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Hispanics and Illegal Immigration - Where the Conversation Stops

Posted: 08/19/11 12:29 PM ET

Hispanics and immigration reached its apex of visibility during the 2006 street protests, where a coordinated, national series of street marches occurred with Hispanic participants estimated in the millions. These events were facilitated and amplified by Spanish-language media outlets, in particular Univision, Telemundo, Azteca America and various Spanish-language radio stations across the country and demonstrated to the American populace for the first time that Hispanic voices could coalesce in a powerful chorus.

So, it wouldn't be farfetched to believe that there is a broad consensus on the issue of illegal immigration among Hispanics, right? Wrong.

"Hispanics are also divided about the impact of illegal immigration on Hispanics already living in the U.S. Roughly equal shares say the impact has been positive (29%), negative (31%) or made no difference (30%)".- Pew Hispanic Center 2010

What is happening here? I believe that many casual observers of this topic ascribe Hispanic motives on illegal immigrations primarily, if not exclusively toward ethnic solidarity. More simply put - "Hispanics stick together because they are Hispanics". This belief, by the way, is held by those who are more sympathetic towards illegal immigrants and by those who are not. The argument, in its extreme goes like this:

Sympathetic - "We must not be oppressed on the basis of our race/ethnicity/cultural heritage. A blow to one is a blow to all."

Unsympathetic - "They are not true 'Americans'. Those foreigners don't belong here".

At the core of this argument is the notion of ethnic identity, and what it supposedly means. My view is that most of the public dialogue on illegal immigration and Hispanics centers on this ethnic identity core, which blurs the reality of the nuance of the issue, and leads to the loudest voices crowding out the possibility for solutions. By looking at Hispanic opinions on illegal immigration, we can see better where the nuance lies.

I believe there are several filters at work that impact people's views on illegal immigration that include, but go beyond, ethnic identity. Specifically, and in my order of priority:

1. Security Filter - Since 9/11, public consciousness has been raised on the need to control our borders. Lapsed visas, shoe and underwear bombers, under-monitored incoming cargo are almost daily reminders that we are not an island fortress. The notion that porous borders exist, and the daily evidence of human traffic passing through these borders, is generally disconcerting to Americans, including Hispanics, who overwhelmingly want a path to citizenship that includes background checks.

2.Economic Filter - the interpretation here is less clear. Harvard's George Borjas has asserted that the average American's wealth is incrementally increased because of illegal immigration, due largely to lower prices on various items like food, services, et al. Others argue that illegal immigrants suppress wages at the lower end of the wage scale, with a disproportionately negative impact on lower skilled job seekers. Some claim that illegal immigrants consume social services (e.g. schools, medical services) in greater amounts than they contribute in taxes, while others argue the exact opposite. In the end, Hispanics are similarly divided. In fact, the shift in Hispanic attitudes on this issue as measured by Pew between 2007 and 2010 may coincide with the diminishing prospects of the economy, meaning Hispanics' affinity for education may be significantly impacted by this filter.

3."Fairness" Filter - this is the notion that we all have to "wait our turn in line". It is core to the American identity with its origins of egalitarianism and rule of law. There are many who take deep offense at the idea that some are skirting unfairly, including Hispanics who have personally gone through the legal immigration process.

4. Ethnic Identity Filter - this is where we started, with the notion that people are either being persecuted or are seeking strength through numbers on the basis of their ethnicity. This is where most of the action is, and where I believe the most vocal constituencies drown out the potential for moving forward. When those I loosely called 'sympathetic' focus exclusively or primarily on ethnic identity as the dividing line, their opponents are basically being labeled bigots. Despite legitimate concerns in Security, the Economy and Fairness, the cry of bigotry polarizes and shuts down debate.

On the other side, we need to recognize that there are overt and perhaps unconscious perceptions of ethnic inferiority that make this issue more emotionally charged. Perhaps best illustrated by the writings of now deceased Harvard social scientist Samuel Huntington:
"In this new era, the single most immediate and most serious challenge to America's traditional identity comes from the immense and continuing immigration from Latin America, especially from Mexico, and the fertility rates of these immigrants compared to black and white American natives....This reality poses a fundamental question: Will the United States remain a country with a single national language and a core Anglo-Protestant culture?."

This view, of course, is deeply offensive to Hispanics when perceived as cultural determinism, or worse, some form of genetic determinism. This is the place where conversation becomes recrimination.

