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Subscribe to RSSIranian President Hassan Rouhani has distanced himself from his predecessor's claim that the holocaust was a myth. NBC's Brian Williams reports
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani repudiated his predecessor's Holocaust denials on Wednesday, saying the Nazis "committed a crime against Jews" but that the question of "scale" should be left to historians.
"The Nazis carried out a massacre that cannot be denied, especially against the Jewish people," he said in an informal conversation with a small group of U.S. reporters, including NBC News.
Last week, in Tehran, Rouhani hedged when asked by NBC News' Ann Curry to comment on ex-president Mahmoud Ahmadinjead's repeated denials that the Holocaust happened, saying he was a politician and not a historian.
Now in New York for the United National General Assembly, Rouhani has been striving to present himself as a moderate in the hopes of jump-starting talks on his country's nuclear program and getting economic sanctions rolled back.
Asked again about the Holocaust, he did not duck the issue.
"The massacre by the Nazis was condemnable. We never want to sit by side with the Nazis," he said. "They committed a crime against Jews — which is a crime against Christians, against Muslims, against all of humanity."
He did hedge on the specifics.
"The Nazis committed a crime in World War II," he said. "As to the scale of the massacres, and the numbers that my predecessor mentions, let's leave that to the historians."
When asked by NBC's Ann Curry about Iran's former President Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust, President Hassan Rouhani dodges the question by saying he is "not a historian."
Rouhani's address to the General Assembly on Tuesday was far more toned-down than any speech given to the world body by Ahmadinjead. And he called for "immediate" talks on the nuclear program and said Iran would never seek to develop an atomic weapon.
"There is nothing we have hidden or seek to hide," he said. "Where there is a reasonable concern we are ready to give assurances to all the negotiating parties."
He also said the level of enrichment and the number of nuclear sites can all be placed on the negotiating table, with the "aim to alleviate concerns."
"The endgame is the removal of everyone's concerns and the restoration of Iran's rights to enrich uranium," he said.
Rouhani also spoke for the first time about the skipped opportunity to meet or even shake hands with Obama — an encounter that White House officials said proved to be “too complicated” for Rouhani back home.
The Iranian president expressed the need for caution.
"We have no problem shaking Mr. Obama's hand or negotiating but we need a plan of action to ensure these meetings create the conclusions that we want," he said. "We did not have enough time to make it happen.
"We never have a problem shaking Mr. Obama's hand," he added. "It was two days ago that the U.S. proposed a meeting and we were not opposed.
"This is a very sensitive subject. We have not talked at that level for 35 years. We must take these steps carefully."
Timothy Clary / AFP - Getty Images
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani waits to speak Tuesday at the United Nations General Assembly.
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So does he accept the historians or not?
A snake with a forked tongue...though less crazy than the wackjob he replaced.
These guys always look like they are stoned out of their minds don't they? This guy looks like he just got out of a smoke filled VW
gary, ... of course NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! unless it is HIS- - - Story- - - Kook-aah-meeeniahaad or EYE-aatoll-aaaaaah uno.
Translation: I really don't have the authority to make decisions about anything. I just do as I am told by Khamanei. I can give all the opinions and statements setting forth my own views, but do not mistake them to be the official position of Iran. They are just the positions Mr. Khamanei wants you to believe, while he continues to stall , as we have done for years now, by creating the false illusion of cooperation and progress.
What difference does it make wether he beleives that a holocaust happened or not? That was about 70 years ago, I'm 66, that was before my time. any just about everyone of yours and if you are as old as when it happened you don't remember any of it, it was taught to you.
It really is moot, it grew to a Nuc program from an incident that happened in 1979 in Iran and an American Embassy.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Dwight Eisenhower, Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle could write tens of thousands of post war memoirs and never mention death camps and crematoriums. I’m waiting for someone to explain how taking over three million from the death count at Auschwitz does not affect the number of six million as the official tally. There are a lot of statistics I would love to have explained to me but no one seems able to. I’m especially interested in how the world population for a certain demographic actually went up during the war years. The census reports a trend that can’t possibly be true but....it has to be. It’s the law. And if you doubt it there's a lot of places you could end up in jail!
Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire!
Better translation: Rouhani has to take it slow when opening up his country and walking back Ahmadinejad's craziness, or else when he runs for reelection his opponents will claim he went on an "apology tour".
And Brian, you haven't researched @!$%#!
I think our leaders always need to work on world diplomacy but we also need to remember that this man will not be the leader of Iran forever and if they have nuclear capability, what's to say the next leader wont use it to develop a weapon. That's the real problem here. I am glad to hear this type of talk from Rouhani, but it is difficult to believe someone from a faith that clearly states it is O.K. to lie to the infidel (any non muslim).
Our leaders must keep in mind, it is much easier to keep an eye on a friend than an enemy.
If you're going to play political ball with this guy you better be wide awake. He comes to play with a cool head!
D. in AZ,
This man isn't even the leader of Iran now! He is a figure head who does what he is told!
"Our leaders must keep in mind, it is much easier to keep an eye on a friend than an enemy."
That comment is golden!...spot on.
This is where a competent US President adept at leadership could skillfully use some of Rouhani's moderate words against him. If only we had such a President... Unfortunately, Obama will fall in love with Rouhani as Iran runs the clock out on nuclear development. Of course this will alienate our ally Israel, but then again it's been a hallmark of the Obama presidency to pay more attention to our enemies than our allies. But it's ok - I'm sure Putin will once again save the day for everybody.
