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The Chuck Hagel I Know: A Staunch Defender of Gay Rights

Posted: 12/21/2012 8:22 pm


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Senator Chuck Hagel hasn't 
spent much time at Human Rights Campaign dinners. I wish he had gone -- or better yet, had been invited by the organization to speak and share his views on gays in American life.

But the HRC has not invited him to speak and, to my knowledge, has made little effort to inquire about what his views about LGBT rights are, either of him or of gays who know him (like yours truly).

Hagel is a national leader who, in his role as co-chair of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, has been focused on key problems in synthesizing and managing national intelligence. He thinks about men and women serving the nation being put in harm's way for the wrong reasons and in wars that could have been avoided. His humanism percolates through a national-security filter -- rather than having been a gay-rights advocate who then thought about national-security questions.

But Chuck Hagel is pro-gay, pro-LGBT, pro-ending "don't ask, don't tell." The only problem is that no one asked him his views lately -- including the president of the Human Rights Campaign.

Chad Griffin, the new and brilliant HRC president, has challenged the potential defense secretary nominee because of statements Hagel made in 1998 about then-ambassador nominee James Hormel. Hagel said that Hormel as "openly, aggressively gay" should not represent the United States.

Indeed, these are worrisome words from someone 14 years ago -- but in that time period, the world has changed. It should be remembered that just two years previously, U.S. Sen. Sam Nunn -- who has done so much to rid the world of dangerous nuclear weapons related materials -- had fired two of his own staff members when he learned they were gay. He viewed them as potential national-security risks. 

Bill Clinton didn't have the same views of gays then that he does today. Nor did Sally Field, who gave a stunningly powerful talk at the HRC dinner this year, publicly embracing her gay son and LGBT rights. Another frequent HRC standout, Dustin Lance Black, the brilliant screenwriter of the movie Milk,  is off to Salt Lake City to meet with and see people whose views today may have evolved over the last 14 years but have a very long way to go, he suggested when I ran into him at Reagan National Airport. As Black said so passionately at this year's HRC dinner, gays and friends of the LGBT community need to reach out to people to et them know we are gay and yet professional, gay and yet mothers and fathers and sons and daughters, gay and yet serving this nation in battlefields and as park rangers and in community centers. But the key part of this is reaching out, asking where people are on these issues and engaging them.

To my knowledge -- and I'm pretty well-informed about all things Hagel -- this outreach did not occur with Hagel. Concerned gay people are hyperventilating that as a Republican, he might come in and undo the gains on gay rights that have been achieved in the Pentagon.

Again, I am a big fan of HRC and Chad Griffin. I have gone to the last couple of HRC dinners as the guest of the managing partner of the mega-law firm of Paul Hastings, a straight and happily married Republican who supported Mitt Romney but is steadfastly committed to human rights and to LGBT equality. Paul Hastings is the major underwriter of the HRC dinner, and I hope that Chad Griffin or the firm invite Hagel and his wife to sit at their table and have a conversation on these issues.

Had Hagel been invited, he would have told the audience that he valued each and every man and woman who chose to serve this nation, on the battlefield and in other capacities -- regardless of his or her ethnic background, sexual identity or religion. I'm not sure where Hagel stands on same-sex marriage, but I know that he supports solid legal protections for gay families and is personally supportive of gays and lesbians.

How do I know this?

Because I'm a national-security wonk who happens to be gay and who happens to have interacted with and followed Chuck Hagel for years. I have spoken directly about these issues with him over the years -- once for more than an hour by phone from the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs.  I wrote about this experience for The Washington Note, reflecting on how my partner and I, early in our relationship, had stumbled into a New Year's Eve travel package that placed us amidst 1,000 straight couples celebrating there. Each couple got a top hat and tiara. We needed two top hats. No dice. We quickly escaped the dinner and went into a lounge with a fantastic, black jazz-singing diva who invited us to sit in the front. Then, to my surprise, as I didn't really know him well, White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty and his wife hung out with us, loving the jazz, and were more embracing and warm to both of us than I had ever experienced in a straight crowd.  It just so happened that I was invited about 18 years after that night to speak at the World Affairs Council of Colorado Springs -- and staying at the Broadmoor again brought back those memories. The hotel was packed with evangelicals there for a massive Bible-study exercise.