My hope and belief is that the vast majority of Americans do not filter this issue primarily through Filter 4. In the end, Hispanic opinions on illegal immigration have what I believe is a reasoned, and reasonable perspective on comprehensive illegal immigration reform.


"For example, fully 86% of Latinos support providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants if they pass background checks, pay a fine and have jobs, a level of support far greater than among the general public (68%). Among Latinos, about eight-in-ten (82%) of the native born and nine-in-ten (90%) of the foreign born say they support providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants." - Pew Hispanic Center 2010 Study

 
 
 
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bonelessfluff
A mind is a terrible thing to eat
07:58 PM on 08/27/2011
I work with the public. The people I've heard complain the most about illegals are the ones who have came here legally.
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
06:13 AM on 08/25/2011
"For example, fully 86% of Latinos support providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants if they pass background checks, pay a fine and have jobs, a level of support far greater than among the general public (68%). Among Latinos, about eight-in-ten (82%) of the native born and nine-in-ten (90%) of the foreign born say they support providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants." - Pew Hispanic Center 2010 Study"

"not all Hispanic voters support amnesty. Of Hispanic voters, 37% of Hispanics supported deporting illegal immigrants rather than fining them and than giving them a pathway to citizenship. So the pro-immigration Hispanics vote in 2008 was only 5.4% of the total vote."

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/05/hispanic-voters-are-few-compared-to.html
08:19 AM on 08/23/2011
The Roman Catholic Church's published stratagem for promoting and protecting illegal immigration as an organized army of invasion and conquest is openly published and available for all patriot Americans, regardless of ethnic inheritance, to read:

“National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry," Publication / Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, No. 199-7, ISBN-13: 978-1555861995
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
06:54 PM on 08/22/2011
People. PLEASE!
There are immigration discussions going on all over the world right now. Perhaps Mr. Palacios should have pointed out that we are one of few where foreigners try to use "race" as a central issue. Mostly arguments are origin and culture. It's happening on all occupied continents.
Asia: http://www.dailypioneer.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=362363&URLName;=Silent-invasion-of-India
Australia: http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201108/3299398.htm?desktop
Europe: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/August/Culture-Crisis-Norway-Tackles-Muslim-Immigration-/
Africa: http://www.bulawayo24.com/index-id-news-sc-africa-byo-6717-article-South+African+defence+to+assist+in+documenting+Zimbabweans.html
Singapore: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/22/uk-singapore-curry-idUSLNE77L01020110822
There are people from virtually every nation in the world in the USA.
The issue has little to do with race or nationality and everything to do with arrival and permissions to be here. Coming to a society based on laws, they are expected to obey those laws. American citizens hide in the shadows as much as any illegal immigrant. They broke the law.
Fairness dictates nobody rights to ignore the law because of color. Demanding such is asking too much.
If "race" is all you've got, you don't have much of a case in a nation where the law applies equally. Our laws may need some updating, but racial exclusion is "off the table".
That is a major thrust of the article.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
02:56 PM on 08/22/2011
I was the first to comment on this article. It's funny to me that so many posters would then demand that the issue be discussed strictly from the point of view of "ethnic identity."
None of our present or proposed laws say anything about race or ethnicity. Some other countries explicitly include in their immigration laws provisions the prevent anyone coming in to try to change their ethnic or cultural identity. This includes one just south of the US border.
In America, the laws apply to everyone from everywhere. They are sacrosanct and to ask that they be changed for mostly just one ethnicity or skin color is deeply offensive.
Many people fought for years to eliminate racism in our laws and many Americans lost their lives in doing so.
But we're not the only country with illegal immigration problems. The world over, people decide that they have a right to go to another country without permission, often because it is comparatively easy.
(http://www.dailypioneer.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=362363&URLName;=Silent-invasion-of-India )
Yes there are racists in this country. But we have more people of different colors here than any nation on Earth. The quicker we disallow ethnicity as a point of discussion, the further this debate might get.
If you want to be an American, forget about what color you are, what language you speak or where you're from and discuss it as an American.
The primary starting point for most Americans is "fairness".
03:21 PM on 08/22/2011
I find it ironic as well. I appreciate your comment(s).
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
04:07 PM on 08/22/2011
You're a smart man. You deserve some fans. So, F&F.;
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CrestedSparrow
06:17 PM on 08/22/2011
Sounds great as long as "American" means what exactly?
01:27 PM on 08/22/2011
Not all Hispanics think the same? Who would have thought?
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AntonioSaucedo
12:27 PM on 08/22/2011
Two issues:

There's no consensus among Hispanics because there's not one Hispanic experience and background. (BTW, no such thing as a Hispanic race either, so claims of racism are suspect). I'd like to see a breakdown based on communities or at least states. I assume the results from South Florida, East LA and the Bronx would be very different.

