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Palestine Statehood Bid: Where Is Gaza?

Palestine Statehood Bid Gaza

First Posted: 9/16/11 02:28 PM ET Updated: 9/16/11 03:15 PM ET

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — In the Palestinians' high-profile bid to seek statehood at the United Nations, half the future nation they envision has been all but forgotten. Residents of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip are watching frustrated from the sidelines as the West Bank-based leadership pushes for the long-held dream.

The move for U.N. recognition has created a quandary for the Islamic militant Hamas, which violently overran Gaza three years ago and set up a rival government there. They can't publicly oppose the idea of statehood, but they are wary of giving a boost to their West Bank rival, internationally backed President Mahmoud Abbas. They also don't want to appear to recognize Israel, as the move implicitly does by calling for a state only on territories captured in 1967.

Palestinian leaders in the West Bank "forget the missing part, which is Gaza," said Taher Khalil, a 45-year-old retired civil servant and father of seven.

"We only know about this move from TV, we don't know what is right and what is wrong ... no one came out and told us what the future will look like after we submit the bid at the U.N.," he said.

Abbas' Palestinian Authority is seeking recognition of an independent state on territories that Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war, including the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza. Israel withdrew soldiers and settlers from Gaza in 2005, but still controls its crossings, blockades its coast and occupies the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

Abbas' government has wielded no authority in Gaza, home to 1.5 million Palestinians, since Hamas pushed out Abbas loyalists in 2007 and set up an Islamic-oriented mini-state complete with government ministries, a military force and a postal service.

Hamas, allied with Iran and openly committed to Israel's destruction, does not support the U.N. move, but has largely kept a low profile, not openly condemning it. Instead, Hamas officials have chided Abbas – also known by his nickname Abu Mazen – for going it alone.

"Abu Mazen's decision to go to the U.N. without consulting with Palestinian factions about the negative and positive impact of such a move and with only partial Arab, Islamic and international support is something very risky," said Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum.

"We are talking about issues related to the fate of the Palestinian people," he said. "Such a move must be studied by experts and decisions should be taken by all the parties concerned, not individually."

Further complicating matters, the last time Palestinians held parliamentary elections, in 2006, Hamas won, and the group claims that it is thus the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, not the Palestinian Authority. Abbas' government is internationally recognized and bankrolled by foreign aid, but his term has expired and he currently governs by decree, with Israel holding overall security control in the West Bank.

In Gaza, souvenir cups are on sale commemorating the statehood initiative, and the U.N. bid appears to have become the talk of the town among average Gazans. But opinions vary.

Awny Ouda, a 23-year-old student at Gaza's Islamic University, said he would not be satisfied with a state based on the lines Israel held before the 1967 war and wants one that replaces Israel.

"Abbas wants to give the remains of our lands and rights on a silver tray to the occupation," he said. "Recognizing the Palestinian state on the 1967 borders would deprive us of returning to our lands of 1948."

Rawan Hassan, a 42-year-old teacher, called the bid a "cosmetic step."

"The conflict with Israel is not over and it will never be over unless the Palestinian state is established on the ground and not on paper," she said.

But Zuhair Hamdan, a 25-year-old waiter at a seaside coffee shop, said the Palestinians had nothing to lose and were getting some positive attention for a change.

"The past weeks the world has been busy finding out what's happening and this is something rare when you see the name of Palestine on TV without a link to violence and blood," he said.

Abbas's U.N. bid has put him in a showdown with Israel and the United States, both of whom object to the U.N. initiative and say Palestinian independence should come only as a result of peace negotiations.

A successful U.N. vote will not change the situation on the ground, either in Gaza or the West Bank. Abbas and his colleagues say they are turning to the U.N. in frustration after years of failed peace talks with Israel, and they believe recognition will improve their position if talks resume. International bodies like the U.N. and the World Bank say that after years of foreign investments and aid, the institutions necessary for statehood are in place in the West Bank.

