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17 February 2012

Assad supporters in Damascus

Syrian security: can Bashar prevail?

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Clive Williams

Clive Williams

The US and Israel see regime change as a way of containing Iran and Hezbollah.

And it would be surprising if they were not covertly arming the Syrian opposition groups - but as was the case with Iraq, Libya and Egypt, the reality of post-regime outcomes may prove much less attractive to their interests than what was there before.

The US seems particularly adept at pursuing short-term outcomes that result in disastrous long-term consequences.

Ironically, today's turbulent situation has its roots in the period since 1949 when Syrian democracy was overturned by a CIA-sponsored right-wing coup. Following a further coup in 1963, the Alawite-dominated Ba'ath Party came to power. Since then, the Ba'ath Party has been the dominant authority in Syria. The country remained politically unstable until 1970 when Alawite Defence Minister Hafez al-Assad seized power and declared himself president.

Hafez al-Assad soon banned all opposition. In 1982, at the height of a six-year Islamist insurgency throughout the country, he ruthlessly suppressed a Sunni uprising at the city of Hama, now known as the Hama massacre, which left at least 20,000 dead. Since then, other smaller uprisings involving members of the Muslim Brotherhood and other anti-regime elements have been brutally suppressed.

Hafez al-Assad died in 2000 and was succeeded by his son, Bashar al-Assad. Bashar was appointed after a constitutional amendment lowering the age requirement for president from 40 to his age of 34.

Bashar al-Assad speaks fluent English and has a British-born wife, which initially inspired a climate of reform - known as the Damascus Spring. The Damascus Spring ended in August 2001 with the arrest and imprisonment of 10 leading activists who had called for democratic elections and a campaign of civil disobedience. Since then, promises to introduce reforms have not resulted in any significant changes.

The current uprising dates back to a public demonstration linked to the Arab Spring on January 26, 2011, when Hasan Ali Akleh doused himself with petrol and self-immolated. Mass protests began at Daraa on March 15 and the security situation has deteriorated since then. As the situation increasingly got out of hand, the regime deployed its security forces to use all available means to crush the uprising.

The international media has portrayed the events in Syria as "vulnerable civilians or freedom fighters being butchered by ruthless regime forces", and this picture has been well supported by the victims' mobile phone images. Even so, the Assad regime still attracts considerable support from non-Sunnis and the Syrian diaspora.

From as early as March 2011, large crowds have rallied in Syria in support of Assad, especially in the cities of Damascus, Aleppo, Tartous, and Lattakia, and these rallies have increased since the suspension of Syria from the Arab League. Support rallies have also occurred in Australia. There is widespread recognition that while the Assad regime is autocratic and ruthless in dealing with dissent, Syria is still a sectarian state. Much of the population fears it could be worse-off if radical Sunnis gain power, and Syria becomes a fundamentalist Islamic state.

Religion is the key factor in the current unrest. Syria's 22 million population is 74 per cent Sunni Muslim (which includes Turks and most Kurds), 12 per cent Alawite (a mystical Shia group centred in Syria), 10 per cent Christian, and 4 per cent other Muslim groups - mainly Shia and Druze. The majority of the 18 million Syrian diaspora are Christians of the Eastern Orthodox Churches and Eastern Rite Churches.

The Syrian armed forces number about 300,000 active duty personnel and about the same number of reservists. Of the 200,000 or so career soldiers in the Syrian army, 140,000 are Alawite, while 80 per cent of the officers are Alawite. The military's elite divisions, the Republican Guard and the 4th Mechanized Division, commanded by Bashar's brother, are exclusively Alawite. Most of Syria's 300,000 conscripts are Sunni - a regime vulnerability if it uses them to suppress fellow Sunnis.

Syria's main arms suppliers have traditionally been non-Western - Russia, Belarus, Iran, China and North Korea.

The armed forces successfully suppressed the Sunni uprising in the 1970s and 80s, mostly notably in Hama. Since last year they have been deployed with the security police to contain uprisings in many Syrian cities. Soldiers who refuse to fire on demonstrators have reportedly been summarily executed.

In addition to the formal regime forces there are the Shabeeha – Alawite militias of armed men in civilian clothing who assault and kill protesters. They are believed to include members of the security forces, criminals and thugs. Much of the random street killing of demonstrators has been carried out by Shabeeha militias.

