope for
comgen2 days ago
FTA: "The Bloomberg poll of 1,000 adults was conducted by Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa, firm. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points."
"By 44% to 34% , those surveyed by Bloomberg said they were worse off than when Obama took office. Only 23% of those surveyed said they saw signs of improvement on the economy, while two-thirds said they believed the country was on the wrong track. Those are the worst numbers since Ronald Reagan was president, according to other polls."
44% / 34% of the 1,000 random US adults contacted out of:
Voting-Eligible Population: roughly 213,231,835mil
Total USA population 311,599,289mil (over 18 roughly 75.7% http://goo.gl/vIBy )
How polls work: http://goo.gl/53mAI
stabsteer2 days ago
The facts are in. The rich have gotten tremendously richer while the middle class has gotten poorer. The rich are paying the lowest taxes ever while millions of people are out of work and are loosing their houses. All while taxes are at the lowest in years, despite whatever GOP lies they are telling.
grammerpants3 days ago
The same things were said when Bush was running for reelection. And we all remember how that turned out.
goatheard3 days ago
The republicans have nothing but clowns running and you have to admit that Obama has made housing afordable again.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
tell that to the homeowners that are now in forclosure.
ronaldm1311 day 23 min ago
Sure he has....for Canadians. Because Americans sure as hell can't afford to buy them.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2011/ss_politics0541_05_06.asp
phillyoverclock3 days ago
I don't care what the polls say. He has my vote.
steadward3 days ago
Who can do better? We don't concern ourselves so much about the presidential runners until it comes down to the last few months, but it seems he is the only man who is capable (sane) enough to run your struggled country. I say this with respect and love. (From one of your many canadian cousin's)
theoneken3 days ago
There will be far more Republicans enter the race before 2012. I'm also confident that no one in the race, on either side, is clinically insane. Thanks for your concern though.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
superkendall3 days ago
Who can do better? Literally ANYONE. Yes, even you. Well, probably not you. But anyone else.
I say this with contempt for your goofy understanding of the competence of someone who has shown less competence than president Carter.
monvalley3 days ago
Who can do better.............................Mickey Mouse for one. And if you like him, you can have him.
imayberight83 days ago
Right now, The GOP is doing everything to make Obama look bad, including dragging their feet on any solutions that may create jobs, or lower energy prices or create much needed revenue (like tax the rich, more - or - end oil subsidies). Sabotage, is, in effect, what they are doing to the country, just to attempt to get the President to lose. Explain to me, how I'm wrong. 'Gas prices have been going down, lately....Blame Obama?!?!' I'd like to see that as a newsmax come on line.
Our President is doing a fair and balanced job, seeing to it Bin Ladin got justice, beginning to pull out troops from Afghanistan, some healthcare reforms have had positive results (my 24 yr old daughter has medical insurance while at home, thank you very much), cleaning up GW's mess takes a lot of of time and keeping the country running and safe is a full time job, already, too. So Prez. Obama is doing all right, IMO. I doubt if any return to GOP 'all for the rich tactics' would help the country out of a GOP created hole.
Obama will serve an eight year term, my friends.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Right now, The GOP is doing everything to make Obama look bad, including dragging their feet on any solutions that may create jobs, or lower energy prices or create much needed revenue (like tax the rich, more - or - end oil subsidies).
I have new for you Obama did everything he could do to make Obama look bad
pc253 days agoSubmitter
gee thats news getting late
laborer3 days ago
Pulling troops out = pulling the surge he put in?
pc253 days agoSubmitter
exactly, going to broker a deal with the so called MODERATE Taliban in the hopes of saving his bacon in 2012
Closed Account2 days ago
moderate taliban
pc252 days agoSubmitter
yeah they behead you with a sharp knife.......
DonnieS13 days ago
Obama is a dunce. It takes no effort at all to make him look bad. He is totally responsible for our current economy and unemployment. It is all a result of his incompetence. It has absolutely nothing to do with anyone other than Obama. He is the most incompetent, arrogant, deceitful, and corrupt leader in history. Our economy will recover and jobs will return immediately following the elimination of everything that the Idiot in Chief has done, from Obamacare and the Obamacar to his illegal moratorium on oil drilling. Hopefully, we will be able to return to the honesty, integrity, prosperity and 5% unemployment of President Bush.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skeptictank3 days ago
You know, this is DIGG, some people may not recognize sarcasm.
D1gst1llsux3 days ago
are you kidding? DonnieS1 is one of the Koch brothers.
Closed Account3 days ago
I love your simple mindedness that shows your brain does not actually function.
So...in your delusional world, if oil subsidies were ended, the oil companies would just accept the lost profits and everything would be the same as far as consumers are concerned? Gas prices would stay the same?
Of course not. in the REAL world, which you waved Bye Bye to long ago, gas prices would rise enough to make up for that lost subsidy, which would in turn cause a double dip recession.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skeptictank3 days ago
People laugh but I am firmly convinced that the GOP would sabotage this whole country just to regain power. The Dems may be as as organized as a herd of cats but they are not malicious. The GOP has become anti-humanist, anti-consumer, anti-anyone that's not wealthy or a corporation. They don't even attempt hide their twisted ideology anymore. That is a fact and now I guess I'm a liberal. Not much choice anymore realism=liberalism, surrealism=conservatism. Politics has become a sad affair.
superkendall3 days ago
How did the GOP sabotage the country with the Democrats in total control for years. You may want to look at again if there is sabotage for just where it originated from...
skeptictank3 days ago
Simple, by not paying attention to verb tenses and being ignorant of relativity they can travel freely throughout the space-time continuum altering whatever time line they wish. That's the only logical explanation I can come up with to comprehend Bush's re-election. I still think they WOULD sabotage this country economically to regain power. Power and money are addictions more powerful than any drug and they have no loyalties.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
geez bud the Dems have been in control of BOTH houses since 2008 and EVERYTHING since 2008. When Pelosi assumed the speakership she changed the rules and froze out any and all input from the GOP on any and all legisaltion. The Dems rode roughshod over the GOP and passed EVERYTHING they wanted......time to put down the kool aid
monvalley3 days ago
obama has already sabotaged the country, can't you feel it?
superkendall3 days ago
Obama had nearly two YEARS with full control over EVERYTHING. If he couldn't make himself look good with that level of control how can you blame REPUBLICANS? There was a reason lots of Democrats were voted out after years of total and complete Democratic control.
monvalley3 days ago
obama doesn't need any help from Republicans to look bad, he is doing a good job all by himself. He owns the presidency, the Senate and did own the House, and you can still blame the opposition? Food stamps up, unemployment up, debt up, prices up (including gas), housing prices down, real pay down, feel good factor down. All things being equal he has done a terrible job.
monvalley3 days ago
Oh, and I forgot the new war he has us in; but I guess the Republicans forced him into it.