That night Hagel and I spoke by phone, talking at length about the wars and his concerns for the country and for soldiers and their plight. We talked about his interaction with the administration. And we talked about my memories of that night at the Broadmoor nearly two decades earlier, and my own hope that "don't ask, don't tell" would end. I told him how I thought that the ongoing purges against gay translators, particularly gay Muslim translators, working on national-intelligence cables was outrageous. We talked about this stuff.

At some point Hagel may have been a supporter of "don't ask, don't tell," but as of a couple of years ago he was not. He believed that we owed more to those who were climbing up hill to fight for this nation, who were climbing up a hill to be fairly and legally committed to the ones they loved, who were climbing up a hill to be treated fairly at work and to raise children in a loving and accepting environment.

This is the Chuck Hagel I have come to know and have respected for so many years. Hagel has lunch with Vice President Biden about once a week. They don't tell others about it -- but they are best friends. Hagel once donned a Joe Biden mask in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Halloween, wearing a T-shirt labeled "Vote for Me" -- when Biden was getting ready (again) to run for president. When Biden opened the door on Meet the Press on gay marriage -- saying that he had "absolutely no problem" with gay marriage -- I'm guessing Biden and Hagel chatted about it. Biden doesn't tolerate bigots or racists or people who are locked in anachronistic sensibilities, at least not on his own time. Hagel had evolved privately on these issues -- but again, no one had asked him his views.

I ran into the senator one night with his wife, Lilibeth, at a dinner where the Nixon Center was being renamed the Center for the National Interest. I was serving as the master of ceremonies for the evening -- which featured public addresses by James Schlesinger, John McCain and John Kyl, among others. Hagel, Bob Gates, Brent Scowcroft and a cross-section of D.C.'s foreign-policy elite were there -- my guess: 80-percent Republican. To my surprise and quite publicly, Hagel grabbed my hand, shook it, introduced me to his wife -- and as he had to get going, gave me a manly hug in front of quite a number of those mentioned above, including Scowcroft and Bob Gates.  That's right. Hagel hugged an out gay man in a tuxedo at a mostly Republican gathering on national security. I wish I had been able to -- or had thought to -- share much of this with Chad Griffin and those in the LGBT community who had been harboring fears about Chuck Hagel.

All I can say is that like so many who are embracing our community today -- people like Mike Bloomberg, Ted Olson and Grover Norquist (yes, he is very supportive of gays in the Republican Party) -- there are Republicans whose views have evolved a lot in 14 years.

And like Dustin Lance Black said at the HRC dinner this year, we need to reach out to everyone. HRC's strident challenge was an unfortunate and, in my view, unwarranted attack on the character and humanity of Hagel.

I hope Chad Griffin, who thus far has been an outstanding leader for HRC, best I can see, walks this back in a dignified way -- and asks Sen. Chuck Hagel (I hope Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel) to speak at next year's Human Rights Campaign gala dinner. It would be awesome, in fact, to see Hormel and Hagel on stage together. That's something to think about. I should note as well that Chuck Hagel has issued a public apology to Ambassador Hormel and LGBT Americans for his insensitive remarks of 14 years ago and expressed strong support for "open service" in the military as well as for LGBT "military families." Chuck Hagel will be strongly supportive of the gains of the LGBT community in our national life -- and particularly in our military and intelligence services -- if indeed President Obama nominates this great strategic and military thinker to succeed Leon Panetta.

Steve Clemons is Washington Editor at Large at The Atlantic, where this post first appeared. Clemons can be followed on Twitter at @SCClemons.

 

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Bill J4321
1 hour ago (12:58 PM)
So. What we have learned here is that Hagel has a gay lackey named Steve Clemons to try and clean up his mess.

Shameful pandering, Clemons. I'm actually a bit embarrassed for you. Hagel's voting record speaks for itself, and he is many things. But an ally to LGBT citizens is not one of them. It is offensive for you to even hint otherwise.

Any shame at all about publishing this piece, Clemons? Any regret over telling LGBT citizens, whom Hagel has voted against EVERY TIME he is given the opportunity, what a staunch ally he is?

Any embarrassment at encouraging support of a man who views you as less than fully human?