Turning now to the armed opposition; these are the "gangs of armed terrorists" the government often refers to. Syrians have been crossing the border to Lebanon and Turkey to buy weapons on the black market since the beginning of the uprising. The main Sunni Muslim centres of unrest – Daraa near Jordan, where the uprising began; Talkalakh, Homs, Talbiseh, and Al-Rastan near Lebanon; and Jisr ash-Shugur near Turkey have engaged in cross-border arms smuggling for generations. The armed opposition operating in urban areas have been quite effective so far, with more than 1,200 members of the Syrian security forces killed.

In late July 2011, the armed opposition was joined by defectors from the Syrian Army who proclaimed the formation of a "Free Syrian Army" (FSA). They called on Syrian soldiers and officers to defect to their ranks, and said the purpose of the FSA was to defend protesters from violence by the state. The current conflict has seen many Syrian military personnel defect to the opposition - possibly as many as 25,000. As deserting soldiers abandoned their armoured vehicles and brought only light weaponry and munitions, the FSA has also adopted guerrilla-style tactics inside cities. Its main target has been the Shabeeha militias.

There is also a range of international actors with a variety of interests.

Al Qaeda in Iraq (a Sunni organisation) has had a support infrastructure in Syria since 2003, and has been told by new AQ leader Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri to become more involved in support of the Sunnis. It is probably responsible for the recent deadly vehicle bomb attacks targeting Syria's security forces.

Iran, being Shia, supports regional Shia groups, and has for many years supported the Assad regime and the Lebanese Hezbollah through Syria. It is not in Iran's interest for a Sunni-dominated regime to emerge in Syria. Iran is reportedly assisting the Syrian government with riot control equipment, intelligence monitoring techniques, oil supply, and hundreds (possibly thousands) of Quds force volunteers.

The Arab League is Sunni-dominated and would like to see a Sunni regime in Damascus - but is wary of the Arab Spring knock-on effects on vulnerable members like Bahrain. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are said to be manoeuvring behind the scenes to bring in a Wahhabi regime in Syria.

Russia has been constant in its support for the Assad regime - its closest and most important ally in the Middle East. The port of Tartous still hosts a Soviet-era Russian naval supply and maintenance base, giving Russia a foothold in the Mediterranean. In May 2010, president Dmitry Medvedev was the first Russian head of state to visit Syria, where he cemented political and economic ties between the two countries. Russia is now Syria's largest supplier of arms, contributing 65 per cent of Syria's weapons.

China has significant trade relations with Syria, worth nearly $2.2 billion a year according to figures from the International Monetary Fund. The trade, however, is almost entirely one-way in China's favour. China is also actively involved in Syria's oil industry.

At the UN, Russia and China blocked international involvement in Syria to protect their interests. They are still smarting at losing out in Libya. They abstained over NATO intervention on humanitarian grounds, and subsequently lost access to Libya's oil wealth. They will not make that same mistake again.

Western European governments remain reluctant to become involved, hence their preference to work through sanctions and the largely ineffective Arab League and UN – which conveniently allows the blame for the rising death toll to be heaped on Russia and China. Australia is part of this ensemble – large on rhetoric, but doing nothing substantive.

Clive Williams is an Adjunct Professor at Macquarie University's Centre for Policing, Intelligence and Counter Terrorism, and a Visiting Professor at the ANU's Australian Centre for Military Law and Security. View his full profile here.

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  • Doug Quixote :

    17 Feb 2012 7:41:06pm

    It would be nice if democratic regimes resulted from the Arab Spring, but the reality is that authoritarian secular regimes are being replaced by authoritarian regimes with significant Islamist tendencies.

    If Assad is toppled, do not expect democracy to break out - more likely some sort of civil war between Sunni and Shiite factions will set in. The result will probably be like going from the frying pan into the fire.

      • Feet Slipper :

        17 Feb 2012 8:43:37pm

        Maybe even another world war, if Iran's leader, God, truly gets the nuclear bomb?

          • Filz :

            17 Feb 2012 9:46:04pm

            Feet - please, please, please understand one thing:

            The Iranians say they don't have a nuclear bomb.
            The Russians say the Iranians don't have a bomb.
            The Chinese say the Iranians don't have a bomb.
            The Americans say the Iranians don't have a bomb.
            The Israelis admit the Iranians don't have a bomb.
            The IAEC say the Iranians don't have a bomb.