Closed Account2 days ago
yes it was Bush that did it... wait new studies show that voters no longer respond to blaming Bush for everything, Damn it.
it was the Koch Brothers they have secret mind control powers and little green rings from outer space that can... well you will just have to see the movie. anyway it is their fault for everything and you can only defeat them with an super extra ration of Hope and change
pc252 days agoSubmitter
actually it was his masters at the UN........
pc252 days agoSubmitter
so jonathon fess up now and tell us how ludes did you down last night,
gkiltz3 days ago
Once the public really SEES the GOP line up, it will get a lot better!
pc252 days agoSubmitter
the public has already seen the GOP lineup
stabsteer3 days ago
For me he's the lesser of two evils...there's no way in hell I'm voting for some doughebag Republican.
superkendall3 days ago
Given there's not even a Republican candidate you have shown yourself to be the most contemptible of voters, someone who only votes by party without considering anything else.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
there's no way in hell I'm voting for some doughebag Republican.
why not you already voted for some DOOOOOOOOOOOOSH democrat.
ageofknowledge2 days ago
But you are a douchbag. Maybe just a little different kind is all?
pc252 days agoSubmitter
you voted for a DOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!
sandylanders2 days ago
We are heading toward a double dip and Obama is desperate. The economy is in the crapper. He just released oil from the SPR in a desperate attempt but we had lower oil prices at the peak of lay offs. This idiot does not understand that unleashing energy companies and building more refineries are the keys to jobs. Not rhetoric about killing the coal industry or "green jobs" which have produced no net gains in energy supply or jobs.
The economy is an anvil around the neck of Democrats and Obama and the electorate will throw it over board dragging Obama and his party into the depths of political ruin.
I think its time for another huzza for Obama: Barack Hussein Obama, mmm, mmm, mmm.
ronaldm1312 days ago
Funny you mention "green jobs".
http://digg.com/story/r/new_study_finds_five_real_jobs_lost_for_each_green_job_government_subsidizes_mark_tapscott_beltway_confidential_washington_examiner
pc252 days agoSubmitter
Van Jones was given 60 billion for green jobs and in a Newsweek article the only green jobs he was talking about was a workshop for weatherization workers that was heavily attended. You can go to any Loews or Home Depot on a weekend and get the same advice. Simply amasing.
dirtyfries3 days ago
Agreed. The country is in a pretty deep hole.
I imagine most of the comments here will stem from whether or not he's responsible, but frankly when it comes to the election I don't think that matters. What matters is what people perceive is the reason.
It's fair to say Obama has been successful in some areas and not in others. What's left to be seen is if the public feels the direction will ultimately result in success or they feel someone else will take it a better direction.
laborer3 days ago
Its not a question of whether or not he is "responsible".
Its question of whether or not he is any different than the idiots who got us here, Bush and the Neocons.
As can be judged from his actions, there is almost no real difference to speak of. Just a neocon dressed up in "liberal" clothing.
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Two decade long wars still going, increased activity in Pakistan, new excursions in Libya, multiple Wall Street appointees, Guantanamo's prisoners still without fair trial, new mandatory-corporate healthcare bill. Nothing "progressive" about any of that.
Obama = BushComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Its not a question of whether or not he is "responsible".
way to go ace.......you know he is responsible otherwise you would not have prefaced your state trying to deflect the blame away from Obama
the old BIOB syndrome
theoneken3 days ago
Neocons are liberals in a sense, hence the prefix 'neo'. They just tend to be much tougher on foreign policy, but have the same big-government aims. Hence the tea-party backlash against both Obama and traditional (Bush-like) Republicans.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
YachtRokr3 days ago
What?!!! Talk about stretching BS...
"Neo" refers to NEW (or modernized), NOT liberal.
Neo-Con means new/modern conservative. By the way, the Tea Party is another form of modern conservatism. It just happens to be right-wing fascism.
For the record, the neo-con "albatross" will always belong around Republican necks. As for having a big government agenda, how do you explain the actions of Republican governors across the country (e.g., Scott Walker) who use the government against the people? Their brand of fascism is the WORST type of big government imaginable.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
dissention in the ranks of the Obots
youareretarded3 days ago
Not everyone can be sheep like you and the right.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
said the sheep who let the MSM control his mind in 2008. Hey bro how did being told for whom to vote for work out for the country
laborer3 days ago
Tea party may be corporate fascists. I dont know, Ive never been to a Tea Party rally.
Libertarians, on the other hand, are the antithesis of the word 'fascism'. It prescribes to government only the functions of protecting individual rights, and therefore has no platform to set up a military state.
Difficult to be tyrannical with tools that dont exist.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptor2 days ago
For what it's worth, it's not tools that define tyranny, but behavior (i.e., imposing minority ideological views on a majority which opposes them).
bagos13 days ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Funny enough, the roots of neoconservatives were disenfanchised Democrats.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Bill Kriltols father for one......
eraptor2 days ago
Wikipedia? Seriously?
That's the source you want us to rely on for objective truth?
bagos12 days ago
Did you find fault with what was there? Wiki is just a tool, it gathers different bits of informatiom from different sources.....and it's not always perfect, but you can check the links out.