Regardless, I am experiencing both of those towards you, Clemons. This essay is an exercise in the absurd and is completely ridiculous.

Hagel is a man not to be trusted. His own record shows that. Stop telling lies. What's your motivation for doing so?
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01:41 PM on 12/24/2012
Looking at his voting record, Hagel is not ally. Regardless of his personal feelings, his record is that of a political homophobe. No amount of "but I have a gay friend" changes that, though I do have to give credit for an actual gay friend stepping forward. It's nice to see some of these gay friends actually existing.
11:51 AM on 12/24/2012
Clemons, Washington DC is full of "staunch defenders of gay rights" with legislative records and policy records and public speeches to back up the claim they are "defenders."

It's important that everyone here notice that you, Clemons, cannot offer such legislative records, policy records, or public speeches to back up your assertion that Hagel is a "staunch defender of gay rights."

He stopped opposing DADT at some point.

That's it.

Nothing more.

And you seem to personally like the man.

He's not a "staunch defender of gay rights" and you, Clemons, know it.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
07:14 PM on 12/23/2012
As for Chuck Hagel being so pro-gay -- what good is a bright light if it's kept hidden under a basket?
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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
05:54 PM on 12/23/2012
Here are some basic facts everyone should know:
1. Hormel accepted Hagel's apology:
"Hormel uses Facebook to accept Hagel's apology"
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/hormel-uses-facebook-accept-hagels-apology221212
2. Furthermore, Human Rights Campaign welcomed Hagel's apology
(quote from WaPo:)'In response, Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization that
previously deemed Hagel’s comments “unacceptable,” has now embraced
the potential Obama administration nominee.
“Senator Hagel’s apology and his statement of support for LGBT
equality is appreciated and shows just how far as a country we have
come when a conservative former Senator from Nebraska can have a
change of heart on LGBT issues,” HRC President Chad Griffin said in a
statement. “Our community continues to add allies to our ranks and
we’re proud that Senator Hagel is one of them.”'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/21/hagel-retracts-1998-statement-on-gays/
3. Finally, there is a petition at MoveOn with 2400 signers:
Back Obama in Tapping Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense
http://signon.org/sign/back-obama-in-tapping-1?source=c.url&r;_by=1135580
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Achilles1963
Anti war Anti Spying Anti Assassination Veteran
02:52 PM on 12/23/2012
Who really cares. This is a total non-issue. Quit wasting your time with this Chuck.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
07:15 PM on 12/23/2012
Those of us whose rights are always on the line care.
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Achilles1963
Anti war Anti Spying Anti Assassination Veteran
12:16 PM on 12/25/2012
The secretary of defense doesn't determine American rights, and ALL Americans have the same rights.
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ObamaSupporterPete
02:38 PM on 12/23/2012
If all of this is true, what made your kind of aggressive homosexuality differ from James Hormel's and when he did decide that his comments were out of line, why didn't he contact Mr. Hormel personally to apologize for those stupid remarks? He didn't. He just said it out loud to the press so he could be considered for his next job.
01:23 PM on 12/23/2012
If anything brings Hagel's chances down, it will be his failure to tow the line in allegiance to Israel. The neocons put this loyalty above everything else on their agenda and brook no disagreement despite the right ring extremeism that complicates Israeli politics today.
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Billingsley
12:47 AM on 12/23/2012
I am impressed that you think so much of him to defend him like this. But, I want to hear it from his mouth. Ask him to make a statement, or call a press conference, or something!
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
07:16 PM on 12/23/2012
Exactly.

If Hagel were truly such a pro gay rights supporter, there were ample opportunities for him to speak out in the past year or two.

All we got was silence.
08:14 PM on 12/22/2012
OMG that silverdaddy Hagel hugged me!! He can't be a homophobe, right??
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Kofender
(speaks in parentheses)
10:30 AM on 12/23/2012
Adam--this is exactly what I got out of this piece of nonsense too. Chuck Hagel's record speaks louder than any apologist's bearhug. F&F.;
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Kofender
(speaks in parentheses)
06:31 PM on 12/22/2012
Wow Steve, where do I begin? First, your emphasis on HRC immediately makes me suspect. Maybe HRC does good cocktail parties and dinners in Washington, but I have had enough interactions with this group to know HRC does NOT speak for me. So I don't care whether or not Hagel did or did not speak at an HRC dinner. Indeed, about the ONLY positive thing you said was he didn't. (Yes, many of us in the LGBT community intensely DISLIKE the HRC, which I consider a pretty worthless group, though it does throw nice galas.)