Brian-709891:
The initial Russian estimates for Auschwitz's death toll were never taken seriously, and the six million number is after those numbers were subtracted. Six million is also by no means a precise number, as estimates range as low as 4.2 million and as high as 6.1 million. And that's only including Jewish victims - the number skyrockets even higher if you include ethnic Poles, Slavs, and others who were targeted, though not as systematically as Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_and_death_toll
I'd also love to see your source on the claim that the world's Jewish population increased during that period, since every source I can find shows the exact opposite.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html
You mean like when Bush declared his undying love for Putin ("I looked into his eyes and saw his soul"), or when he was walking hand in hand with the Saudi Prince at Camp David?
Brian, You're a Jack A*#. and have no idea what your talking about. My guess is you blame the Jews for the worlds problems!
This man lived most of his adult life in America and was educated in America. I hope and it seems so far they elected the right man to end all these problems not only with America but the world.
Only time will tell the truth. Give peace a chance before a nuke war starts.
I say, give the guy a break.... possibly at the neck, or maybe the back..
Mike, if you keep giving peace a chance with the Iranians, you will end up having a nuclear war on your hands started by them. You have to love how Rouhani seems to be questioning the scope of the holocaust. Remember a couple of years ago when they were killing their own people in the streets? Iran is a theocratic Islamic dictatorship run by Khamanei. The Iranians have and will continue to run circles around our amateur, socialist president. We are in deep trouble.
Hey Brian, you are an idiot. I have killed more brain cells partying than you were born with. Have you ever heard the accounts of the GIs who liberated the camps or seen any of the photos or films? How's this for some simple math you moron: When WWII started there were 18 million Jews in the world, after the war there were only 12 million, 70 years later it's back to 18 million, meanwhile the rest of the world's population has grown tenfold, mostly the result of morons like you breeding.
Apparently, there are a significant number of people commenting here that don't understand that Rouhani is not the top decision maker in Iran. Khamanei is. When Obama meets with Khamanei and a deal is made then we might have something to talk about. And, BTW, Khamanei is even more extreme than Ahmadinejad. Until actual actions show otherwise, anything Rouhani has to say is meaningless.
Let's see, what are some other things that happened over 70 years ago, and were just taught to us:
The Declaration of Independence
The fall of the Roman Empire
The Trail of Tears
The last ice age
But, as 6dogs and Hillary Clinton say, "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?"
Seems to me a bit narrow-minded.
yeahbuhwha- Thank you for the source on the Holocaust victims. I don't think I've ever come across that many stats in one place.
HERE is what Obama MUST DO to help this wonderful Iranian man of peace:
1. Announce one billion dollars in taxpayer aid to help the Iranian Govt. find the one homosexual in the country.
2. Offer grief counseling to the Iranian leader, he will need it for insulting Allha by accepting the Holocaust as fact.
3. Go on Leno and say that Iran has always been a nation of practical jokers, especially when they say they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
4. Have Jimmy Carter go to the United Nations and apologize to the Iranians for forcing them to take the Americans hostage for 444 days in 1979-1980.
5. Go on Leno and hint that it was "probably true" that Reagan sent George HW Bush on a Blackbird spy plane to Iran with a briefcase of cash to make the Iranians wait to release the hostages and make Reagan look good and Carter look bad.
He is a much better puppet than Ahmadinejad. At least Ahmadinejad was honest. He told us he hates us and doesnt care what we think or do about his nukes. Rouhani seems to be a very adept BS artist. He even acknowledged the holocaust for our entertainment. I keep waiting for him to blow himself up in the middle of a summit.
To those of you that believe him: I currently have bags of magical fairy dust for sale. One sprinkle and you will fly around, just like Peter Pan. Please send check or money order (cash is fine too) for $1000 to.........
A step in the right direction toward World Diplomacy.
First Pope Francis and then President Rouhani? What is going on?
Here's the one fact you need to know that will help you understand Rouhani -- he was endorsed by the only prominent Iranian politician who has ever publicly called for Israel to be destroyed with nuclear weapons.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/06/11/Rafsanjani-endorses-moderate-Rowhani-for-Iran-presidency-.html
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm
Why does Israel get attacked if the US attacks Syria???
Syria, Iran issue first explicit warning to Israel if US attacks
http://www.timesofisrael.com/syria-iran-issue-explicit-warning-to-israel-if-us-attacks/
Iran Revolutionary Guards chief: Israel will be destroyed if Syria is attacked
http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-revolutionary-guards-chief-israel-will-be-destroyed-if-syria-attacked/
Rowhani is a first-rate extremist. He wants to build The Bomb and destroy Israel and usher in the End of Days, just like Khamenei. But unlike Ahmadinejad, Rowhani is a wily coyote. He's a smooth, sophisticated and experienced operator. He's already got the media fooled about who he is. That's just the beginning.
You've really got to hand it to Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
The man is one of the most evil tyrants on the face of the earth. He is pursuing nuclear weapons to wipe Israel and the U.S. off the map. He wants to usher in the caliphate of the Twelfth Imam and bring about the apocalyptic End of Days. Yet he is desperately trying to prevent Israel -- or any other country -- from launching preemptive military strikes and neutralizing Iran's nuclear weapons program. Thus, Khamenei is trying to use the rigged current presidential elections to recast Iran as suddenly moving in a more "moderate" direction, and thus persuading the West to ease up on economic sanctions and pressure Israel to back off.
And the Western media is totally buying it.