Anyway, neoconservatives were once democracts, that is a fact.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
Bill Kristols father was the founder
superkendall3 days ago
The Tea Party is exactly opposite to Fascism, because Fascists want large governments in order to control people. The explicit and main aim of the Tea Party is simple; smaller federal government and less spending. Neither of those goals are compatible with Fascism.
eraptor2 days ago
Merriam-Webster defines fascism as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".
It also defines it as "a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control" (this segment of the definition usually applies to it's early rise).
While it may be lost on you, this behavior can easily be attributed to BOTH Republicans and the Tea Party, but NOT Democrat's. Congressional Republicans and the newly elected Republican governors (e.g., Scott Walker; R-WI) have proven this EVERY day since being elected to office.
82eightytwo3 days ago
"The radicalism called the 'New Left' that defined and dominated the `60s was intolerable to not only conservatives, but it was too much f/certain kinds of liberals as well: Dissenting libs of this period represented a wide spectrum, incl'g frmr communists, socialists, Old Leftists, New Dealers, left-liberals, as well as garden-variety libs. These abandoned—largely or entirely—doctrinaire socialism . . . w/o having wholly sloughed off their revolutionary instincts & statist assumptions and certainly w/o having replaced them w/traditionally Rightist ones. They called themselves—and were soon called by everyone else—the 'neo-conservatives,' although the term 'neo-liberals' would have suited them just as well, as Wm Kristol, ed of the `Weekly Standard,´ recently admitted.
"In the main, they were and are northeastern academics, opinion journalists, & policy experts associated w/various think tanks & similar institutes, as well as well-regarded scholars and well-placed writers to effect the fusion of responsible liberalism w/conservatism to create (what they regard) an updated & enlightened version of the traditional variety that would, in time, crowd out the old conservatism fr/the public square." — Chilton Williamson, Jr The Conservative Bookshelf
pc252 days agoSubmitter
"The radicalism called the 'New Left' that defined and dominated the `60s was intolerable to not only conservatives, but it was too much f/certain kinds of liberals as well:
and 40 years later they assumed power in politics and business.......the last great stand of the radical left before its extinction
eraptor3 days ago
Obama wouldn't be in for a steep climb if were more actively engaged in creating jobs or reforming trade as he promised to do when he originally ran for office.
Negligence is not a direction. Obama has more economic options at his disposal than he readily admits OR uses.
He shouldn't mistake the American people's lack of choice for a genuine political strategy. It isn't and we'll all pay a heavy price if he and the private sector don't get off their collective ass with jobs. If the U.S. blows up (politically speaking), it will take the global economy and those multinational profits with it.
If Republicans think this gives them an opening, they'll be sadly disappointed. We know what you've done and haven't forgotten.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Obama wouldn't be in for a steep climb if were more actively engaged in creating jobs or reforming trade as he promised to do when he originally ran for office.
what didn;t anyone get in 2008? he had ZERO accomplishments. He never ran anything other than Annenberg with Ayers and they ran it into the ground
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/
Obama, Ayers, and the Annenberg Challenge Cover-Up
Barack Obama and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers have worked closely together on education reform since 1995, and possibly since 1987. Obama has obfuscated and minimized this association in his public statements and on his website. Why the cover-up? We don’t know, since we aren’t sure what is being concealed.
It’s becoming known as the Annenberg Challenge cover-up and it’s become big news since the McCain campaign highlighted it in a press release late Wednesday.
In the past few days, Stanley Kurtz of the National Review has been trying to get access to the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education reform group co-founded by Bill Ayers in 1995 and chaired by Barack Obama from 1995 to 1999.
kyomagi3 days ago
old news is old
pc253 days agoSubmitter
not at all, it goes to PROVE that the media did not vet this guy properly, it underscores his lack of qualifications to hold the office, and what it's going to do is marginalize the MSM support for him in the coming election. Everything conservatives said about his leadership, experience and qualifications in 2008 has come to fruition.
His failures go all the way back to when he was a state senator in the early 1990. Spin away broComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
earth to kyomagi...........Obama is a creation of the Media, and you bought it.
monvalley3 days ago
Instead of looking for poop in Sarah Palins e-mails (non-candidate) let's look at obama's who is not a private citizen.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
easy now you are going to overload their MSM influenced/controlled minds. They are all pod people
eraptor2 days ago
Do you honestly think those pathetic efforts to link Annenberg/Ayers to Obama have any credibility? Not by a long shot. Give it up, pal. It's an irrelevant and pathetic character assassination ploy, nothing more.
As for accomplishing anything prior to being elected, who cares? Abraham Lincoln's record wasn't much better. Obama KNOWS what to do, he simply lacks the will and fortitude to implement it as FDR did. Would McCain have done a better job with our economy? NO! McCain is clueless on economic matters and would have nominated the same scum to run our economy that destroyed it. At the very least, Obama succeeded in killing Osama bin Laden, while Dubya closed down the CIA unit charged with hunting for him.
I may have some bones to pick with the President over his negligent handling of the economy, but it doesn't compare to the abject irresponsibility, corruption and incompetence that permeates the Republican/Tea Parties. If you think Obama's missteps give your boys an opening with the country, you're about to be sadly disappointed. We are paying CLOSE attention to EVERYTHING Congressional/State Republicans are doing TO the country.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
Do you honestly think those pathetic efforts to link Annenberg/Ayers to Obama have any credibility? Not by a long shot. Give it up, pal.
Hey hot shot nice job debunking the information in the article. Another statement by a liberal with no facts to back it up. Again.
As for accomplishing anything prior to being elected, who cares? Abraham Lincoln's record wasn't much better. Obama KNOWS what to do, he simply lacks the will and fortitude to implement it as FDR did.
OMG you are truly lost and delusional. Thats dereliction of of his responsibilities as President of the US. That's an impeachable offense
Your own words, listen to yourself
I may have some bones to pick with the President over his negligent handling of the economy,
Earth to eraptor, the tea party is not the President of the US they are not the ones who negligently handled the economy. The guy you are trying ( and I say you are not doing to stellar a job) to defend.