            Even if the Iranians did have a nuclear weapon, unitil they use it, they are peaceful. Same as the Israelis.

  • the yank :

    17 Feb 2012 5:28:37pm

    Clive you are an Australian treasure.

    A journalist that can write an informed interesting article without taking sides, thanks and please keep it up.

    It is hard to see this ending in Syria and even harder to say whether the West or the East will be wearing a smile after the dust settles.

    If Syria falls then is Iran next? Will this also impact on Afghanistan and Pakistan? Are the negotiations with the Taliban somehow connected?

    Fascinating time to live and be a historian.

  • sea mendez :

    17 Feb 2012 4:50:43pm

    I don't like the way Williams outlines the alterior motives of each of US, Russia and China. Much better if he puts black and white hats on each party. in future please nominate who is the baddy and who is the goody.

  • Mike :

    17 Feb 2012 4:13:23pm

    Interesting piece on Syria. Although I must dispute the fact that religion is the only important factor as this does not reflect the reality on the ground. Just in case you had not noticed over 10% of the population are Kurds who have mostly stayed away from the opposition because of its arab nationalist and religious extremeist views. The Kurdish issue is the primary reason why turkey is hesitant to engage and all its foreign policy is developed around contained the Kurds so that it can continue to oppress its own 20 million Kurds.

  • Jani :

    17 Feb 2012 3:52:01pm

    Today's Australian had an interesting opinion piece by Anne-Marie Slaughter on how Turkey should play a more significant role by allowing greater flexibility along its border with Syria to offer protection and support to the Syrian rebels.

      • Budovski :

        17 Feb 2012 4:16:00pm

        Nice in theory but given Turkish hostility to Syria and aggressive damning of waterways and open warfare with the Kurds, I can't imagine any Syrian (Pro or Anti Assad) would would think that their intentions were genuine.

        Turkey has spent the last 40 years murdering its own people (the Kurds) and has a history of ethnically cleansing an entire people form its lands (Armenians) and they won't even admit it.

        I'd suggest Turkey but out of Syria's affairs and sort out their own.

          • Fred :

            17 Feb 2012 5:00:54pm

            Exactly. Turkey is in no position to lecture anyone. "Hey everyone, look at Gaza and Syria while we bomb the Kurds into oblivion."

              • sinbad :

                17 Feb 2012 5:14:42pm

                But Turkey is a US ally and so your not allowed to criticize them.

      • Mike :

        17 Feb 2012 6:19:57pm

        Turkish entry into Syria would only result in one certainty: that they will burn kurdish villages and kill thousands more Kurds! Please no Turkish entry into Syria, haven't the Kurds suffered enough?

  • R.Ambrose Raven :

    17 Feb 2012 2:26:03pm

    Note how little focus there is on the most essential issue. What of the people, their economy, and the outcomes? What should be the most important issue is so rarely mentioned in these articles. We have this fascination with the power of action, reaction and destruction.

    Economic consequences – of sanctions as well as conflict – is the currency and economy weakening, extra taxes, a ban on car imports, and collapse of the valuable tourism industry (losing some £5bn in annual revenues).

    As in Indonesia under Soeharto, it seems that Assad has replaced most of the senior decisionmakers of his father's time not with competent managers, or at least technocrats, but with a new generation of kleptocrats. True power belongs to the president's family and other members of his Alawi clan.

    Even worse, from 2006 Assad - very very foolishly - sought to meet the usual neoliberal demands, being measures to “encourage” (i.e. subsidise and buy) investment, enhance free trade, and liberalise prices. Syria’s tenth five-year plan was - very very foolishly - to complete the transition from a socialist to a "social market" economy. While the business class naturally supported Assad for favouring their interests over that of the Syrian people, equally naturally some have been buying favour with the opposition.

    As in Singapore, or Iraq under Saddam, most Syrians accept a long-standing trade-off: stability, security and a decent standard of living in return for not openly criticising the government. After all, American and Israeli militarism – and the disinterest of such powers in the rule of just international law – has made the Middle East a region plagued by rampant insecurity, sectarianism, and foreign intervention.