I expect that Rouhani’s will immediately try to bring some hope to the people of Iran. But practically, he will not be able to do much. However, there is a possible scenario that may exist behind the scenes: it is possible the Khamenei will use Rouhani to buy more time for his nuclear programs. This is how it works: Rouhani will start negotiating with the West. He will seem to be a “good guy” and will look like that he is making some progress. After months of negotiation, when both sides seem to be coming to an agreement, Khamenei will step in and veto the decision. There is also a slight chance that Khamenei indeed wants to establish relationship with the West and will use Rouhani to do that (but this is very unlikely).
Oh, so then you feel the same way about slavery, since it was 150 yrs ago??? NOT!!!!
First, here is a great read as to the numbers on the Holocaust: The Holocaust Industry, by Norman Finkelstein, who is actually Jewish and had relatives killed in Auschwitz.
Now, as it comes to Iran, whether we want war or not, and irrespective of what the Iranians do, we will go to war against them. Why? Because Israel wants it so. Not because there is a Jewish conspiracy behind everything, but when it really comes down to it, our whole government is bought and paid for by AIPAC.
Load of crap reactions as usual. What a lot of couch potatoes fail to realize is that - may be - just may be - Iranians wouldn't be so much as pissed off with America if America had not tried to topple a democratically elected government of theirs in 1979.
Then America created Saddam in retaliation to Iran and had Iran engaged with Iraq in a decade long bloody war. Then the great communicator also sold weapons to Iran (its all win - win). Hell yeah.
All this to please the sunni Saudi Arabia. Now how does Saudi repay mother USA. They send 911 terrorists to the US - all except one was saudi citizens.
But hey - that gave us just one more opportunity to bomb the crap out of yet another country called Afghanistan which had nothing but mountains after mountains ... but we bombed them anyway.
Not one. Not one of those terrorists were from Iran. Not one .... not one of Al Qaida or Taliban members are Iranians. Why? Because Al Qaida and Taliban are sunni. They are creation of Saudi Sunni Terrorists machine.
Hey ... but facts don't matter. Let the propaganda go on and lets piss on Rouhani.
All of a sudden... it's all about Iran this & Iran that
Who friggen cares? They've earned nobody's trust nor should we believe what the wolf in sheep's clothing has to say
Do not be Deceived...
pj1795048-----you have correctly stated an inconvenient truth. saddam was duped into thinking he could attack kuwait. just prior to his attack on kuwait the us ambassador to iraq delivered a message from george walker bush stating ''the us has no interest in iraqs border dispute with its' neighbors.'' sounds like a green light to me. saddam bought it and the rest is history. bush was probably trying to let the saudis know they needed us -maybe thought saddam would not act on the message-just do a little saber rattling. instead he launched a full all out attack. the us is guilty of meddling in the middle east and has done it for decades. this time i think we have gone too far and we will pay the price for our interfering for decades to come. every iraqi i know claims saddam had nothing to do with terrorists groups. he did not allow any group to threaten his absolute power. he held the religious groups under his control and as one iraqi said to me ''he would cut them off at the knees if they attempted to gain political power''. few people know that saddam allowed jews and catholics to openly worship in iraq. iraq was better off under saddam-he knew how to control religious fanatics.
I also question the scale of the Holocaust. I feel that the numbers have been inflated...
However, no one seems to know, nor care, that Russia lost over 15 million civilians and China lost over 10 million due to military activity or crimes against humanity.
The Nazi method may have been more heinous, but NOT greater in scale.
Brian-709891...you make a very valid point...don't know why your comment was collapsed...maybe because it is the truth??? There is plenty of factual evidence that some Jews were starved to death (as is proven by the photos) but the numbers that supposedly went thru the gas chambers are distorted beyond belief. There was not enough of that gas even manufactured at that time to even come close to killing the numbers that the Jews would have us believe. Other countries know the truth and he is playing it safe as to not piss off the believers here.
Moving to Europe: Good f'n Riddance.
Why no coverage of this NBC?
Is the Syrian "rebels" rejection of the west and embrace of Al Qaeda and sharia law not newsworthy? Or does it just highlight the stupidity of Obama funneling U.S. taxpayer funded weapons to them and wanting to bomb their enemies?
Syrian rebels reject interim government, embrace Sharia
"A collection of some of Syria's most powerful rebel brigades have rejected a Western-backed opposition group that announced the creation of an interim government in exile this month.
The 13 rebel groups, led by the al Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front, also called on supporters of the Syrian opposition to embrace Sharia law "and make it the sole source of legislation.""
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/25/world/meast/syria-rebels/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
FedupwithFed,
Nazi endorsed two prominent American pioneers, Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. However we still should not diminish the accomplishments of those two Americans. Especially, when so little has been time since the start of Iranian President.
On your link http://www.timesofisrael.com/syria-iran-issue-explicit-warning-to-israel-if-us-attacks/
it contradicted what you suggested that both Iran and Syria issued warnings to Israel if US attacks. In fact you need to verify the origin of the quote. Iranian agency pointed it out that USA is unlikely to carry out a military strike (which is true to this point of negotiation).... you need to read the content, not just the headline.,, btw, the actual quote of the threat was quoted from "Muftah, a senior Baath Party official who used to serve as Syria’s assistant information minister" There was no official quote of the echo, but the quotes provided by article from the Iranian source was far from that of the Muftah in Syria.
Now, let's hear what the Saudis have to say about the Nazis and the holocaust.
"Iranian President Hassan Rouhani repudiated his predecessor's Holocaust denials on Wednesday, saying the Nazis "committed a crime against Jews" but that the question of "scale" should be left to historians."