As for the late S. Huntington: He asks: Will the United States remain a country with a single national language and a core Anglo-Protestant culture?

This is offensive not only to Hispanics, but to anyone who knows a little bit about nation and nationality. It is sadly 19th-century to view a nation as a monolithic and static entity. SH wasn't thinking as an scholar but as a nationalist ideologue when he posed this rhetorical question.
11:06 AM on 08/22/2011
This issue, unfortunately is colored by race and it is hard to have meaningful conversation or debate with Latinos regarding illegal immigration.

The reality is that there are valid reasons for immigration laws and that sovereign borders are integral to any modern nation.

The reality is that the majority of illegal immigration is Latino and the point of entry is along the south-western border.

The reality is that if it were 1 million illegal immigrants of Jamaican descent, if it were 1 million illegal immigrants of Vietnamese descent, if it were 1 million illegal immigrants of Ethiopian descent, streaming across the border every year, Latinos would feel no connection to the issue and would condemn them.

This is the hypocricy of making it a racial equality issue. What of the tens of thousands of Iraqis seeking war refuge and are denied admittance due to legal immigration constraints? Or the Somalians escaping rape and famine, who do not have the luxury of being on our border? Or the Chinese who seek to escape forced abortions and poverty?

If you wish for unfettered immigration of Latinos, I can understand that, but don't pretend to be taking some higher moral ground. There are people around the world, waiting to come to the United States legally, who are live their life in constant fear, danger, hunger.
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rubbercow
Disagreement does not = hate.
11:22 AM on 08/22/2011
Excellent post. Fanned and Fav'd.
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intellectualTradition
corruptisima re publica plurimae leges
11:28 AM on 08/22/2011
outstanding post
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picodegallo54
10:49 AM on 08/22/2011
you can use all the logical rhetoric you want. in the end, it's all about race. that's the filter no one wants to face head on, because once they do, they might have to admit something about themselves that they vehemently deny in public. the philosophy and the funding of the architects of arizona's laws are public record. (can you say "eugenics?") obama's election was the match that lit the fires of racism and fear that is now dominating this country. yet, his administration proudly points out that they have deported or incarcerated more brown people than the previous administration, in record numbers! what we are seeing now is one last attempt to hold onto majority status and privilege. take your best shot. (there is no doubt in my mind that some of you intend to do just that...)
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rubbercow
Disagreement does not = hate.
10:58 AM on 08/22/2011
I respectfully disagree with your assessment. To be sure, there are some out there who fear other races - I will not argue that. However, I believe that there are many people who take issue with illegal immigration because it is contrary to their belief that the US is supposed to stand for fair play with the Law playing the role of equalizer. Granted, it does not function perfectly but it does function better than in most other countries. The fact that a group could break the law (yes, I know it is a civil infraction, blah, blah, blah) and then arrogantly demand rights is deeply offensive to a great part of our society. You may try and dress it up as being based solely upon race, but you would be missing the mark.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
03:22 PM on 08/22/2011
Please show me any statute that in American law where it indicates that it applies to any particular ethnicity. America fought for years to make sure that our laws were applied equally to everyone and many people died in those struggles. Even the new laws in states take pains to avoid alluding to "race".
The people who are locked up are there because they violated the laws. The "record number of brown people" who are deported is because it is convenient for Mexicans and South Americans (who mostly happen to be "brown") to cross the border without permission. That means MOST of the people here illegally are from there.
To demand that race be considered as permission to ignore any law would set everything back in this nation fifty years.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
10:03 AM on 08/22/2011
Totally left out of article ~ Legal Filter