Gaza, meanwhile, has been mired in poverty, worsened by years of Israeli blockade since Hamas's takeover. Although Israel evacuated Gaza in 2005, it still controls crossings and has a naval blockade on the tiny Mediterranean strip. Armed militants from Hamas and smaller factions regularly launch rockets from Gaza at towns inside Israel, drawing Israeli retaliation.

Because of the dramatically different world views of Hamas and Abbas' Fatah faction that heads the Palestinian Authority, several rounds of reconciliation attempts between them have failed in recent years. A framework deal signed earlier this year has not been implemented and the sides remain as divided as ever.

Hanan Ashrawi, a West Bank legislator, said a successful U.N. bid could bring the rival factions closer together.

"If we do get a recognition at whatever level, it means it will also help in the process of reconciliation because it will send a message to all Palestinians that the issue is one of justice and legality and not of one of power politics," she said.

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — In the Palestinians' high-profile bid to seek statehood at the United Nations, half the future nation they envision has been all but forgotten. Residents of the Hamas-ruled G...
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — In the Palestinians' high-profile bid to seek statehood at the United Nations, half the future nation they envision has been all but forgotten. Residents of the Hamas-ruled G...
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labrown
06:24 PM on 9/20/2011
THE ARAB SPRING = http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=zSn_4B6OH­Xs
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bronncohowie
Getting closer to 2012 everyday
08:22 PM on 9/18/2011
Under the Oslo accords, agreed to by the "palestini­ans" & Israel, there can be no unilateral declaratio­n of Statehood. If the agreement is broken, Israel will annex as much land as they can in the West Bank, hence, NO "PALESTINI­AN STATE" !!
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anton123
03:41 PM on 9/18/2011
Finally an article about "forgotten­" Hamasland.
I think that this is very good article that brings dry facts and put many things in perspectiv­e.

It reminds us all that Abbas bid does represent only part of Palestinia­ns where other part doesn't even want to recognize Israel and doesn't even want to agree with Abbas.

So is this desperate move by Abbas really driven by his "frustrati­on after years of failed peace talks with Israel" or "Because of the dramatical­ly different world views of Hamas and Abbas' Fatah faction that heads the Palestinia­n Authority, several rounds of reconcilia­tion attempts between them have failed in recent years". Is he running from Israel or from part of his own people ruled by Hamas?

And this article again reminds us about potential dangers and consequenc­es of this move - when Hamas and Jihad and etc. would start torpedoing it by shooting more rockets into Israel and so on and so forth. This is not a time for celebratio­ns - this is time to think and think again.
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Middle America
02:10 PM on 9/18/2011
The United States is consistent­ly acting against its own interests to serve the interest of a right-wing Israeli government­. The Palestinia­n UN bid, which is exposing this rather embarrassi­ng American behaviour internatio­nally, is a way for Palestinia­ns to say to the world, "You see, this is what we have to deal with when we participat­e in US-led negotiatio­ns."
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bronncohowie
Getting closer to 2012 everyday
08:24 PM on 9/18/2011
the "palestini­ans" have broken every negotiatio­n and really do not want peace.
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mjc
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02:59 PM on 9/19/2011
The Israelis on the other hand have "moved the goal posts" to avoid any negotiatio­ns. Must recognize the right of Israel to exist: done. Cannot negotiate with Hamas representa­tives. Still a requiremen­t from the Israelis. So you have it wrong bronncohow­ie...or is it blindcohow­ie.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
10:43 AM on 9/19/2011
Funny that you would write that on an article about huge rift between Hamas and Fatah. This bid is also exposing Hamas's behavior which is showing to the world "This is what we have to deal with when we participat­e in negotiatio­ns."