Okay, as to your bear hug of Hagel. Clearly he's a friend and your his apologist. But even your precious HRC gave him a ZERO rating when he was in the Senate. He has yet to publicly apologize to Ambassador Hormel, and his antipathy towards the LGBT community is in the record. He voted for DOMA. He supported DADT. Really, he's about as anti-gay as they get (even with "one of my BFFs is gay").

Really, we're not stupid. His sudden change of heart about gays is due to one thing--it's holding up his Defense nomination. Heck, I'd be more than pleased to see Tammy Baldwin filibuster his nomination. Putting him at Defense would be a huge blow to us.

Maybe he's nice to you personally, but he's proven himself to be anti-gay time and again (all current protestations to the contrary). Stop being an apologist and start being a realist.
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BeninOakland
Don't tell me you love me. Let me guess.
01:43 PM on 12/25/2012
HRC also does not represent me. I used to give them money, but decided back in 2004 that they didn't need it. In 2008, I considered them a major reaosn for the loss on prop8.
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Kofender
(speaks in parentheses)
02:06 PM on 12/25/2012
Ben, definitely agree with you about HRC's actions (rather inactions) for Prop 8. And the horror show it put me through after my partner died (just to wring some money out of me because "We know it's what Don would have wanted you to do for us") was thoroughly disgusting.
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IdeatoEmpire
Challenge assumptions; abandon prejudices
04:56 PM on 12/22/2012
Your "staunch defender of gay rights" voted for DOMA, votes often to oppose repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell and voted against adding gay and lesbian people to hate crimes protection legislation. The HRC gave him 0, 0, 0 and finally 20 per cent ratings. His remarks about Hormel were Neanderthal gay baiting.

Sorry - this guy is no defender of gay rights just because he is nice to you in a social setting.
03:11 PM on 12/22/2012
A year after the Hormel slur, Hagel told the New York Times when describing his enthusiastic support of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell – the discriminatory policy that banned gays and lesbians from serving in the military:

“The armed forces aren’t some social experiment.”

While no Sec Def nominee will pass every test, LGB(T) service members should take pause and at least ask the question: Does Chuck Hagel have an aversion to my sexuality?
02:42 PM on 12/22/2012
“Yes, Hagel has crazy positions on several key issues. . But above all, he’s not a nice person and he’s bad to his staff,” said a senior Republican Senate aide who has close ties to former Hagel staffers.

“Hagel was known for turning over staff every few weeks—within a year’s time he could have an entirely new office because nobody wanted to work for him,” said the source. “You have to wonder how a man who couldn’t run a Senate office is going to be able to run an entire bureaucracy.”

Others familiar with Hagel’s 12 year tenure in the Senate said he routinely intimidated staff and experienced frequent turnover.

“Chuck Hagel may have been collegial to his Senate colleagues but he was the Cornhusker wears Prada to his staff, some of whom describe their former boss as perhaps the most paranoid and abusive in the Senate, one who would rifle through staffers desks and berate them for imagined disloyalty,” said Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon adviser on Iran and Iraq. “He might get away with that when it comes to staffers in their 20s, but that sort of personality is going to go over like a ton of bricks at the Pentagon.”

Multiple sources corroborated this view of Hagel.

“As a manager, he was angry, accusatory, petulant,” said one source familiar with his work Capitol Hill. “He couldn’t keep his staff.”

“I remember him accusing one of his staffers of being ‘f—ing stupid’ to his face,”
02:27 PM on 12/22/2012
Nice try, Clemons, but your effort here smells of nothing but a PR campaign to clean up Hagel's past public homophobia.

And it's not working. You are simply not convincing.

Hagel was virulently homophobic 14 years ago, and 24 years ago, and 34 years ago, and Hagel has never said a damn thing in the past 14 years that anyone could say suggests a change of mind or heart.

Nope.

Instead, we have you suggesting that we'd all know Hagel has had a change of heart except no one ever asked him.

Just how stupid do you think people are?