5. Is is againist The Soveriegn Laws of the United States of America, to "Improperly Enter by Alien"

U.S.C. 8 § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
02:22 PM on 08/22/2011
Actually, he did cover that one in the "fairness filter".
Here, we believe in the law as the great equalizer because it applies to everyone form everywhere.
As was said below, there are people from everywhere of all colors who would have more reason to escape the horrors of their own nation to the US but they don't have the luxury of living on the US southern border.
09:23 AM on 08/22/2011
It would be useful if hard data is provided regarding the different groups tan comprise the so called latinos. It is my personal experience that most Puerto Ricans are not very supportive of Latinos immigrants, legal or not, given the animosity most of the Latino immigrants show towards these "colonials" as they call them. Just go to schools or institutons where non Puerto Ricans Latinos work and hear what they say about Puerto Ricans and you will get a different picture regarding this so called identity. Also, with such large numbers of Dominicans, Cubans, Argentinians immigrating to the islands of Puerto Rico and the perception that they work for less money, displacing the native laborers and you will undestand the reaction of Puerto Ricans to the Latino immigrants.
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10:07 PM on 08/21/2011
American latinos rise up against the illegals taking your jobs, let them know they need to enter this country the legal and respectful manner. Take action !
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Dan Vasquez
My micro-bio is Open-Source
12:16 AM on 08/22/2011
They are not taking our jobs, outsourcing is.
01:26 AM on 08/22/2011
Well...deregulate.....and they will return
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:10 AM on 08/22/2011
But Obama is handing out work permits to hundreds of thousands of illegals - doesn't that affect your job situation?

Seems like the LEGAL immigrants and citizens (Hispanic and others) would be up in arms about this. Those who have played by the rules, paid their fees, waited patiently for the opportunity to enter the U.S. legally are being slapped in the face - and that goes for ANY legal immigrant, from ANY country.
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SuperMex
01:12 AM on 08/22/2011
After all the crap you've pulled for the past 235 years, I think it's fair to say that your credibility is shot.

CactusChris, you conveniently want American Latins to rise up against other American Latins. Your request is very interesting although hardly patriotic.

Here is a partial list of reasons why your credibility shot!

Between 75,000 and 150,000 Babies, Children, Women and Men massacred: By a White Men. Does not include diseases. Ref. Bureau of Indian Affairs

Between 20,000 and 23,000 African American lynched and murdered: By a White Man. Ref. African American Museum.

During the period of 1825 and 1932, between 2,000 and 3,000 Chicanos were lynched and murdered. Ref. Smithsonian National Museum of American History.

Terrorist attack on Oklahoma City: 168 people killed: by Timothy James McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Both White Men.
10:19 AM on 08/22/2011
Talk about ignorant, emotionally-charged racism which obscures the issue on the table!
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rubbercow
Disagreement does not = hate.
10:51 AM on 08/22/2011
I must not be following you. Are you saying that Indians and Latinos have never committed any kind of atrocity? I hope that is not what you are saying because to hold that position would be silly.
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massjim
Dem? Repub? Is there a difference?
05:03 PM on 08/21/2011
Great article. You might suggest that The Nation Council of The Race ( La Raza ) change it's name in order to help avoid overstating the Ethnic Identity Filter you mention!
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WILLIEMOJORISIN
USN 1978-1984
12:43 AM on 08/22/2011
La Raza has a saying "all for us nothing for anybody else"
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
10:19 AM on 08/22/2011
Great Article ~ missing the most important "filters"

5. The Law Filter

6. Environmental Filter

of illegal immigration
02:01 AM on 08/21/2011
This article tries to give a balanced feeling of the thoughts of Hispanics. But it forgets on thing. Non-Hispanics have a say in what happens to our country as well. To forget that they should have a say in the acceptablilty of Illegal Immigration is pure bias.
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SuperMex
08:49 PM on 08/21/2011
That is true Norski but so is the reciprocal. Latins have their say in what happens to our country as well.

Just want to remind you we have been fighting our countries war since the American Revolution.
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Winter Skye
Spiritual being not human doing
11:39 PM on 08/21/2011
Um...but do Mexicans EVER fight against their homeland? Well yes, after the election of Calderon, there were plenty of those who went to the capital and camped out in protest of the results. But the Mexicans who come here illegally seem to save all their rebellious energy for the USA. WTF is up with that??? And then insult to injury, they have the nerve to wave Mexican flags in their labor protests.
04:21 PM on 08/22/2011
SuperMex - You need not remind me, it is many of those who support illegal immigration by claiming it is a "Latino Issue" that you should be reminding. After all, it is they who want to deny a say in this issue to all other Americans. Latinos only, other Americans not allowed is as bad and distasteful as Whites Only, Black-Americans not allowed.
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CrestedSparrow
08:16 PM on 08/22/2011
Have you been asleep? Non-Hispanics have been quite vocal for the past few years and only gaining more traction in their anti-Hispanic campaigns. Time to wake up and smell the coffee, jump on the band wagon, or whatever it is that you do.