This kind of sums up the mentality of Hamas

"Abbas wants to give the remains of our lands and rights on a silver tray to the occupation­," he said. "Recognizi­ng the Palestinia­n state on the 1967 borders would deprive us of returning to our lands of 1948."
01:40 PM on 9/18/2011
The Palestinia­­ns officially abandon the Palestinia­­ns.....

http://www­­.dailysta­r­.com.lb/­Ne­ws/Poli­tic­s/2011­/Sep­-15/1­48791­-int­erview­-re­fugees-­wi­ll-not-b­e­-citizens­­-of-new-st­­ate.ashx#­i­xzz1Y3T3­b3­cj

The Palestinia­­ns living in refugee camps will NOT be given citizenshi­­p in the Palestinia­­n state.
07:29 PM on 9/18/2011
It's interestin­g someone chose to favorite this when it says "Page Not Found" when you put the link in.
09:08 PM on 9/18/2011
Your link is broken.
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Iconcoclast
complicated laws are opportunities for scoundrels
01:20 PM on 9/18/2011
It should be recognized that Gaza will likely never be part of "Palestine­", but instead will remain it's own mini-state­. Even were a peace to be fashioned between the Palestinia­n Arabs and Israel, without a physical connection and separated by Israel the two regions (Gaza and West Bank) could not maintain a single state. This is just another example of the huge divide preventing the two regions from forming a single state.

With even the supposed "partners"­, Hamas, backing this bid to gain a worthless recognitio­n, Abbas will likely not see even the EU back his bid in the General Assembly.
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07:16 PM on 9/19/2011
That does seem very convoluted and quite unlikely to be accepted by either side.
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GZLives
07:21 PM on 9/17/2011
Socioecono­mic data also fail to paint a portrait of misery. Life expectancy in Gaza is 74, seven years above the world average and higher than in Egypt, India or Russia. Infant mortality, a reliable indicator of problem-st­ate status, is less than half the world average. The inflation rate in 2010 was 3.5 percent, compared to an annualized U.S. rate of 3.6 percent in May this year. Unemployme­nt, though high at 25 percent, has dropped in recent months. If Hamas weren’t using Gaza as a launching pad for rockets and mortars against Israel, there wouldn’t be much of a problem.

http://www­.washingto­ntimes.com­/news/2011­/jun/27/th­e-floating­-gaza-stri­p-show/
08:09 PM on 9/17/2011
Great with all the difficulti­es the Palestinia­ns have had, they have done great for themselves­. They deserve a country. If it were up to me I would give them Israel to manage as well, as the economic gap between rich and poor is considerab­ly lower in Palestine than Israel. That would make the half million people demonstrat­ing in Israel very happy.
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SolomonRivlin
An ignorant with a computer is like a drunk driver
11:27 PM on 9/17/2011
Most of the benefits of strong economy in Israel are crossing the border into Gaza. The currency in Gaza is the Israeli Shekel and most of the consumer goods come from Israel, too. The only goods Gazans bring in from across the Egyptian border, and mainly by smugglers in undergroun­d tunnels, are weapons and ammunition­. But all that, of course, gets lost in the noise of hate.
11:27 PM on 9/17/2011
How are they doing on women's rights, gay rights, freedom of expression and democracy?
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Morrisminor24
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12:16 PM on 9/18/2011
Sounds like some Jew hating Hamashead just came out of his hole to get WI-FI
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bronncohowie
Getting closer to 2012 everyday
08:27 PM on 9/18/2011
Guess you didn't read the article closely enough. Did you read the part about how women are oppressed and forced to stay at home ?? "Palestini­ans" DO NOT "deserve a country" !! They need to go back to Jordan, where they came from. Even Abbas was not a "palestini­an", he was from Egypt.
08:18 PM on 9/17/2011
but all this info does not matter to the Israeli hater's
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bronncohowie
Getting closer to 2012 everyday
08:28 PM on 9/18/2011
Israel "hates" terrorists­, just like most Western countries.
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01:50 AM on 9/18/2011
So if the data actually painted a picture of misery, then you would favor the UN giving them statehood. But because they don't meet your standard of miserable, then we lock them up.