We are paying CLOSE attention to EVERYTHING Congressional/State Republicans are doing TO the country.
geez put down that Federal Agent badge you just found in your box of Cracker Jacks. It is not real.
eraptor2 days ago
As I've told several rightards on Digg, disagreeing with your political opinions does NOT make me your ideological polar opposite.
If Obama's negligence is an impeachable offense, Dubya's negligence would have led to his execution as a traitor. By the way, Obama's ineffectiveness is due in no small part to Republican/Teabagger stonewalling and legislative obstruction. At a time of economic turmoil, that amounts to sedition and treason and we once executed people for THAT BS.
I don't need to defend the President for his mistakes. They aren't impeachable offenses. Since I'm a political independent, I'm not bound by ideological insanity on EITHER end of the political spectrum. I simply call it as I see it. The beauty of political independence is that it doesn't prevent one from expressing the truth to protect a flawed ideological view.
I realize the Tea Party is not the President, but the economic policies you champion would lead to disastrous economic consequences if implemented.
As for ignoring Congressional actions, ignorance is not a virtue, moron. We all recognize why Teabaggers, like yourself, would prefer we ignored conservative legislative initiatives. You can't ram your political agenda down the country's throat otherwise.
pc251 day 23 hr agoSubmitter
If Obama's negligence is an impeachable offense
he makes the case more and more each day......we just had a border incursion by Mexican troops....this is a lax and incompetent administration.
eraptor19 hr 52 min ago
You won't find any disagreement from me on the dangers of Mexican border incursions. Since those troops are working for the drug cartels, I would have no problem either arresting or shooting them on sight.
As for criticizing Obama's negligence, I have. However, it pales in comparison to Dubya's, HW's or Reagan's negligence. Hell, I'd venture to guess that Obama has been one of the most effective conservative president's this country has had in a long time. You'll notice I didn't say "best"...
rw2y3 days ago
Of the key voting bloc of independents, fewer than one in four — 23% — said they would support Obama’s reelection while 36% said they wanted a fresh face.
Hopfully GOP will nominate someone who can appeal to this critical group of voters
laborer3 days ago
Hopefully they will get the picture and put Ron Paul against W. Bush Jr [Obama].
No more Neocons in the White House, even if they have a (D) next to their name.
Schweppesale23 days ago
We can only hope.
If Ron Paul is not on the Republican ballad I'm sure as f-k not voting.
laborer3 days ago
Seems there are some coward (D) shills on here. Judging by the down votes, a lot of self-conscious "liberals". Progressives remember Bush.
Does it get to you guys [the downvoters] that Obama is just the logical progression of Bush? I would be pretty angry if I had expected real change too.
superkendall3 days ago
The main tool of the liberal is the tool of silencing opponents; whatever form that takes.
ncmusic2 days ago
Blah blah blah liberal blah blah. Can you translate your blathering into something true that makes sense?
pc252 days agoSubmitter
he just did, you are so stupid you dont realize it. Alinsky attacks.......
garryfields3 days ago
Like who? I can't think of a single GOP potential who could possibly attract enough independent voters to win. Except maybe Huntsman, but that's stretching things considerably.
Paul also seems relatively likely, but I don't think his rigidly libertarian (oxymoron much) views are going to sit well with a lot of people.
quirkopatra3 days ago
Christie.
garryfields3 days ago
Dugg for the hilarious joke!
superkendall3 days ago
Rick Perry would do quite well. You also underestimate the draw of some of the others running once records are examined. Pawlenty is pretty appealing to independents as well.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
I like Perry. The only problem with Perry is that the MSM would have a field day with him being another TEXAS Gov.
nixonreaganman2 days ago
The lefty media will make a headline out of Perry's preference for boxers over briefs if they think it will tarnish him. I'm not too concerned with it. Their viewer ratings are tanking month by month as more Americans are tuning out their biased disinformation.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
no doubt.......my brother lives in Texas. He says Perry has grown on him over the years. Texas is doing well. They would just continuously try to tie him to Bush....another drawling, Christian Conservative......
laborer3 days ago
Two decade long wars still going, increased activity in Pakistan, new excursions in Libya, multiple Wall Street appointees, Guantanamo's prisoners still without fair trial, new mandatory-corporate healthcare bill.
Lets not forget about the extension of the PATRIOT Act, the civil liberty infringing piece of legislation introduced by Bush.
Or how about the fact that Obama's policies have led to month after month of more people leaving the job market than entering it.
How about the near death of NASA, but the continued blooming of the defense budget.
Obama = Bush
pc253 days agoSubmitter
how's that change doing bud.
laborer3 days ago
Are you dense, or just sarcastic?
Im quite clearly against Obama and Bush. If you follow me at all here on Digg, youll see that I constantly lambast our stagnant two party system.
superkendall3 days ago
You are against Obama NOW.
Bet you voted him in.
Rube.
laborer2 days ago
No. I didnt.
I backed Nader. Who, by the way, supports Ron Paul.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
figures
garryfields3 days ago
Correction: Every president = Every other president, past present and future.
rouwster2 days ago
Since when do we tell our enemies our military strategies? Only a politician more interested in re-election than the welfare of America, would expose our national military plans to the world. He's a complete amateur.
ageofknowledge3 days ago
I will support and vote for Obama. He's done more good than harm... something we can't say about the last Republican president or the two leading Republican candidates.
ronaldm1312 days ago
Oh really?
http://digg.com/story/r/limit_the_damage_obama_s_record_of_incompetence
karmashock3 days ago
We'll see... the republicans are great at screwing up their own political chances so it's still anyone's game.
That said, if the economy doesn't improve then Obama is going to be in serious trouble. Pissing business off in the middle of a recession is idiotic but it's a classic hard left idea that ALWAYS backfires if not politically then at the very least economically. I don't think the left can spin this in their favor
They can either work really hard to fix the economy, pray for a miracle, or hope the republicans just torpedo themselves.