    But, while the IMF expects the Syrian economy to contract by 2% this year, that is much better than Greece, also a victim of Western neo-colonialism, but in a different category, and Portugal and not significantly worse than Japan. Note in passing the gross inadequacy of GDP as a measure of a nation.

    East Timor, Iraq, Libya, and Eastern Europe and the former USSR are all examples of societies in which no thought was given to the problems of transition, precisely because of the arrogance and the preconceived but very wrong ideas both about the nature of the existing society and about the values of its various groups. There isn’t any interest in doing any better this time either, but we should try.

  • Fred :

    17 Feb 2012 2:08:32pm

    It's good to have some sensible discussion on Syria.

    I must say the oft-repeated phrase "Syria is attacking its own people" is misleading at best. The government is fighting an armed insurgency.

      • JoeBloggs :

        17 Feb 2012 2:42:38pm

        You mean the Syrian regime is fighting an armed uprising by Syrians concerned at the way the Syrian regime slaughtered unarmed protesters and was/is abducting and torturing many thousands more who were/are making calls to progress towards a democratic nation?

        Or is that part all ok?

        So it's ok to kill people if they want to be free from a dictatorship and voice that opinion?

          • sinbad :

            17 Feb 2012 5:18:24pm

            How you can call a guy with an anti tank missile unarmed is beyond me.

      • Anon :

        17 Feb 2012 3:36:47pm

        "The government is fighting an armed insurgency."

        Actually, that is misleading at best. The dictatorship is fighting a public uprising.

          • sinbad :

            17 Feb 2012 5:22:39pm

            Assad should do what the US would do, bomb Homs into dust.

            Alternatively he could pay the Libyan militias to visit Homs, they actually seem to enjoy their work.

              • Anon :

                17 Feb 2012 5:48:56pm

                "Assad should do what the US would do, bomb Homs into dust."

                That's a little unfair. I could never imagine the US shelling one of their own cities like Syria currently is.

              • Eric the Echidna :

                17 Feb 2012 7:07:33pm

                Anon; "That's a little unfair. I could never imagine the US shelling one of their own cities like Syria currently is."

                Perhaps under certain circumstances such as some US states rebelling against Federal rule. One might see such results as Vicksburg, Atlanta, Charleston, Richmond ...

  • Harquebus :

    17 Feb 2012 2:05:20pm

    Can Bashar prevail? Why not, Mugabe does.

  • Filz :

    17 Feb 2012 1:59:45pm

    The second article on Syria in two days! A bit of an improvement from the usual drone "More civilians killed in Homs" that we usually get from our media. News editors take note!

    "DEBKAfile" reported on 13 February 2012 (and I'm paraphrasing) that up to 1,500 Al Qaeda jihadists may now have transited/left Iraq and are in Syria, fighting against the Assad regime. Some of these may have come from Pakistan, following an Al Qaeda "call to arms". Saudi Arabia is reported to have largely funded this movement of personnel and provided additional funds by way of general support in the fight against the Assad government.

    Again according to "DEBKAfile", there are now Syrians, Egyptians, Libyans, Mauritanians, Pakistanis, Lebanese and Palestinians all in Syria, fighting the government there. Can't be many "protesters" left.

    Also of interest - only slightly - is a result of the recent visit by China's Wen Jiabao to King Abdallah of Saudi Arabial, as reported in the press in the middle east on 20 January 2012. Part of the reason for the Chinese visit was to hedge its bets in light of the sanctions on Iran, given that China takes about 18-20% of Iranian oil. The Chinese have done a deal with the Saudis to access Saudi oil "in return for Chinese assistance in building a Saudi nuclear weapon program.". Note the word "weapon".

    Just what the world needed at a time like this.


      • Dave Mac :

        17 Feb 2012 2:38:45pm

        Filz said:
        "in return for Chinese assistance in building a Saudi nuclear weapon program."

        Seriously, do you have a link for that?
        Thanks.

          • sinbad :

            17 Feb 2012 5:27:00pm

            The source is DEBKAfile. They are an Israeli disinformation outlet. Worth a laugh they have some amazing conspiracy theories.

      • kenj :

        17 Feb 2012 3:09:49pm

        "A bit of an improvement from the usual drone "More civilians killed in Homs" that we usually get from our media. News editors take note!"