This what the "moderate", "highly educated" 18th century desert mindset "Islamic cleric" said.
After few days, another "advanced" tenth century hardliner, Ahmedpig would say the opposite.
Track record of followers of Islamic cult has proved that one can't trust a word of what they say/sign!
About historians, does he refer to the historians of right to left writings or sane normal historians?
THEturd; So I guess everyone else is wrong, That Iran threatened to attack Israel if the US attacks Syria!!!!
Strange how some many people are wrong and your one person is right!!!!
Iran has been threatening Israel for decades and they will not ever stop!!!!
This joker is just playing the nice guy to sucker oblamo and the other morons, so they have more time to build their nukes!!!!
www.wnd.com/.../iran-thousands-of-missiles-to-rain-on-Israel
freebeacon.com/iranian-official
beforeitsnews.com/iran/2013/08/iran-threatens-to-strike...
www.heavy.com/news/2013/08/iran-threatens-to-burn-down...
www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syria-army-source-US-attack-on...
AMERICAN HOLOCAUST : GERMAN HOLOCAUST : HOLOCAUST IS HOLOCAUST
The German Holocaust : was the mass murder or genocide of approximately six million Jews during World War II, a program of systematic state-sponsored murder by Nazi Germany, led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, throughout the German Reich and German-occupied territories
The American Holocaust , was the mass murder or genocide of approximately 70,000 Japanese were horribly vaporized on August 06, 1945 on the unsuspecting civilian packed town of Hiroshima during World War II ( plus an additional 100,000 died afterwards of radiation sickness.
Two days later, on August 09, 1945, a second nuclear bomb was dropped on the city of Nagasaki where 80,000 Japanese were intentionally cremated on the spot. This was a program of systematic state-sponsored murder by Black Racist America, led by President Harry S. Truman then a card carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan, or KKK, well known to exist throughout hypocritical, freedom spouting, freedom denying America.
America was charged with racism at the time, on the grounds that an atomic bomb
would never been used on white Germans....regardless of hypocritical cries over
the German Holocaust. The charges went nowhere. Anyway, who was going to take
America to court? Might has wonderful benefits.
Yes it is a Horrible thing, to deny the Holocaust.
garrie, I hope you are aware that the saber rattling that was quoted was from Hossein Shariatmadari is the managing editor of Kayhan, a conservative Iranian newspaper. In another words, you are suggesting the equivalence of other countries should quote Rush Limbaugh as the representation of our American military and our White House response. I don't know about you, but if I was a government official, I would not give the time of day responding to an editor of a newspaper on his personal view of world politics.
Please read beyond the headlines and sort out the drama queens from these so called "journalist" who are simply taking "wire info" and sensationalizing them to inflame their readers so that they get eyeballs... Sorry, I did not read beyond your first link... don't have time. Perhaps you can verify your sources? They should not have earned your loyalty and credit so easily.
George Earle, I thought the word Holocaust was directly related to the Jewish loss during WWII under the directives of the Nazi Regime. I don't believe there is a recognized American Holocaust or German Holocaust. Perhaps you are using the term genocide interchangeably with Holocaust... As far as I know, The Holocaust is termed strictly to the European Jewish genocide.
Nothing really popped up when I typed "german holocaust" nor "american holocaust"
Some people can only see the negative in others. I think this guy sounds better than the previous.
"As to the scale of the massacres, and the numbers that my predecessor mentions, let's leave that to the historians."
News flash Hassan, the history was written by those who witnessed it, many of whom are still alive.
But I guess we should considered you enlightened...
Most of history had sided that we were attacked by the Japanese, unprovoked. This it seems was a lie. Don't you think that other occurrences might be overly fabricated too?
I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Dwight Eisenhower, Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle could write tens of thousands of post war memoirs and never mention death camps and crematoriums. I’m waiting for someone to explain how taking over three million from the death count at Auschwitz does not affect the number of six million as the official tally. There are a lot of statistics I would love to have explained to me but no one seems able to. I’m especially interested in how the world population for a certain demographic actually went up during the war years. The census reports a trend that can’t possibly be true but....it has to be. It’s the law.
To be honest, I prefer his answer referring to historians. All that matters is that he acknowledged the Holocaust. I do not like politicians getting into the details of history, because that inevitably politicizes and distorts it. There are too many events of the past obscured by partisan rhetoric. While the Holocaust is so well-documented there is little left to interpretation, that's not true of many other historical events, and I just prefer politicians to steer clear. Would you give any weight to what John McCain thinks of French literature? Then why should we want to be lectured on history by people who haven't studied it in depth?
The absolute truth about history, is that it is written and preserved by the victorious. So "truth" frequently emanates from what are subjective and prejudiced accounts. His-story, her-story, but not necessarily "the" story.
I am not one to quarrel with the overall narrative regarding the brutality and inhumanity of the Nazis, and its hatred for the Jews.
But with respect the narratives constructed by the West and America in particular regarding a host of conflicts over the past century, there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate perpetual cynicism; and the filthy and evil actions by (my) US Govt in countless 'interventions' are now well documented.
The US has considerable blood on its hands in the Middle East and Iran in particular. In our foreign policy America has frequently sowed the wind, and now reaps the whirlwind on many fronts. What we have sown has produced a faithful harvest.
That is not to say that many states like Iran are not oppressive, or that they do not wish to pursue hegemony in the region if able to do so. I just wish to point out that the US ceded the moral high ground a long time ago. We have no right to lecture. We should sit down and shut up. And as citizens we must reform our own government to act in harmony with the elevated principles we purport to uphold.