Closed Account2 days ago
or just do the democrat thing and raise a s**t ton of cash
karmashock2 days ago
Ah, that might be a problem... the money has run out.
Also dicking with business is not a good way to keep the donations flowing. They've scared everyone with their tone deaf attacks on everything that generates prosperity... and while they'll still keep core donors between the damage to everyone's finances and losing the middle they're unlikely to get the money they're hoping to pull in.
They can play their little games but when those games make it impossible to do business then they cannot hope to prevail.
publikjohn93 days ago
If Americans are stupid enough to vote him in again then this country deserves what it gets!
stabsteer3 days ago
Another lemming...
publikjohn93 days ago
Likewise
stabsteer3 days ago
On Obama's worst day, he's a trillion times better than any of these douchebag Republicans.
publikjohn93 days ago
I can't wait until election day.
stabsteer3 days ago
Me neither.
I don't care what 'points' you Republican supporters seem to think you are illustrating.
The facts are in. The rich have gotten tremendously richer while the middle class has gotten poorer. The rich are paying the lowest taxes ever while millions of people are out of work and are loosing their houses. All while taxes are at the lowest in years, despite whatever GOP lies they are telling.
Your Republicans big business tactics are done. People aren't falling for this crap anymore.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc252 days agoSubmitter
boy are you 2 clueless.....Obama is in Wall Streets pockets
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13208
Obama's Wall Street cabinet
everyone who caused the crisis is in his cabinet or administration.
http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-is-obama-in-wall-streets-pocket-2009-4
guys like you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Some snake oil salesman comes along with change you can believe inbs and you bend over and grab you socks. Amazing.
sproketboy3 days ago
You did that already with Bush. Remember?
googleGangStalking3 days ago
too bad he cant stage the death of osama again, that raised his approval rating 13% (temporarily). Guess he'll have to one up the bush admin and nuke a city to blame... pakistan? iran? Ron Paul 2012!
GuMpAkC3 days ago
Won't be getting my vote.
GreatStonedFace2 days ago
I'm sure he's crestfallen.
GuMpAkC2 days ago
Sorry you're mad.
GreatStonedFace2 days ago
The GOP ran on a JOBS platform & that the "American People" (whom they delusionally claim to represent) needed them back.
Well, so far;
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) HAVE BEEN SPENT "repealing" HCR. Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) HAVE BEEN SPENT "repealing" public campaign financing. Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) IS BEING SPENT proposing to end "Planned Parenthood", overturn Roe/Wade & to redefine "rape". Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) IS BEING SPENT proposing to force Internet providers (like THIS ONE) to store records of their users' activities for later review by police. Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) IS BEING SPENT trying to end the EPA. Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) IS BEING SPENT trying to raise the retirement age. Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) IS BEING SPENT trying to shut down the government. Nothing more than meaningless, vapid, political theater without a chance in hell of ever being enacted.
NOW, VALUABLE TIME (& considerable tax dollars) IS BEING SPENT trying to end Medicare.
Here's the question.
How is ANY of this balderdash supposed to create (or save) a SINGLE AMERICAN JOB???
Let’s see how the 'baggers (& baguettes) spin THIS!
stabsteer2 days ago
Couldn't agree more. None of the Republicans has a clue because they're the ones responsible for most of the mess....
...which is why they can have an entire 'debate' where they all sit around blaming Obama for all the mess for 2 hours.
GreatStonedFace2 days ago
If the republicans weren't deliberately sabotaging all efforts to jump start the economy, perhaps we'd be further along in the recovery.
Finally the Democrats are calling them on it.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/democrats-explicitly-call-out-gop-for-sabotaging-the-economic-recovery.php
pc252 days agoSubmitter
geez you guys have been trying to jumpstart the economy for 2 years now
GreatStonedFace2 days ago
I'm not worried.
I haven't seen a more pisspoor lineup on the gop side since I saw all of them tumble out of the same car at Ringling Brothers.
grannysright3 days ago
No question about it when he has to climb from the bottom of the barrel, where he put himself after making the worse policies of any President so far.
kcast9853 days ago
not surprising its all about the economy and Obama has failed to bring us out of the economic downturn. The recession was not caused by Obama but he has done nothing to make it better you could argue he's making it worse
ageofknowledge3 days ago
The problem kcast985 is that the only way to fix our economy is to fix our business trade paradigm that was broken when we unilaterally removed our trade barriers which led to our current economic situation. And no one person can do that. It takes the Congress, the Senate, and the president to accomplish it.
Read this: http://helpfixamericafirst.blogspot.com/2011/06/us-recovery-is-dependent-on-fixing-its.html
U.S. Recovery Is Dependent On Fixing Its Broken Trade Paradigm
skyscape3 days ago
If the election held today, Obama is toast. There are not enough diggers to vote him back into office
wf80didit3 days ago
It's gonna be even tougher now that he's officially offered little hope for any change in Afghanistan.
micahhurd3 days ago
I'll take hope from even the little things like a poll.
stabsteer3 days ago
Obama isn't nearly Liberal enough for my tastes, but he has so many things already against him, he's lucky he's still kicking. There are so many inbred white trash idiots in this country.
Even still, he's a million zillion times better than any of these douchebag Republican's who have been trying to sell the soul of America to the highest bidder for the last 30 years.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
brucealmighty3 days ago
Polls don't lie, but liars can take polls.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
if liars take olls then polls lie based on the lies given.
rw2y3 days ago
Of the key voting bloc of independents, fewer than one in four — 23% — said they would support Obama’s reelection while 36% said they wanted a fresh face.
Hopfully GOP will nominate someone who can appeal to this critical group of votersComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
his key support group the Independent is defecting in droves. It was the Independent voter who elected him in 08. He has also lost support amongst college students particularly recent graduates who now find NO jobs.
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
Uh, independents have switched left, not right, in recent years. Again, stand alone polls are useless. The drop in college voter support was minimal, and again, include no alternatives to Obama. Place a real person vs Obama and they lose. You want to misuse statistics?