        We saw an egregious example of this in last Sunday's Channel 7 breakfast show. Keith Sutter was ok, but the show hosts were appalling: outraged over Assad, lacking any knowledge other than media headlines, yet certain of his wickedness and the rightness of the insurgents. What led the piece was an internet phone video of a local pleading desperately about government forces: "they are killing us." It was as if Assad was herding his own people into gas chambers. The show hosts emoted on cue.

        Had Channel 7 done any homework (they normally don't) then they would have found that:

        1. Recent CNN media reports allegedly showing satellite images of alleged Assad attacks using heavy weapons were not recording attacks into insurgent areas of the city of Homs but in the Baba Amr neighborhood, southwest of the city, and an anti-regime stronghold -- which supports the claim made by pro-Assad groups that insurgency forces have been using heavy weaponry against them, a claim regularly discounted by Western media and political commentators.

        2. Official US government satellite images allegedly showing the Assad military firing heavy guns into insurgent neighborhoods. Bloggers using satellite technology have exposed that the official US images were in fact “of guns training within military barracks or well known training areas and not in active deployment.”

        (see Sharmine Narwani: "High-Tech Trickery in Homs?" 16 Feb)

        We are getting seriously distorted media reports on Syria -- propaganda. Not good enough on the part of our MSM, especially the commercial end of the industry which uncritically parrots anything the US war machine throws their way.

  • prison :

    17 Feb 2012 1:00:09pm

    Great story and very informative. Personally I disagree with any intervention in Syria for a few reasons:

    1. I dont trust the motivation of the UN and US. It seems favourable for them to deal with Syria if they intend to move on to Iran next and the media propaganda seems to support this.

    2. After his interview with Barbera Walters, I am convinced that despite the deaths and the harshness of their military in controlling the sunni's, he has a genuine plan to move the country towards democracy

    3. recently a reporter entered Syria and reported that it was life as usual for the majority of the country. IF anything it appeared that the majority of support was behind Assad - if this is the case, then he should be assisted to keep the country under control from terrorists such as Al Qaeda who support the 'rebels'. why has UN/US suddenly changed sides here?

    4. China and Russia's support is not only because of vested financial interests. IF the west pushes its control closer to the border and only Iran is left then it is a threat to them. Also, they appear to be taking the stance of peacekeeper - let the country find its own path. Surely a few thousand deaths to regain control is better than the hundreds of thousands of deaths and costs to infrastructure that could easily result from US intervention (assumption based on precedent).

    When the media pushes a certain stance so heavily, you know something is up - all of the one sided coverage amounts to public manipulation and propaganda (again, look at the many precedents). Generally if you question mainstream media, and investigate the opposite perspective to that which we are fed, you are more likely to find the right path in my opinion.

    Anyway, once again good article. I think there is a few untruths but generally almost non-biased which is great to see.

      • JoeBloggs :

        17 Feb 2012 2:46:41pm

        I see the reasons for the support being offered to the embattled Syrian dictatorship now is that he is fighting Al Qaeda's fighters who are just now arriving in Syria.

        I take it you have been hiding under a rock for the last few months?

        or have you just conveniently forgotten about the 'Arab Spring' and the pro-democracy protests all across Syria which were harshly put down, not to mention the many thousands of deaths and thousands more in prisions 'enjoying' their daily torture?

        Oh your humanity is overwhelming.....

          • Budovski :

            17 Feb 2012 4:24:00pm

            Seriously though, why is the West supporting Al Qaeda now? We just spent 10 years and a trillion dollars fighting these nut cases now we are gifting them countries and using them as a mercenary army. Are the US simply insane? Or do they hold us in such contempt that they think its ok to do it? They have not even try to deny it, they are openly using Al Qaeda to take on their enemies in Libya and now Syria and Iran.

            Sorry but I'd prefer to have Assad or Ahmadinejad any day over Bin Laden style Whabbhism...

  • Dave Mac :

    17 Feb 2012 12:42:09pm

    Seems to me that should the uprising in Syria be successful enough to destablise the regime, Iran might be pushed even more quickly to producing a bomb by gavalising factions.
    This would counter the Israeli position as well as increasing it's influence.
    Just my thoughts.

  • Jack of All Tradies :

    17 Feb 2012 12:17:29pm

    My understanding is that interms of internal governance Syria was making some progress towards a more open political system. The threat they pose is contained in Assads relationships to Hezbolah/Hamas and Iran.