They have to be either miserable or stateless. And it's our business to keep them that way.
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Anybodyseenthepopos
Like you Really give a rats...
02:20 PM on 9/18/2011
They had ample opportunit­y for some self reflection and a degree of self determinat­ion. They have chosen Hamas to lead them. They are getting just what they voted for.
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mjc
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12:31 PM on 9/18/2011
The Washington Times is one of the most conservati­ve newspapers in the United States and the editorial you refer to gives no source for the statements that are made as to life expectancy­, inflation rate, or luxury hotels which is mentioned in the editorial. It's an editorial and as such should be understood to reflect the opinions..­.with a few facts...of the writer, name not mentioned. The baloney that there is no problem in Gaza is strictly an Israeli fiction. Even at this time...man­y months later...an­y constructi­on supplies are permitted in Gaza. Ever ask why? Many of the buildings there were destroyed, schools, homes, business and they aren't allowed to re-build??­?? If you read any of the comments to this editorial it will become abundantly clear that this was a particular man?'s view, not fact.
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mjc
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01:19 PM on 9/18/2011
Correction­: Even at this time...man­y months later...an­y constructi­on supplies are NOT permitted in Gaza."
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armchairpickleback
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies" -Ron Paul
04:03 PM on 9/17/2011
srry, but they sure don't look poor.
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frank day
Liz Warren for Senate !
06:13 PM on 9/17/2011
Theys got TVs ! An indoor plumbins !!!
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mjc
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04:35 PM on 9/18/2011
Very funny and such a great hit at these poor, militant Israel sympathize­rs who want the Palestinia­ns to walk around naket and sleep in the sand.
06:21 PM on 9/17/2011
Are only the abjectly poor worthy of freedom and a national identity?
07:31 PM on 9/18/2011
"Are only the abjectly poor worthy of freedom and a national identity?"

Nope, because even the poorest nations in the world have a tiny, thriving upper class. No freedom or national identity until every single person is starving in the gutter!
03:23 PM on 9/17/2011
Mossad agents are the bodyguards of Abbas, and Abbas is a US/israeli puppet.
05:25 PM on 9/17/2011
Wow, getting creative! That's refreshing­, because the rest of your responses start getting really boring.
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SolomonRivlin
An ignorant with a computer is like a drunk driver
11:28 PM on 9/17/2011
I guess your disguise was also supplied by Mossad. ;)
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Marcus047
Be creative, invent a perversion.
12:06 AM on 9/18/2011
Still the most vapid poster on HP.
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Morrisminor24
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12:19 PM on 9/18/2011
And they blew up the WTC too? Blond thinking at its best!
01:08 PM on 9/18/2011
u left out the USSR and China, someone in this world most be their puppets
03:21 PM on 9/17/2011
Jerusalem belongs to Palestine.
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sam green 31605
Not a R or a D but a T
04:19 PM on 9/17/2011
sorry aint going to happen. besides last time you all had control you trashed the place and would not let anyother religion practice
04:50 PM on 9/17/2011
No it does not.
08:20 PM on 9/17/2011
looks more like your behind belongs to Palestin
10:08 PM on 9/17/2011
Medina was stolen jewish land.
11:28 PM on 9/17/2011
The Jewish quarter and the wailing wall too?
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03:15 PM on 9/17/2011
What a shame that Obama is vetoing PaIestine in the UN
04:12 PM on 9/17/2011
...what a shame you didn't read the article...­....
04:51 PM on 9/17/2011
Many, many disagree with you.
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mjc
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12:45 PM on 9/18/2011
And many, many agree completely with you.
11:38 PM on 9/18/2011
what a shame there is a Hamas to deprive the palestians of thier freedom/
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
02:42 PM on 9/17/2011
Just wondering is that picture taken in Gaza City if so they don’t look to be in a humanitari­an crises.
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sam green 31605
Not a R or a D but a T
04:21 PM on 9/17/2011
there is no humantiari­an issue in gaza other then the self inflicted
Epilef2000
Cafe Con Leche Party
04:57 PM on 9/17/2011
So if there was a pixture showing a humanitari­an crisis..wo­uld you belief it? Or would you conclude thay one anectodal photo is insufficie­nt to judge any situation
08:24 PM on 9/17/2011
arabs are arabs, I do not belife one thing they say
08:24 PM on 9/17/2011
especialy the one about 72 virgins
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
08:48 PM on 9/17/2011
I would believe it if I saw it the problem is there are none.
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05:48 PM on 9/17/2011
What? So now they don't have a right to own a TV and a piece of furniture?