GOP congress: 18% approval
Rick Scott : 29%
Walker 41%
Christie has dropped to 42%
Ohio High 30%s
I could go on, over 60% of responders are against the GOPs last bugdet. Over half the country supports gay rights, and abortion, both of which are under fire by republicans. Most of the country wants higher taxes on the rich, again, thats under attack by the GOP. I could go on, point is, the storm over the right is currently far worse than the left.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Uh, independents have switched left, not right, in recent years.
Uhhhh, what kind of liberal troll are you
http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-mixed-outlook-for-obama-support-among-independent-voters-2011-6
POLL: Obama Losing Independents To Romney
The new ABC News/Washington Post poll has some bad news for President Obama.
His job approval rating has returned to 47% (down from the 56% recorded after the killing of Osama bin Laden).
Two-thirds of American think the country is on the "wrong track." The "frustration index" with government is at a near record high. A solid majority of voters believe that the "economic recovery" has not even begun.
The president's re-election ultimately hinges on whether he can secure roughly 50% of self-described "independent" voters. The Washington Post/ABC News Poll indicates that it won't be easy. Here's a look at what this crucial sub-set of swing voters are thinking, 518 days before Election
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-mixed-outlook-for-obama-support-among-independent-voters-2011-6#ixzz1Q3R2nrWE
http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-mixed-outlook-for-obama-support-among-independent-voters-2011-6#obama-not-doing-his-job-handling-the-economy-1
this trend date back to last July
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/07/obama_losing_ground_with_independent_voters.html
Obama Losing Ground with Independent Voters
The latest Gallup tracking poll finds President Obama's approval rate is just 38% among independents -- the first time independent approval of Obama has dropped below 40% and 18 points lower than it was on year ago.
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2011/05/20/escalating-trend-obama-losing-support-from-unemployed-college-grads-younger-voters-turning-from-democrat-party/
and he is losing the recent college gradIt’s not looking good for Pres. Obama’s re-election efforts — younger voters, especially college graduates, are turning away from him in droves.
Being unemployed and having huge college debt that they can’t pay off has disillusioned many of those idealistic young voters who believed in Obama’s 2008 empty promises of “hopenchange.”
This escalating trend is revealing itself across the nation. Tea party attendance of younger voters has risen. Fewer high schools requested the president to be a speaker at their graduations this year than they did in 2010. In September 2010, Obama staffers had to beg Ohio college students to fill empty seats at a Cuyahoga Community College rally before POTUS spoke.
irvman213 days ago
He is the worst kind of liberal troll, he refuses to educate himself with any actual data but thinks what he is saying is valid because he's on Digg and any liberal troll is going to get dugg up by the college students who have never been out from under their mommy's wing.
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
You people have any real points, instead of the circle jerk of logical fallacies you're providing here? Ad hominem isn't a valid critique.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
we have real points. It is the liberal Circle of Jerks who can not comprehend them and try to obfuscate
liberals interpret latest Obama polling data
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo4NCXOX0p8
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
Youtube isn't valid, you have any REAL arguments, perhaps ones YOU can make without posting some retarded article/video?
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Youtube isn't valid, you have any REAL arguments, perhaps ones YOU can make without posting some retarded article/video?
and this is from the guy who diggs an article about Fox News from the liberals "only real newsman"
jon stewart the daily show
who the hell are you kidding....dispute those polls grom gallup and anc, and politico and all the others
pc253 days agoSubmitter
@jonathon
youtube isn't valid
good to see you didn't even look at the youtube link buddy, it's a joke, it's sarcasm, its the old Abbot and Costello 7 x 13 = 28
hence the statement liberals interpret Obama polling data.
davidtc3 days ago
Don't be too worried. It is just the way digg works. Even though you are correct, you are going against the left so diggers will bury you and your facts.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Imagine a world without liberal trolls.........ahhhhhhh sheer bliss...........
rw2y3 days ago
You are not correct about Independents, they are negative on Obama (approval ratings) and in 2010 went GOP.
Issue to me is whether when faced with a choice (and not "Generic" man) they will vote for the actual GOP nominee. Polls indicate that this might happen with Romney, but others could rise up if the vote in 2012 is more a referendum on Obama and less about the actual GOP candidate.
This article--which all these comments are attached would seem to indicate that that could happen--that was the point of the article.
Some GOP candidates however have less appeal to Independents than others. In my opinion Paul probably cannot do it (I know that will get his supporters on Digg, mad, but I am only looking at the polls and his general approvals--are not strong.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
rw2y you are going to overload him
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
Not one of those sites is even remotely credible, and you have failed to produce any real points outside of general questions, points stand that no single candidate can capture all independents based on vague statements these polls provide.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
they don't have to capture all indepent voters....just enough to take away his majority. Remember a 3 point swing in reality is 6 points.....
here;s another source that has no credibility
http://www.thegrio.com/politics/black-caucus-chair-reelecting-obama-will-be-enormous-challenge.php
Black Caucus Chair: Re-electing Obama will be 'enormous challenge'
The new chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), stressed Monday that he believes the Democrats have a difficult task ahead of them in getting President Obama reelected in 2012.
"It's realistic for our party to understand the enormous challenge we're going to have, to get him back in the White House in 2012... It will not be a landslide or easy victory", Cleaver said.
The three-term congressman believes that although Obama's chances of being reelected are slim, he possesses a strong resume that will stand out in the re-election effort if the Democrats play their cards right.
quirkopatra3 days ago
Wassup failinator.
You thought you were going to be some hero on Digg slaying conservatives.
Not so simple, eh?
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Not one of those sites is even remotely credible,
geez how many ludes did you down tonight?
you stated above, not one poll even gallup shows Obama losing, and I posted the ABC breakdown of the gallup poll that says he does
and not a single runner beats him in polls (including gallup)
sorry bud
from ABC (should be liberal enough for you)
Poll Puts Generic Republican Ahead of President: How Vulnerable Is Obama?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/nightlinedailyline/2011/06/poll-puts-generic-republican-ahead-of-president-how-vulnerable-is-obama.html
time to go to bed and count deserting Independent voters voting Republican/Conservative in 2012.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenator2 days ago
Considering I'm still near positive or positive in a dead thread you guys already mass buries due to being butthurt ans none of you presented a valid argument, ya, it is easy.