    The magoristy of Syrian people would appear not to be welcoming the prospect of an Islamist victory or a continued conflict and the chaos that will bring.

    The best deal for the west would be to offer Assad some support conditional on ending his support for Iran, putting the Hamas/Hezbolah leadership in Syria against the wall and ceasing to interfer with and threaten the Lebanese and Israelis.

    The King of Jordan was subject to the much same choice when he had the to deal with troublsome Palistinians who wanted Jordan to be a launching point for attacks on his western neighbour. Offered respect and co-operation from the west he kicked out the PLO, made some limited democratic reforms and has lead a largely peaceful constructive nation since.

      • Filz :

        17 Feb 2012 2:02:46pm

        "..offer Assad some support conditional on ending his support for Iran...".

        Hmm, I hardly think so. If you were the little brother in a stoush and you needed your big brother, would you go out of your way to upset him? Don't forget that some big brothers have even bigger brothers, in this case, Russia.

          • JoeBloggs :

            17 Feb 2012 2:47:33pm

            You got there in the end Filz.

            This is not about Syria or Iran... but about Russia.

      • Budovski :

        17 Feb 2012 4:29:39pm

        A logical suggestion but the Saudis want Bin Laden inspired Whabbism installed. Not democracy.

  • Mark :

    17 Feb 2012 11:38:28am

    Iran has shown that toppling a bad regime often results in a worse one being installed.
    Egypt and Libya are likely to demonstrate the same principle.
    All too often these new regimes will have a winner takes all approach especially with regards to religion. I would not want to be a christian in these countries.

  • R.Ambrose Raven :

    17 Feb 2012 11:15:25am

    Indeed “The US seems particularly adept at pursuing short-term outcomes that result in disastrous long-term consequences.”

    But blood and treasure is not a concern for Imperial America’s ruling class. Clearly the costs and losses of the Iraq debacle (with its 1.4 million dead) did nothing to sate the bloodlust of the militarists and warmongers, precisely because they see the wealth of Australia and the US as nothing more than a piggy bank, to be robbed whenever they wish to launch their latest Crusade, the people who generate that wealth to be left to deteriorating health, social welfare and housing as the lords of the manor sacrifice nations to their megalomania.

    Above all, those vicious killers wish to demonstrate their impunity – that they can expropriate us and our wealth for any orgy of slaughter and destruction of their choice, in our name, and endorsed by our democratic process. Mass murders and war criminals Bush, Blair, and Joward were all re-elected. Not only is little said by Imperial America’s representatives of the waste of Iraq, they are under no pressure whatever to account for the disaster, let alone even the most mild apology.

    There are increasing reports that the West is doing much to arm the Syrian insurrectionists, and has been doing so for months. As with Libya, the media (SMH on this case) line is that “The unprecedented movement against Mr Assad's 11-year rule has been spearheaded by peaceful demonstrators but, in recent months, deserters have organised themselves into a Free Syrian Army that has inflicted growing losses on the regular armed forces.” A shallow view.

    As in Libya, Western powers will be literally arming, training, and organizing the very same jihadists who just a few years earlier were killing American troops in Iraq, including those formally declared as terrorists by Imperial America.

      • aletheia :

        17 Feb 2012 7:08:55pm

        One should beware of generalisations; sometimes when I say 'all' I mean 'most,' or at least 'regime leaders:' Arabs/Muslims may be their own worst enemies - they 'allow' themselves to be divided in order to be ruled (in realpolitik terms, 'viciously exploited.')

        Williams' 2nd last para is apposite, it exposes the West's motivation = plunder (by all means including invasion & murdering theft.) That armed & dangerous foreign agents are entering Syria via Turkey and Iraq, say, is publicly acknowledged; that's called aggressive alien subversion.

        In the run-up to the Iraq outrage we saw how 'the West' regimes lie, and the corrupt & venal MSM echoes and actively assist. The same m.o. was repeated in Libya, same result = vital infrastructure destroyed & country back to stone-age. Odd that the predominant economic system seems to rely on Nuremberg-class crimes to function? The UN has *no* validity whatsoever; that was lost long ago, namely between UNGA181 and Plan Dalet. What the world needs is justice, what we get is criminal rip-offs. Nothing new to see here; move on.