Brian--your wait is over and your ignorance is appalling--
Eisenhower Quote
Excerpt from "Crusade in Europe"
"The same day [April 12, 1945] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock."
"I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.' Some members of the visiting party were unable to through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt."
Rotorwing - Newsflash: Those that witnessed the holocaust were not counting. It is in the interests of Zionists to keep the figures as high as possible. After all, it is a "holocaust industry", as Finklestein wrote.
Six million is a drop in the bucket, when compared to the number of Russians killed in the Bolshevik Revolution by the Jewish Communists, who were leaders in Lenin's secret police. Those Jews were responsible for more than 20 million Russians killed. There are estimates as high as 60 million.
The Jews have been behind many government overthrows, which is one of the reasons they were reviled in so many countries. Their only allegiance is to their tribe. They have no loyalty to the countries in which they reside. They are there to milk that country for what they can get. This is especially evident in America, where we have been supporting Jews in Israel for over 60 years. Take a look at the number of Jewish, Israeli Americans that infested the Bush Pentagon.
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin ( the AIPAC
spy)
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
Pentagon Comptroller - Dov Zakheim
Together, these men planned and sold the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped cherry pick the phony intelligence that our Congress relied on, in their decisions to go to war. Those wars for Israel cost America trillions and thousand of lives. Those Zionists could care less. As long as no Israelis were killed, no harm done.
Gee Ralph, I feel like I'm reading Mein Kampf when I read your post. Typical Jewish paranoia that worked so well in the 1930's and 1940's. And by the way, the Jews have to "take care of the tribe" since so many idiots such as yourself are gunning for them. Fukcing tool.
I don't know about other things Ralph - but the last paragraph is spot on. I would like these people who sold Iraq war to American people - tried with crimes against humanity and hunted like Nazis.
Hey Lloyd, how about commenting on the fact that the Pentagon was controlled by Jewish lawyers, most or all with Israeli citizenship. I don't make this stuff up.
As I wrote, Jews were responsible for over 20 million Russians being killed. Care to dispute, or are you just beaming with pride?
I am willing to humor the crazy guy a bit.
While the open antisemitism of czar's rule attracted many Jews to the Bolshevik cause, it also attracted all other nations in the Empire, including people of Ukraine, Poland, Finland, Pribaltica and Middle Asia, who wanted independence for their countries, but most of all Russians, who simply thought that they were fighting for the good of Russia.
Thus, to blame the whole revolution on Jews, one needs to be not only a bigot, but also a complete idiot. Of cause, Ralph meets those requirements perfectly.
Now, Ralph, do tell us about nano-termites, everyone could use a good laugh.
As far Iran's theocratic Shiite rule concerned it is only tenth century desert mindset Islamic one.
But the worse is Sunni ruled nations.
Their Sunni rulers with their Sharia laws are most barbaric, bigoted, despotic seventh century desert mindset highly corrupt ones.
Leading example is that of House of Saud with a extremist Wahhabi ruler with 5000 princes and princesses and their huge harems.
Normal citizens in those nations including those visiting them don't have any rights under their Sharia Laws and their interpretations.
How the US, Britain, France and other NATO nations could go to Iraqi wars to save them and to remove Saddam as per their directions and when they wanted him to be removed?
Most use all big words and talk of rights when required.
Don't they apply to oil rich Sunni rulers and their nations?
Are not many politicians, UN and its agencies, human rights and other big talking groups, tink tanks in the pockets of oil rich Sunni rulers, oil companies and their lobbyists?
America sure did leave its own Japanese Holocaust to history, American History. Seems American History books have completely white-washed all mention of its own Japanese concentration camp. ( no need to transport them to the camp.......just drop the bomb, instant crematory and concentration camp, all in a day's worth )
Then if that wasn't enough, America rounded up innocent Japanese-Americans....not those bad, bad Germans, and transported loyal American Japanese in cattle train box cars.......just like the Germans did. There similarities are so chilling!!!!!!
What ever happened to the Japanese-American's household property and businesses?
I can see the peace-loving American looters going through the loyal Japanese-American's things and helping themselves with whatever they found.
Where were the police during this whole sale looter's free for all?
Oh yes, they were too busy checking their racial identification before herding the shocked Japanese onto the trains that would be transporting them to the American concentration camps. No ID badges for them. Their color was all that was necessary.
He's the same as the Ayatollah. Actually he's the Ayatollah's puppet, but what's the difference?
George,
"Holocaust" is reference to one specific event.
I think you are trying to talk about "genocide", which is not just a mass murder, it's a systematic extermination.
However, USA was not systematically exterminating Japanese, the bomb was meant to end the war, nor was anyone actually killed in those camps you were talking about.
There was not set goal to exterminate all Japanese completely.
So, that was not a genocide, and you should not compare that to Holocaust.
I am not saying that USA is guiltless. In fact, if you want to accuse USA of a genocide, you could talk about native Americans, but please keep your accusations accurate.
Indeed, the question is /which/ historians.
Of course, the numerous Soviet prisoners, Roma and non-Jews that also died in the work and death-camp systems are conveniently forgotten. And incidentally, so are the millions of German POWs who died in the east after '45 and only made it home in '49, or even in the mid '50's.
So very true. Every Holocaust movie I remember watching shows every train, concentration camp and killing field filled with nothing but Jews. Slavs,communists and other political prisoners, homosexuals, Gipsies and so on are always nowhere to be found. You can literally see the clear intention to portray the Holocaust as an exclusively Jewish experience.