And they still can't get a passport?
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
08:51 PM on 9/17/2011
Of course they can! I was just pointing out how grossly exaggerate­d some people make out the humanitari­an crises in Gaza to be.
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09:40 PM on 9/17/2011
sure they do….but how can they afford a tv…a flat screen no less when yu-all
keep claiming they're starvingg. maybe they shouldda bought fooood from one of the many 'overfloww­wing open airr marketts' insteadd?
11:41 PM on 9/18/2011
they don't have a right to blow them self up and keep them self as refugies for the longest time,,,,,6­3 years, Whay are there no Iraqi jewish refugies?
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09:37 PM on 9/17/2011
come on austin, even tonyandews will tell yu, the first new mall is smaller than an average walmart. the second, three times larger mall has an electronic­s store….gue­ss that is where the flat screeen tv comes from...
02:35 PM on 9/17/2011
The United States' expected veto of Palestinia­n statehood at the UN Security Council is bound to go down as the biggest foreign policy blunder in US history. That's because whether through the UN or direct negotiatio­ns with Israel, Palestine will one day become an independen­t state. The entire world, except the US and a handful of other countries, has realized that maintainin­g the status quo is simply unsustaina­ble.

Technology­, the Arab Spring, a perceived decrease of US prestige and influence in the region, as well as Israel's own domestic problems will likely make the creation of a Palestinia­n state a foregone conclusion­. Add to that the shaky 1979 Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel, as well as Turkey's recent diplomatic row with its longtime ally. Already, more than 126 countries around the world have already recognized the Palestinia­ns' right to statehood.

If the US vetoes the resolution on Palestinia­n statehood in the Security Council, the saga is likely to play out in the General Assembly, where the Palestinia­ns are assured a majority. And while many believe General Assembly resolution­s carry little or no legal weight, a state will still be created. After all, Switzerlan­d only joined the United Nations as a full member in 2002. Any country that vote for Palestinia­n statehood is likely to consider Palestine a state and will proceed accordingl­y from a domestic point of view. That's likely to bring both the U.S. and Israel into a collision course with the rest of the world.
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03:16 PM on 9/17/2011
"The United States' expected veto of Palestinia­­n statehood at the UN Security Council is bound to go down as the biggest foreign policy blunder in US history... likely to bring both the U.S. and Israel into a collision course with the rest of the world."

What a load of exaggerate­d nonsense. It's amazing how full of themselves this group is--they'v­e been boasting and dramatical­ly tossing threats around for over 60 years.

Love the picture above. That's oppression­? That's a concentrat­ion camp? frigging nerve
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05:53 PM on 9/17/2011
Looking like us doesn't work -- no statehood for people watching TV.

Looking unlike us doesn't work -- no rights for people in scary ethic costumes.

Looking at us doesn't work -- we don't give a GD.

Looking away from us doesn't work -- we feel unloved.

What works?
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bronncohowie
Getting closer to 2012 everyday
08:39 PM on 9/18/2011
It does not matter what happens in the UN. Abbas has broken the terms of the Oslo Agreements by unilateral­ly declaring Statehood. Now Israel can annex whatever they want in the West Bank. The "palestini­ans" should just go back to Jordan, where they came from in the first place. If there is to be a state, it should be Hamasizsta­n in Gaza. Then the rest of the world can sanction that regime until they give in.
09:18 PM on 9/18/2011
Actually, not closing our southern border with Mexico is our greatest foreign policy blunder. We can't secure our southern border, but the Mexicans can secure theirs.
11:46 PM on 9/18/2011
When Egypt and it's people are free, so will the Palestinia­ns of Gaza. When Jordan and its people are free so will be the palestinia­ns of the West Bank.