  • blax5 :

    17 Feb 2012 11:13:40am

    You write: 'The US seems particularly adept at pursuing short-term outcomes that result in disastrous long-term consequences.'

    Yes, Tehran 1953, re-installation of the Pahlavi Shah, 26 years of bliss in Iran. We are now in the 33rd year of the long-term consequences, no end in sight, only war and destruction. Congratulations.

  • dubious the third :

    17 Feb 2012 11:04:04am

    It seems to be the secular leaders in the Middle East are the first slated for regime change. The most secular were Iraq and Libya, were.

      • worrierqueen :

        17 Feb 2012 11:41:32am

        I loved that the first laws that 'free' Libya passed were the introduction of sharia law and polygamy (well polygamy for men anyway). I'm sure the women of Libya are ecstatic about their new-found freedom to become second class citizens.

          • Pedro :

            17 Feb 2012 4:07:00pm

            We have not heard a squeak from the rats who supported the invasion of Libya lately. Come on Kevin Rudd you were the loudest squeaker!
            Of course it hardly makes sense to celebrate the overthrow of another secular government in the Middle East and the installation of a another backward looking Shia government.

  • Feet Slipper :

    17 Feb 2012 9:59:55am

    A good lecture, Clive.

  • Peter Schmidt :

    17 Feb 2012 9:53:08am

    Did the torture in Lybia stop or intensify? Is there still free education or health care?
    According to an Oxford sponsored survey Lybians prefer a strong head of state instead of the natioal council. The survey also showed that Lybians are prepared to wait a year for things to be as good as it was under Gadaffi economically, if not they take to the streets again.

      • Pedro :

        17 Feb 2012 4:07:54pm

        They may as well start now as things will only get worse, as evidenced by Iraq.

  • Daniel :

    17 Feb 2012 9:11:50am

    We need more of these despot dictators to fall.

  • Susanna :

    17 Feb 2012 8:44:34am

    Great article, but I think the word you are looking for in the context of the below paragraph is 'secular', not 'sectarian':

    There is widespread recognition that while the Assad regime is autocratic and ruthless in dealing with dissent, Syria is still a sectarian state. Much of the population fears it could be worse-off if radical Sunnis gain power, and Syria becomes a fundamentalist Islamic state.

      • blax5 :

        17 Feb 2012 2:58:54pm

        No, the sectarian refers to the variety of religions which are the dominant factor of identification for the people, so much so they they have neighbourhoods defined by the religion of their inhabitants.

        For Jews, whe used to call that ghetto, and strictly speaking we should probably call them Alawite Ghetto, Shia Ghetto, Sunni Ghetto etc. Never been there, only assuming what I see on the box is correct.

  • Dino not to be confsed with :

    17 Feb 2012 8:41:48am

    Thank You Clive,
    An excellent, very informative article.
    I wonder if Blackwater/Xe/Acadame or whatever they are called now have any work in Syria?

  • sinbad :

    17 Feb 2012 8:31:44am

    Thank you for the thorough briefing.

    It is difficult to get a true picture of the situation from the propaganda promulgated by the media.

  • seajae :

    17 Feb 2012 8:25:50am

    china & russia are protecting a murderous regime for their own benefit, they vetoed the un security council so the answer is very obvious, let them send in their own troops to ensure this brutallity stops. They can then monitor this and stop the syrian onslaught of innocent civillians, the russian & chinese armed forces can then take responsibility for peace, it would be a win/win situation as it would stop the killings and allow the promised changes to happen while they supervised it. If china & russia are prepared to stand up for assad then they should be prepared to put themselves on the line.

      • JoeBloggs :

        17 Feb 2012 9:31:42am

        Great idea Seajae.

        The Russians & Chinese can help put down the unrest, they have great experience with that from Chechneya & Tibet.

        The Russians will also get to retain their naval base and they can continue to sell arms to Syria.

        The Chinese can also provide some instructors to assist with 'enhanced interorgation technigues' (didn't we use to call that torture), heck they can even bring some Falun Gong members along to demonstrate on. The Chinese can then also help set up some 're-education' camps for those seeking democracy. They might even be able to sell Syria some technology to help them develop their own nukes (like they have done for North Korea).

        It's a win for Russia, a win for China, and a win for the family running Syria.

        Oh an Amnesty International will get lots of new work too!