Obviously, you guys have never seen any Russian movies about Holocaust.
Until USSR fell apart, they managed to make movies about WWII without ever mentioning Jews.
HONOLULU --
The FBI has released thousands of documents from its file on U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, a medal of honor recipient and American concentration survivor. The documents, some of which show the late lawmaker was the target of racially and politically motivated threats of violence.
The documents also mention unsubstantiated allegations of bribery.
The Honolulu Star-Advertiser and other news media requested the FBI's files on Inouye shortly after the senator died last December at age 88. The FBI publicly posted the documents Monday in The Vault, the bureau's online reading room, which also contains once-private files on other prominent politicians, celebrities, gangsters and fugitives.
So, are you guys saying that Iranian government is questioning the account of Holocaust, because they are concerned about the rights of communists, gypsies, belarusians and especially homosexuals?
I'm beginning to agree with PM Netanyahu - "a wolf in sheep's clothing."
nate yahoo is the last person on earth qualified to question someone's integrity, truthfulness.
@let'sthinkforawhile....I agree with you.
The description fits the formidable PM himself very well, if you think for awhile......And how many Nuclear Weapons did the formidable PM tell us he has? What is the legal status of THAT arsenal?
Troy1101 above is talking about "snake with a forged tongue"!! Really, are you also talking about the formidable PM?!!
LMAO...that idiot has being crying wolf since 1995. Always stating that Iran is close to a nuke. Just wants us to fight his wars. He can go take a long walk off a short pier.
where water is full of hungry great white sharks.
the Jew haters are all out!!!!
I guess when the Iranian president speaks all of his followers that are allowed to get on the computer are on here protecting him and attacking Israel!!!!
Hey, garrie
the Arab haters are all out!!!!
I guess when the American president speaks all of his followers that are allowed to get on the computer are on here protecting him and attacking Iran!!!!
garrie,
You sound familiar; Former Archeim or Basil maybe?
Btw, we are not jew haters; We are just trying to make a point that iran and Iranians should not be targeted and hararrassed because they speak truth about isreal, and, we should not go to war with iran just because isreal wants us to.
Fair enough?
Well, Rouhani did run the national security and justice ministries for a time....like during the major crackdowns in the 90's and Iran-Iraq
At least he is a big step up from the crazy wacko before him, still pro Iranian point of view, but what would we expect?
Smarter than his predecessor.
It was a pretty low bar.
But still, I hope this trend toward more moderate Iranian leaders continues. The Iranian people are generally well educated and reasonable. It would be nice for Iran to join the broader world community through reform and diplomacy than it being an outsider.
Rounhani may prove to be a snake. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt for now, until he proves we can't, as he may be able to lead his country in a positive direction. As for Netanyahu, well, the cards are face up. He is a snake.
Glad you think Nate yahoo is a snake.
He is a snake and a liar, who doesn't think that other than a paid schill for the Israeli government?!
Yep, the Iranians are here defending their precious leader, you can always tell when they come out. First the put on a show of lets give the terrorist nation a break and lets see if they are really nice and then they go right to attacking Israel just like all good Iranians do!!!!
It always amazes me that people still follow the Ayatollah, when it's his policies that make people so miserable.
We can't trust this piece of garbage. Muslims believe they can lie to infidels and it is O.K. His parents were allies to Germany in WW II and he was raised in the same propaganda machine as all their youngsters are.
Muslim cockroaches believe they have a duty to lie to infidels, and they think infidels are too stupid to see their lies; but lies are not invisible and the only stupidity is the stupidity that defines the minds of the Muslim cockroaches, really . . .
Really! :-o
isreali parasites are much more sophisticated in lies, deception, theft, fraud etc.
muslims cannot compete with isrealis..
and people of Jewish descent never lie to the goyim? In the Talmud, it states that Jews aren't even supposed to help goyim if they are dying in the street on Shabbos. talk about cockroaches
To eoj-243529, it sounds like you are the cockroach. You are obviously a sick anti-Semite so I am probably wasting my time, but your misstatement of some comment in the Talmud from thousands of years ago has no bearing on present-day reality. The reality is that if you were injured or dying in the street and a Jewish person happened to see you, he or she would do everything possible to come to your aid and get you to a hospital, where you would quite likely be saved by a Jewish doctor at the E.R., even on a Saturday. Even though Jews are less than 2% of the U.S. population, they comprise 1/3 of the doctors, and most are more dedicated to saving lives than their religion and will work on the Sabbath. Not so sure how many Christian doctors are willing to work on Sundays.
Holy crap, you are all bad. Generalizing all muslims as one way or all jews as one way merely speaks to your own stupidity.
EVERY group has it's bad actors.
So I tell you what, if you kill every Jew in the world and let the Muslimes take over Israel, will you then be happy? Or will you just keep on killing your fellow Muslimes?
Forrest- I have not seen anyone on these forums express a desire to kill the Jews in Israel. However, I have read hundreds of posts from Jews, wishing to nuke Iran, Syria and kill Palestinians.
The big problem with Israel is their control of American politicians, done with bribes, extortion and any other means to get them to support Israel with money, arms and wars. It cost America dearly.
And don't forget nano-termites.
ralph the undercover Iranian!!!!
All he has done is spread hate and lies!!!!
garrie,
another misinformed isreali...
Hey Siccky, do you stand by Ralph's claim that 9/11 was brought about by nano-termites?
in my view, 9/11 would not have happened if we did not support isreal.