Protip, just because you reply it doesn't mean your post has argumenative validity.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
They are, I never said they weren't, myself included. The point you ignored of mine to reuse as your closer is the valid question, that using these general polls is fallacious, and unaccurate. Pc fails to understand this, but you've managed to grasp it. Even pissed off independants are overwhelming choosing Obama in polls against GOP contenders, Romney is the only who has won any and it wasn't statistically significant. Margin of error was more than his victory, suggesting it'd be too weak to tell with any reasonable validity.
General gripes tend to go away when they have a second person to look at, which was my main point from the beginning.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Unregistered_Coward3 days ago
Just because an independent voter leans to the left versus the right doesn't mean they support Obama.
Being of an independent mind means having the intelligence to not follow the herd around in blind devotion, accepting marginal leadership simply based on the fact he has a (D) after his name.
Obama has failed to deliver on his promises, he failed at leadership and the majority of those how voted for him have lost confidence in him.
Perhaps the Democrats will be bright enough to field somebody at bit more adept at the job. Hillary Clinton springs to mind. Or maybe we'll see somebody emerge from the Republican ranks, or, heaven forbid, a solid third party candidate.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
They also don't lean right because of generic polls... Even Fox shows him destroying everyone as an individual except Romney.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Perhaps the Democrats will be bright enough to field somebody at bit more adept at the job. Hillary Clinton springs to mind. Or maybe we'll see somebody emerge from the Republican ranks, or, heaven forbid, a solid third party candidate.
the Dems are not going to primary Obama and blow up the party for the next 100 years......although I wish they would. If Obama didn't play the
davidniven3 days ago
I see you finally got a job working at Obama's new Progressive Media and Online Response office. How are the pay and working hours?
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
I don't think so, the GOP just doesn't have anyone. People act like these polls determine what will happen when most do not include his opponent. This reminds me of the anti obama sign by the onion, sure, plenty would want another guy if he's judged by stand alone polls, myself included. But, when presented with a current alternative Obama beats everyone but Romney, and even there the difference in statistics is not significant, as the difference is below the margin of error.
I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to find someone completely swayed by Obama, but the fact remains there just isn't a strong field this year. It's meh vs f**k NO.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
hate to break it to you bud but have you seen what is going on lately
http://www.cafepress.com/nobama_2012
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2011/06/anyone-but-obama-mindset.html
Today, Gallup finds that the mindset is "anyone but Obama".
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/21/anyone-but-obama-in-2012/
LETTER TO THE EDITOR: Anyone but Obama in 2012
ageofmastery3 days ago
A site selling s**t, a right wing blog and a letter to the editor...That's some stunning proof
pc253 days agoSubmitter
a site selling s**t....
gee there were a lot of sites selling Obama s**t leading up to the election, and a lot of people wearing Obama s**t. Don't see any now. And what in the world ever happened to all those Obama bumper stickers. Haven't seen one in NY in over a year. Funny no one admits to voting for Obama now. How the hell did this guy elected.
a right wing blog
from ABC (should be liberal enough for you)
Poll Puts Generic Republican Ahead of President: How Vulnerable Is Obama?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/nightlinedailyline/2011/06/poll-puts-generic-republican-ahead-of-president-how-vulnerable-is-obama.html
Could a generic Republican beat the president? 44% of registered voters say they are more likely to vote for "the Republican Party's candidate," while 39% say the same of Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election, according to Gallup. The current 5% edge for the generic Republican is not a statistically significant lead--but it points to a serious challenge for the president. How vulnerable do you think he is to a 2012 loss?
sure sounds like abyone but Obama mindset to me.
and a letter to the editor.
for every letter to an editor that gets published there are dozens like it that don't get published. They always pick the best one on the subject. For every letter that actually gets written to an editor there are dozens of people who wish to write that letter. Beginning whispers that will turn into a roar soon enough.
ageofmastery3 days ago
Except you didn't link to ABC, you linked to wakeupamericans.com. Nice try at revisionist posting.
And keep ranting on about that that one poll.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
Shows the Republicans do a lot less well when when voters are asked about the candidates actually running, not just their fantasy idea of a Republican. In fact, they seem to overwhelmingly prefer Obama...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
it doesn't matter where I linked it to, I always have multiple sources
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
Sources are extremely important, especially when the sites you're posting have the word blog, or just more words in the url name than actual article itself. Not even worth clicking them if that's all you have.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
Sources are extremely important, especially when the sites you're posting have the word blog,
you mean like your one and only submission
news.blogs.cnn.com
or your diggs of articles on alternet, politicususa,
thedailyshow, BLOGS.wsj.com (that damn blog word again) and of course freakoutnation....the who's who of liberal rants. You need to write for the late show.
who the hell are you kidding
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
Those sites are extermely questionable. The majority of the country are democratic leaning, and not a single runner beats him in polls (including gallup) but Romney, and those results are too dead even to call. Even Fox had a poll showing he'd beat every single candidate.
BTW you ignored the main point, no one can single handedly capture the anti obama semtimate without losing independants over other issues. Stand alone polls are worthless, you cant expect a fill in your candidate vs a random person to show accurate results.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
and not a single runner beats him in polls (including gallup)
sorry bud
from ABC (should be liberal enough for you)
Poll Puts Generic Republican Ahead of President: How Vulnerable Is Obama?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/nightlinedailyline/2011/06/poll-puts-generic-republican-ahead-of-president-how-vulnerable-is-obama.html
Could a generic Republican beat the president? 44% of registered voters say they are more likely to vote for "the Republican Party's candidate," while 39% say the same of Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election, according to Gallup. The current 5% edge for the generic Republican is not a statistically significant lead--but it points to a serious challenge for the president. How vulnerable do you think he is to a 2012 loss?
ageofmastery3 days ago
Here's a better breakdown, with results from most major polls
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
Notice that yes two polls show a "Generic Republican" ahead of the president but when it comes to polls pitting him against specific candidates only one poll shows him losing and that's to Romney. And oddly enough that polls was by the same group you called liberal ABC...