It's heart warming to see the brutal regime change it's tone and start slowly accepting reality.
But saying: "There is nothing we have hidden" in respect to nuclear program, is not helping. Lies in the face of the obvious cannot get you taken seriously.
To prove to the world that you are not seeking destruction of people, changing rhetoric alone doesn't do the trick, it takes real actions that you can stand behind.
In the free world, actions speak louder than cheap words.
I don't know about the reality part. They still refuse to let IAEA inspectors into their heavy water plants, which is where they will have the best chance for a bomb.
Anybody Got A Newport ?
James... cigarette smoking is bad for your health... even if you are dead !!
So he recommends that the facts of the holocaust are left to the historians... what's wrong that that? Are we supposed to just accept any random number or story as legitimate? If someone says 1,000,000,000 Jews were killed are we supposed to accept that as fact cause 'its a big number?' How is he a 'wolf in sheeps clothing?' its funny that you call yourself 'lets think for awhile' when you'd rather not think at all and just utter propoganda
You are the President of Iran, I do not trust you as far as I can throw you. Obama totally wrecked their enocomy so not they are trying to seem reasonable. They are done as a country. They can either bomb themselves up with all that "peaceful nuclear" capability they have or they can get rid of it and feed their people.
This guy is no sheep, he is a wolf in wolf's clothing. What is he going to say now. The madman before him, AKMADMANJAHAD kept on saying crazy stuff so now this guy is trying to patch things over when they are still selling weapons to the Syrians and all our enemies. Why are we even talking guys like this?
I literally couldn't agree more. We now get to find out if the Mullahs give a rat's behind about their people or if they're as coldhearted as they've proven to be in the past.
A well educated wolf in sheeps clothing
Why would the President of the US want a meeting with some numb nuts who can't make any decisions anyway? This guy should meet with the assistant to the assistant to the Assistant Secretary of State.
What??? No news on the missing 100 MV's and the 1000 weapons along with all the night detection equipment in the hands of terrorists at Benghazi???? Stop protecting this pathetic farce of a President and do your job.
The comments regarding this article are mostly ignorant (not everyone). Where are most of you from?
Dearborn, Michigan (sicktired lan) and Qatar (eoj).
Ignore farideh; I am from Beverly hills, California
farideh just cannot believe that a non-arab, non-muslim American is criticizing isreal and defending palestinians.
farideh: she is from iran, Armenian descent. most likely claimed political asylum in isreal and then emigrated to US. Now working part time for isreal public relations department. she probably lives in Beverly hills or los angeles. maybe a dentist or pharmacist. Terribly misinformed and misguided.
Sick and tired is from IRAN!!!!!! Do not believe the lie!!!!
excellent I hope everyone holds their talk as true
anything is better than the old Iranian pres almondjoy
he was a lil nutty
wipe that smug look off of your face and give us back our drone... thanks.
Thank goodness. I've been out of snakeoil for awhile and here comes a salesman with a wagonload. Lucky me.
It would be great to do away with a like number of muslims, or whatever number historians come up with.
That's a truly despicable sentiment. Morally indistinguishable from the Nazis.
The whole world knows we spent billions and murdered thousands to get a stooge Shaw in Iran. When the finally got rid of him we ended up supplying and aiding Saddam in killing hundreds of thousands.( The historians so far don't seem to know how many we have killed and helped kill in the middle east.) It may be more than 2 million. You people who keep saying you can't trust Rouhani : Who in his right mind would trust our government or its usurious partner, Israel ?
Cliff is a prime example of why the holocaust was able to happen.
Chinese General Sun Tzu had several quotes that fit this situation, I would be cautious negotiating with and enemy that has only come to the table to get your foot off his neck. The sanctions are really hurting Iran and having the desired effect. There should be nothing less than observable actions from Iran to stop trying to produce nuclear weapons. It goes beyond trust but verify in this case, it is never trust, keep your foot on his neck and only after they dissemble their nuclear program do you take the pressure off.
Iran is not trying to produce nuclear weapons. That is only Zionist propaganda. Iran signed the NPT, which obligates them to have all of their uranium enrichment monitored by the IAEA. They can only enrich to 20%, the amount required for medical isotopes to treat cancer in a nation of 70 million people. That effectively makes it impossible for Iran to make a nuclear weapon.
Iran has lived up to its UN requirements. The sanctions are not for anything Iran has done wrong. They are meant to cripple Iran's economy and facilitate regime change. Our Jewish Congressman and women invariably are the ones who sponsor every one of the sanctions. They are always working hard for Israel, while being paid by the US taxpayers.
I tend to agree with RalphH...there is no practical or historical reason for Iran to want a nuclear weapon, except under the old W regime. When they were part of the "axis of evil" and when the only way to keep us from invading was to get a nuke (Saddam didn't have one, got invaded...North Korea got on, we kiss his butt) it made sense. Iran never WAS a strong aggressor...that was partly a response to Israel (Hezbollah etc) and partly a response to kicking the Shah out and being left with extremist religious figures in the short run. Iran is finally relaxing a little and open to negotiation. There is every reason to believe this true IMO.
Well, if Iran is so-not-making-nukes, they should have no difficulty convincing UN of that.
Any day now.
ralph the muslim instantly goes on the attack, it is all Israel's fault and Iran is just such a nice a wonderful nation that has never done anything wrong!!!! MORON!!!!
They have killed American troops, they have kidnapped American's, they have armed every enemy in the ME and they support terrorist organizations!!!!
They are building a NUKE and they are just trying to buy more time to finish it!!! They are using the exact same tactics that Pakistan did when they built theirs!!!
They are swearing up and down they are not building a nuke but they hide their facilities in mountains that they do not allow anyone to inspect and the ones they do allow to be inspected they always watch large trucks hauling things away right before the inspections!!!!
Iran is full of crap, they are nothing but a lying group of radicals!!!!!
Garrie- Try to let this sink in to your tiny little Zionist brain: All 16 US intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran does NOT have a nuclear weapons program. It has been stated in the last 3 National Intelligence Estimates.
Read what some Israelis have to say: January
2011: When Meir Dagan steps down as director of Israel’s Mossad spy agency, he
says that Iran would not be able to produce a nuclear weapon until 2015.
"Israel should not hasten to attack Iran, doing so only when the sword is
upon its neck," Mr. Dagan warned. Later he said that attacking Iran would
be "a stupid idea.... The regional challenge that Israel would face would
be impossible."
If one day, Iran decides to cut its cooperation with the IAEA, it
would make it easier to use such a site to make a bomb, but it's in the long
term," said Meir Javedanfar, an analyst and lecturer on Iranian issues
at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel. "In the short
term, I don't think Israel has too much to worry about because the site is
still under inspection.
In a recent interview with CNN, Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey said he
believed the Iranian regime was a "rational actor"
when it comes to the nuclear program.
Dempsey said Iran would likely weigh the ultimate costs and benefits of
building a nuclear weapon before doing so.
It appears that I have proved that you are talking through your hat. No more wars for Israel.
You used to tell us ten times a day that Israelis want war with Iran, now you tell us that they don't.
Very nice.
What about the Palestinians holocaust that is perpetrated by Israel? Largest concentration camp in the world is under Israeli control. Why don’t American Jews focus on the Palestinians holocaust? Jews are not the only people who have suffered in the world.
You're a sicko! Israel is not running any sort of concentration camp, nor murdering Palestinians, or sending suicide bombers into crowded shopping areas and buses, it is the other way around. Israelis are also not denigrating women, unlike the whole Palestinian/Muslim/terrorist system in which women are property owned by their fathers, who can trade them into marriage/sex slavery to a total stranger or close relative in exchange for a goat; and then there's the whole promise of a "gift" of 72 virgins that suicide bombers are supposed to receive in the afterlife, as their reward for murdering a large number of innocent people, they get to rape 72 women. Why in the world that would appeal to anyone is beyond me! You must be a very weak, insecure and demented man to sympathize with such a sick society.
Israel has nuclear weapons, modern stealth aircraft and untold billions in deadly weapons, supplied by the US. Is Israel ready to give up their nukes? Are we?
lalaw: What does all your rant have to do with or justify Israeli attrocites.
Stand--It's the Egyptian border with Gaza that has closed off access to food and other vital supplies, not the Israelis. The Egyptians know the Brotherhood and Hamas very well.
Israel does many good things for the Palestinians. They throw rocks in appreciation. Educate yourself--
http://www.israelupclose.org/volume_34.html#a
"Largest palestinian holocaust is under Israeli control". Are you talking about Gaza? It is under Hamas control. West Bank? They have higher standard of living than any arab country. Any other blanket statements you want to throw in?
Dude are you for real? A "holocaust"? Do you have pictures of the cattle cars loaded with Palestinians and ovens fill with burned up Arabs? How about just a few stills of the dead lined up like cords of wood. You ignorant POS. A few more like you and I hope it does become a real SS/Nazi holocaust for the poor Palestinians. The Palestinians are the bastard children of all Arab countries as NONE has ever stepped up to the plate in their behalf. Show me your numerical tattoo.
Frank; when Israel starts threatening to nuke and kill every muslim then we can talk about whether they should have them or not!!!!!
As far as us having them, we have never used them to attack anyone but Japan and that was to end WWII!!!! Why should ours even come into play!!! We are not threatening to attack Iran with our nukes but they have threatened us and all of Europe and Israel with the nukes they were trying to get under I'madickwad and now all of sudden they are not trying to get them?????
Are you people that ignorant that you would believe that lying raghead!!!!!
Garrie- Are you 10 years old? Your comments are so asinine, it is hard to believe you are an adult.
How could Iran threaten anyone with nukes it doesn't even have? Here is a veiled threat from a prominent Israeli military historian.
“Tomorrow could already be too late” and Germany
could be a “supplier to a crime”, referring to a deal sealed last month for
Berlin to sell Israel a sixth nuclear-capable Dolphin-class submarine.
There is of course no reason for Israel to have
submarines capable of delivering nuclear warheads to any target in the world –
unless of course, it needs them to attack other nations, as predicted by of the
Israeli military historian, Martin van Creveld, who in 2010 said Israel could find
itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all kinds of
weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared,” and
stressed that “Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.”
“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and
missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European
continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld
said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets
for the Israeli air force.
He reiterated “Israel’s ability to destroy the
whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.”
His statements must be comforting to Europeans. The last sentence covers Israel's plans for America, but we keep arming them to the hilt. Israel is the world's greatest threat.
Still trying to pass a writer on attention-hunt as if he speaks for the whole Israel, are we?
I know, you are about to tell us that he "has connection to IDF" as does absolutely everyone in Israel, that wont make your claim any less idiotic.
The article misspells the predecessor's name twice: it should be Ahmadinejad. Who edits these?
1 Thess 5:3 (KJV)
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them