People may be interested into voting for their fantasy Republican, but they seem to prefer Obama to anyone actually running for the Republican nomination...
pc253 days agoSubmitter
just google Obama losing to independents
never mind I;ll post it for you
http://www.google.com/search?q=polls+indicate+obama+losing+independents&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50954.html
what don't you undertand about losing independents......one of the lessons that the conservatives learned from 2008 is that they will vote for the candidate that can BEAT Obama and specifically the candidate that shares all their idealogy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110617/pl_nm/us_usa_campaign_republicans_2
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) – Sometimes fractious Republican loyalists agreed on Friday on at least one thing about the 2012 White House race -- President Barack Obama has got to go.
Many of the officials and activists attending the three-day Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans said the party should move beyond recent ideological battles and unite behind a 2012 nominee who can beat Obama.
"Our goal, our focus, has to be to elect a new Republican president next year," said Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, who considered a White House run but decided against it.
"Don't get hung up on purity. In this business, it is unity that wins elections," he said.
Republicans are launching their 2012 nomination race with fresh memories of last year's divisive primary fights between the party establishment and conservative Tea Party insurgents, which might have cost the party even bigger gains in the midterm elections.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
that should read not specifically the candidate that shares their idealogy
JonathonFishenator3 days ago
You just ignored my entire post, STAND ALONE POLLS DO NOT MATTER, no single candidate consistently beats him in person vs person polls, generic polls are USELESS.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
you have no point never did.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
candidates BEAT him
kyomagi3 days ago
ahem,
RCP Average 5/25 - 6/19 43.8 -41.5 Obama +2.3
Rasmussen Reports 6/13 - 6/19 3500 LV 43 -45 Republican +2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 6/9 - 6/13 RV 45-40 Obama +5
Gallup 6/9 - 6/12 914 RV 39- 44 Republican +5
Pew Research 5/25 - 5/30 1227 RV 48 -37 Obama +11
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
Averaged out = Obama by 11+ And that is using Rasmussen too.
pc253 days agoSubmitter
ahem
Rasmussen is not represented in a number of the candidate polls. Right there you have a problem. You do not have the same number of polling organizations consistently represented, nor the same polling organization represented in many of the different polls. That's another problem. You are cherry picking your data. You are leaving out a number of other poll organizations. Where in the world did you get Obama +11 in the Generic Poll. You throw out the high and the low as you are supposed to in the Generic Poll and it is a statistical dead heat.
Who the are you kidding with this +11.
That figure is from the liberal Pew organization. Obama+11 and you are trying to pass it off as the the results of the Generic poll average. Go peddle that bridge somewhere else bud.
In the Romney vs Obama Poll Rasmussen is not even represented. You include Rasmussen in the Romney poll and throw out the high and the low and you are probably somewhere 3% to 4% Obama which is well within range of the usual margin of error. It is a compilation of selectively picked polling organizations in the RCP Obama vs Romney poll. One of the polls not represented in the Romney/Obama poll is the following:
The results ABC News and The Washington Post released on June 7 hold the lone exception: while Obama beats every other candidate and ties Romney at 47-47 among all adults, the former Massachusetts governor takes a small lead, 49 percent to 46 percent, among Registered voters. With that smaller pool, he leads with a range of 6 points, against Gingrich, to 15 points, against Palin. (A 3.5-point margin of error among 1,002 adults.)
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/is-there-a-generic-republican-to-beat-obama-in-the-polls--20110621
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did you notice the keyword REGISTERED voters. I don't see the word REGISTERED voters anywhere on the RCP polling data.
Sampling errors and biases
Sampling errors and biases are induced by the sample design. They include:
1. Selection bias: When the true selection probabilities differ from those assumed in calculating the results.
2. Random sampling error: Random variation in the results due to the elements in the sample being selected at random.
Non-sampling error
Non-sampling errors are caused by other problems in data collection and processing. They include:
1. Overcoverage: Inclusion of data from outside of the population.
2. Undercoverage: Sampling frame does not include elements in the population.
3. Measurement error: E.g. when respondents misunderstand a question, or find it difficult to answer.
4. Processing error: Mistakes in data coding.
5. Non-response: Failure to obtain complete data from all selected individuals.
After sampling, a review should be held of the exact process followed in sampling, rather than that intended, in order to study any effects that any divergences might have on subsequent analysis. A particular problem is that of non-response.
Two major types of nonresponse exist: unit nonresponse (referring to lack of completion of any part of the survey) and item nonresponse (submission or participation in survey but failing to complete one or more components/questions of the survey).[9][10] In survey sampling, many of the individuals identified as part of the sample may be unwilling to participate, not have the time to participate (opportunity cost),[11]
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"Obviously, the numbers aren’t perfect since the samples of each poll don’t align. The NBC/WSJ poll had Obama leading a generic Republican challenger by 5 points compared to Gallup’s 5-point deficit. And Gallup doesn’t do general election matchups this far ahead of an election, on the theory that those polls would be too dependent on name recognition."
And there you have the problem when you AVERAGE stand alone polls together. Different sampling numbers and different sampling and weighting techniques.
"Still, there is bad news for Obama in the numbers. Even though he’s beating individual candidates in hypothetical matchups, that Obama could trail a generic Republican reflects an unhappiness with the country’s direction that could drive voters into the arms of Republicans."
toiletduck3 days ago
No, we're stupid, we'll reelect Obama.
publikjohn93 days ago
Sad to say, but you're probably right.
toiletduck2 days ago
Yeah. We get the government we deserve, and we obviously haven't gotten it hard enough.
kayla91703 days ago
No surprising in the least. I am probably not voting for him!
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